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So long, PIPA... stocking.. something. Long live the internets

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    although it can just be barely-renamed, slightly repurposed, and shoved back out there

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    facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    Something something PIPA Longstocking.

    "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde
    Real strong, facetious.

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    EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    redfenix wrote:
    OP brought to you by the makers of such threads as

    Teefs 2

    Oh shit that was the Sniper vs Spy update

    Good times

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    KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    Hey! I made this thread a while ago! With needless sensationalism, I might add.
    Please validate me, SE++

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    Hey! I made this thread a while ago! With needless sensationalism, I might add.
    Please validate me, SE++
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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    Hey! I made this thread a while ago! With needless sensationalism, I might add.
    Please validate me, SE++

    There's no sensationalism excessive enough for this topic. Its just that important.

    Furthermore, we've only got 24 HOURS!

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    LTM wrote:
    Furthermore, we've only got 24 HOURS!

    We've only got

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHHUhcV2eVY

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    GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    I thought you guys killed SOPA yesterday

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    hi im from the internet

    i bluntly oppose all things that prevent my access to subscription and ad free television and music


    SOPA is pretty bad. Mostly because it puts the ball in the hands of people like the RIAA to go to court for injunctions and such to break sites and blacklist them based on one judge's interpretation.

    I don't know what PIPA is all about.

    What I would like is for someone from the internet to propose an alternative they can live with that doesn't entail an endless cat and mouse game of youtube uploaders evading software copyright protection mechanisms

    you know, instead of just complaining

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    Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    "Rogue websites... outside the u.s."

    They ARE trying to take away my porn! :(

    NO

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    What spring does with the cherry trees.
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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote:
    What I would like is for someone from the internet to propose an alternative they can live with that doesn't entail an endless cat and mouse game of youtube uploaders evading software copyright protection mechanisms
    Jasconius wrote:
    hi im from the internet

    Go on.

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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote:
    hi im from the internet

    i bluntly oppose all things that prevent my access to subscription and ad free television and music
    SOPA is pretty bad. Mostly because it puts the ball in the hands of people like the RIAA to go to court for injunctions and such to break sites and blacklist them based on one judge's interpretation.

    I don't know what PIPA is all about.

    What I would like is for someone from the internet to propose an alternative they can live with that doesn't entail an endless cat and mouse game of youtube uploaders evading software copyright protection mechanisms

    you know, instead of just complaining

    I almost took this bait, good job, Jasc.

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    FirmSkaterFirmSkater Registered User regular
    I wonder if anyone else will black out now that Wikipedia is joining in

    Probably not, since those other companies have to make money through ad revenue and whatnot, but it would be cool.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    I'm in favor of having courts rule against foreign sites who explicitly deal with copyright infringement.

    And companies like Youtube should be under more pressure to build a better system than "let everyone upload anything and then wait for the papers to get filed from Viacom"

    It's not impossible. The model seems to clearly exist with Vimeo, which doesn't seem to have rampant content piracy issues. Youtube doesn't have to do it though because they have more lawyers than channels and they can handle the assaults, and that five days the Jay Leno clip does make it to their site is a huge benefit for them.

    DMCA is far too weak. Someone should be able to go to a judge and say "these guys have been abusing DMCA for five years with hundreds of thousands of individual incidents, we'd like it if you issued a court order for them to cut it out under pain of financial penalty"

    that seems perfectly reasonable to me

    The assumption is made, falsely, and thanks to a lot of stupid RIAA cases, that such a law would lead to the MPAA shutting down every website on the planet. I don't think that will happen if the law is written properly and if there is ample time given to allow a site to architecturally un-fuck their service.

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    LockoutLockout I am still searching Registered User regular
    please don't call the bill PIPA, especially if you plan on writing to your congresspeople (haha yeah right)

    it's the PROTECT IP Act. there is no such thing as PIPA. PROTECT IP is an acronym already, standing for "Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property"

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    the imaginary online threats are given a pass

    for now

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    i would love to be the guy that comes up with acronyms for laws

    Speed Racer on
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    EndEnd Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    And companies like Youtube should be under more pressure to build a better system than "let everyone upload anything and then wait for the papers to get filed from Viacom"

    youtube does, actually

    but you still have to tell youtube about your content

    It's not really possible to do otherwise. Youtube can't just know content without being told about the ownership in some way.

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    I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    "Rogue websites... outside the u.s."

    They ARE trying to take away my porn! :(

    NO

    Oh god I missed you

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    End wrote:
    Jasconius wrote: »
    And companies like Youtube should be under more pressure to build a better system than "let everyone upload anything and then wait for the papers to get filed from Viacom"

    youtube does, actually

    but you still have to tell youtube about your content

    It's not really possible to do otherwise. Youtube can't just know content without being told about the ownership in some way.

    How does Vimeo know their content?

    Does youtube take legal action against users who habitually try to evade the content ID systems (read: not just deactivating the account)?

    Do they provide information to content owners about people who habitually try to defraud the detection systems so THEY can take legal action?

    Nobody is saying that Youtube doesn't try to deal with the problem, but they do make money on it even when they fail, and that's where the content people start to get upset, and that's the basis of their case. The point is that Youtube wins whether or not they succeed internally at upholding DMCA, mostly because DMCA was written in what might as well be the stone age. The DMCA safe harbor has no monetary threshold. This is basically insane.

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    skettiosskettios Enchanted ForestRegistered User regular
    gonna be so sad without cute animal pictures tomorrow :(
    will have to save some to look at throughout the day

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    skettios wrote:
    gonna be so sad without cute animal pictures tomorrow :(
    will have to save some to look at throughout the day

    http://animalswithstuffedanimals.com/

    http://www.zooborns.com/zooborns/

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
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    “It’s probably closer to the 15 percent rate than anything,” Mr. Romney said. “Because my last 10 years, I’ve — my income comes overwhelmingly from investments made in the past, rather than ordinary income, or rather than earned annual income.”

