Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Well Taky, I'm glad you feel the way I do.
The genophage/krogan endgame? Seriously, that decision had me reeling so much that I had to go take a shower afterwards because
I could not take having to shoot Mordin in my back and watching him writhe out and die like that.
The Quarian/Geth resolution was extremely touching.
I was enjoying it all right up until
Through the magic of spacetime, I can see that it was the moment you described, right before you go into the Catalyst.
And I just thought to myself
How the fuck did the Illusive man get into the gat damn Citadel before me in the first fucking place?
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
all of that stuff coming together, Conrad having convenient studies, the matriarch writings, the elkhoss license and finally Jenna.
You are now a Golden God.
Would you mind going over that stuff? I fixed the medi gel dispensers but then Verner came out of nowhere and I was kind of confused
Yeah, same here. I'm assuming that was a bug?
Some random doctor says "FIX. MY. MEDIGEL! I do it, and then suddenly Verner comes in like I had gotten a mission from him and dives in front of a 'bullet'
Totally a bug.
If Verner is present, you're supposed to have to talk to him before you can fix the medigel dispensers. If he's not, you can just go fix them. Unless there's a fucking bug.
In re that character:
He is proud of the work he did on Illium with the orphans.
His marital status is clarified.
He has opinions about Investigate hubs.
He doubts the efficacy of thermal clips.
Aw, that's a bummer. On both playthroughs now I've just fixed the dispensers without talking to him.
I also don't even know what happened with the Matriarch writings and the Elkhoss thing
One thing that scared the crap out of me
Priority: Thessia
The only Banshee with an actual name.
Morinth.
Whoa WHAT?
There's no way that could happen unless you fucked up Samara's loyalty mission/went for its alternate ending.
Well yes i had a renegade Shep
I forget exactly where she popped up during the mission but at the time i was just yelling "Oh shit oh shit oh shit" back-pedaling and throwing warps as fast as possibly could
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Though I guess there is some great irony in
Ending spoilers:
Having a game series that is so precariously built on choice such that what minor shit you do in game one effects shit in game 3 half a decade later, and having all sorts of multiple scenarios be able to play out based on who lived or who died. An entire race might become warlike or passive, a centuries old feud may be resolved...
And have it all end by saying "None of those choices matter, everyone is stranded."
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Oh, fun Easter Egg spoiler: (warning, Easter Egg may contain poison) (recommend avoiding unless you're past Priority: Thessia)
So, Joker after Thessia, having the ambient with Liara?
You learn that his sister Hilary is on Tiptree, and he's trying to find out if she got out.
Then you hear the PTSD Asari's story, about what happened on Tiptree, and how she, by implication, killed that farm-girl so that the banshee wouldn't find her by the noise of the farm girl crying?
The farm-girl who "wanted to be a pilot when she grew up" and who PTSD Asari slips up exactly once and calls Hilary.
Yep.
How do you feel now about authorizing a gun for her?
I am about to go into the final mission. If the ending should prove so terrible that it utterly discolors my perception of the entire series, I wish it be known that Mass Effect 3 up till now has been a beautiful and emotional experience.
Oh, fun Easter Egg spoiler: (warning, Easter Egg may contain poison) (recommend avoiding unless you're past Priority: Thessia)
So, Joker after Thessia, having the ambient with Liara?
You learn that his sister Hilary is on Tiptree, and he's trying to find out if she got out.
Then you hear the PTSD Asari's story, about what happened on Tiptree, and how she, by implication, killed that farm-girl so that the banshee wouldn't find her by the noise of the farm girl crying?
The farm-girl who "wanted to be a pilot when she grew up" and who PTSD Asari slips up exactly once and calls Hilary.
Yep.
How do you feel now about authorizing a gun for her?
Holy shit.
combine that with the fact that he almost certainly lost his dad too and, welp
Having a game series that is so precariously built on choice such that what minor shit you do in game one effects shit in game 3 half a decade later, and having all sorts of multiple scenarios be able to play out based on who lived or who died. An entire race might become warlike or passive, a centuries old feud may be resolved...