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    PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
    Let the media organizations crumble against the might of piracy. It's funny.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Pharezon wrote:
    Let the media organizations crumble against the might of piracy. It's funny.

    ugh

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    2 Marcus 2 Ravens2 Marcus 2 Ravens CanadaRegistered User regular
    Rolo wrote:
    Pharezon wrote:
    Let the media organizations crumble against the might of piracy. It's funny.

    ugh

    Yeah, this isn't serious, is it?

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    PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Rolo wrote:
    Pharezon wrote:
    Let the media organizations crumble against the might of piracy. It's funny.

    ugh

    Yeah, this isn't serious, is it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuR_ALpzG9s&feature=related

    Pharezon on
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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    omg beagle wearing a horse mask

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    KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    Rolo, I thought you thought SOPA was no big deal? What's up with the flip-flopping, you flip-flopper? Don't you Canadian fellows know that once you make your mind up, you have to stick to your guns, no matter how terribly misinformed or wrong your opinion is?

    Didn't you learn anything from us 'murricas?

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Rolo, I thought you thought SOPA was no big deal? What's up with the flip-flopping, you flip-flopper? Don't you Canadian fellows know that once you make your mind up, you have to stick to your guns, no matter how terribly misinformed or wrong your opinion is?

    Didn't you learn anything from us 'murricas?

    Like Americans know anything about staying consistent.

    Germany practically invented it.

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    LednehLedneh shinesquawk Registered User regular
    holy moly at 3d :suicide:

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    pharezon you edited it out so my post doesn't make sense

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    CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    I guess you should have quoted it then, huh

    Do not have a cow, mortal.

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Rolo, I thought you thought SOPA was no big deal? What's up with the flip-flopping, you flip-flopper? Don't you Canadian fellows know that once you make your mind up, you have to stick to your guns, no matter how terribly misinformed or wrong your opinion is?

    Didn't you learn anything from us 'murricas?

    Canadians can't stick to their guns because they don't have guns, duh.

    BLM - ACAB
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    fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote:
    End wrote:
    Jasconius wrote: »
    And companies like Youtube should be under more pressure to build a better system than "let everyone upload anything and then wait for the papers to get filed from Viacom"

    youtube does, actually

    but you still have to tell youtube about your content

    It's not really possible to do otherwise. Youtube can't just know content without being told about the ownership in some way.

    How does Vimeo know their content?

    Does youtube take legal action against users who habitually try to evade the content ID systems (read: not just deactivating the account)?

    Do they provide information to content owners about people who habitually try to defraud the detection systems so THEY can take legal action?

    Nobody is saying that Youtube doesn't try to deal with the problem, but they do make money on it even when they fail, and that's where the content people start to get upset, and that's the basis of their case. The point is that Youtube wins whether or not they succeed internally at upholding DMCA, mostly because DMCA was written in what might as well be the stone age. The DMCA safe harbor has no monetary threshold. This is basically insane.

    Vimeo doesn't have the userbase that Youtube has. it is far, far easier for them to patrol 900,000 users, not all of whom are active, versus the brazillian users on Youtube. put another way, Vimeo ain't popular and has an alexa rank of like 100, where Youtube is stupid popular with a rank of 3. Vimeo's staff can more actively police a lower number of submissions. it's not tech.

    the basis of the content providers argument is that they can't control ALL PIRACY EVER on the internet? face it, if youtube was not making revenue on share videos, someone out there is. the content providers aren't just dealing with copyright violations, they are competing with convenience and price in an environment where they have little control. the only solution they see that won't utterly reform the way they do business is to grab control of the internet and strangle it through government puppets.

    i'm not a person that says piracy is fine. it's not. but neither is the government being bribed into propping up a static and dying business model. the file sharing and media sharing genies are out of the bottle, for good or ill, along with the sheer convenience and low price that come with them. old media needs to either adjust and evolve or go extinct.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    I guess you should have quoted it then, huh

    I didn't quote him, boy

    he ain't said shit

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    KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote:
    Rolo, I thought you thought SOPA was no big deal? What's up with the flip-flopping, you flip-flopper? Don't you Canadian fellows know that once you make your mind up, you have to stick to your guns, no matter how terribly misinformed or wrong your opinion is?

    Didn't you learn anything from us 'murricas?

    Like Americans know anything about staying consistent.

    Germany practically invented it.

    Pshhh. In the Midwest, everybody has German ancestry.

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    Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    So why are extra measures against piracy needed right now? I'm not saying they aren't, just why that is.

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    RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    The Geek wrote:
    Rolo, I thought you thought SOPA was no big deal? What's up with the flip-flopping, you flip-flopper? Don't you Canadian fellows know that once you make your mind up, you have to stick to your guns, no matter how terribly misinformed or wrong your opinion is?

    Didn't you learn anything from us 'murricas?

    Canadians can't stick to their guns because they don't have guns, duh.

    Didn't you live in Alberta for a while? We have lots of guns, just not handguns, and you can't carry them around with you all the time.

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    SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    Vimeo doesn't have the userbase that Youtube has. it is far, far easier for them to patrol 900,000 users, not all of whom are active, versus the brazillian users on Youtube. put another way, Vimeo ain't popular and has an alexa rank of like 100, where Youtube is stupid popular with a rank of 3. Vimeo's staff can more actively police a lower number of submissions. it's not tech.

    Those damn Brazilians ruin EVERYTHING!

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