And have it all end by saying "None of those choices matter, everyone is stranded."
Well, Tuchanka wasn't really touched by the Reapers that much, and there are likely many surviving Krogan on Earth. I don't think it's going to spell the doom for any species, but it is going to intermingle them.
What the fuck. I've been staring at my screen for the last ten minutes trying to decide.
Priority:Rannoch
What the hell to do with Legion and making more smartgeth. It doesn't help that with subtitles on I get "Does this unit have a soul?" right in my face while I try to think. I've done everything I can in all the games to back Tali and the quarians because she is an OG spacebro from back in the days when it was just her, Garrus, and me making things happen. But Legion is a) pretty much right to ask whether they deserve death for defending themselves when fired on and b) a fantastic example of how this could all go so so well. At least with the Genophage I knew the salarian lady was a complete bitch about it.
Thanks Taky, Bioware, Obama, for making me have to go get a drink and really think about my virtual actions.
Continuing that same spoiler re:Rannoch.
Welp, I managed to broker a peace between the Quarians and true-AI Geth but Legion somehow died spreading the code? I don't get that part at all. Just a "oh hey I need to zip into the consensus or something real quick to spread this along" and than the Prime just drops the bomb that somehow that was a sacrifice of Legion. Dammit no more dead crew! Please just tell me their isn't a way to save him and still get the full on upgraded Geth at peace with everyone?
I thought it was quite clear.
The reaper code was so integrated into him that it couldn't be duplicated remotely. So he had to return to the consensus where his programming would be broken down so that the full code could then be copied effectively into the rest of the geth.
The consequences of that seemed very obvious, as well.
I'm honestly not sure where you got confused.
That whole scene, overall, was so damned bittersweet. It broke my heart to see Legion sacrifice himself, especially since he had just demonstrated that he had become a complete person, not just a collective mentality.
That, combined with the Quarians finally getting to come home... I teared up pretty bad right there.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Having a game series that is so precariously built on choice such that what minor shit you do in game one effects shit in game 3 half a decade later, and having all sorts of multiple scenarios be able to play out based on who lived or who died. An entire race might become warlike or passive, a centuries old feud may be resolved...
And have it all end by saying "None of those choices matter, everyone is stranded."
Well, Tuchanka wasn't really touched by the Reapers that much, and there are likely many surviving Krogan on Earth. I don't think it's going to spell the doom for any species, but it is going to intermingle them.
The entire galactic military was at Earth. Wrex was at Earth.
Wait a fucking minute, I just realized that.
Fuck it all, Wrex was at Earth.
Krogan are warlike cretins no matter what you do.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
basically instead of talking about the ending now, we should talk about how awkward this Jacob shit is.
Good. I didn't write that, either. You guys go to town there.
Actually more than anything did someone not realize choosing a black guy for that scenario seemed uh a bit racist? I mean it easily could have been kaiden or Garrus. It just seemed forced
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
And what I mean, in case it wasn't clear (ending spoilers)
Is that even with the genophage cured and assuming the Krogan can get to a habitable planet without mass effect relays, that they don't have Wrex there to lead them since he is stranded at Earth.
Earth also doesn't have any hospitable planets within FTL travel distance in under a hundred years.
It pretty much spells doom for all the individuals who got stuck there, and it means all the races spanning across the galaxy are now completely isolated.
I don't even understand what was happening with the Normandy at the end there, maybe someone can explain that to me.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
basically instead of talking about the ending now, we should talk about how awkward this Jacob shit is.
Good. I didn't write that, either. You guys go to town there.
Actually more than anything did someone not realize choosing a black guy for that scenario seemed uh a bit racist? I mean it easily could have been kaiden or Garrus. It just seemed forced
That isn't even a conflict of interest unless you're femshep and also romanced him. Furthermore, that isn't racist. Pointing the racism finger at a situation because it involves a black dude, however, is.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Sorry if I am retreading old ground but I have been playing this damned game all week in my waning stamina and pain and gat dammit I am going to talk about it.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
And what I mean, in case it wasn't clear (ending spoilers)
Is that even with the genophage cured and assuming the Krogan can get to a habitable planet without mass effect relays, that they don't have Wrex there to lead them since he is stranded at Earth.
Earth also doesn't have any hospitable planets within FTL travel distance in under a hundred years.
It pretty much spells doom for all the individuals who got stuck there, and it means all the races spanning across the galaxy are now completely isolated.
I don't even understand what was happening with the Normandy at the end there, maybe someone can explain that to me.
Pretty sure Joker was already in another system, trying to outrun the crucible beam thingy.
By the time it caught up to the normandy, they were god knows where, and they crashed landed on some tropical planet.
If you were hoping an explanation would make it seem more fitting, I am sorry to disappoint you.
It's too simple to say that I hate it or think it totally fails.
I think that it requires a certain mIndset in order to work. Some people here like the ending and HAVE that mindset.
But for a lot of people, it doesn't work. It doesn't resonate emotionally, and they infer things that undermine the intent of the ending.
The best writing doesn't require a very particular mindset in order to appreciate it. If you're emotionally invested in the characters, you've completely bought in. If you're experiencing the scene on an intellectual level, you're intrigued and feeling smart enough to engage with it. And if you're just looking for something flashy, it packs a big cinematic punch and looks cool.
And I wish we had had that. It wouldn't have been that hard.
And what I mean, in case it wasn't clear (ending spoilers)
Is that even with the genophage cured and assuming the Krogan can get to a habitable planet without mass effect relays, that they don't have Wrex there to lead them since he is stranded at Earth.
Earth also doesn't have any hospitable planets within FTL travel distance in under a hundred years.
It pretty much spells doom for all the individuals who got stuck there, and it means all the races spanning across the galaxy are now completely isolated.
I don't even understand what was happening with the Normandy at the end there, maybe someone can explain that to me.
Pretty sure Joker was already in another system, trying to outrun the crucible beam thingy.
By the time it caught up to the normandy, they were god knows where, and they crashed landed on some tropical planet.
If you were hoping an explanation would make it seem more fitting, I am sorry to disappoint you.
But, the last time we saw the Normandy it was with the fight on and above Earth.
And also people have experienced the continuity error where they brought someone like Garrus or Liara with them on the final mission, they died running to the beacon, but then still appear in the tropical planet epilogue.
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ButtlordFornicusLord of Bondage and PainRegistered Userregular
It's too simple to say that I hate it or think it totally fails.
I think that it requires a certain mIndset in order to work. Some people here like the ending and HAVE that mindset.
But for a lot of people, it doesn't work. It doesn't resonate emotionally, and they infer things that undermine the intent of the ending.
The best writing doesn't require a very particular mindset in order to appreciate it. If you're emotionally invested in the characters, you've completely bought in. If you're experiencing the scene on an intellectual level, you're intrigued and feeling smart enough to engage with it. And if you're just looking for something flashy, it packs a big cinematic punch and looks cool.
And I wish we had had that. It wouldn't have been that hard.
I think the problem a LOT of people have with the ending is literally the last little bit
The common vibe I'm getting, someone correct me if I'm wrong, is that everything up to the Catalyst is cool, but that last convo and the cinematic are balls
So I guess my question to you, since my opinion is documented a couple times
Is what would you do INSTEAD of the Catalyst talk, hypothetically
Let's pretend that everything up to when Anderson dies and Hackett calls and Shep bleeds out stay because I haven't seen anybody complain about that yet
I thought just about everything up until the last 5 minutes was insanely good. Fighting on the streets of Earth was incredibly tense. I savored every moment of my final goodbyes to my squad. The rush to the beam, ensuing struggle to keep going through the Citadel, and finally meeting the Illusive Man face-to-face were some of the most engrossing moments in entertainment I've experienced in a long, long time.
And then the dead kid showed up again.
I did not hate the ending. I just see it as so much wasted potential. It should have gone on for about 10 more minutes, to at least establish what the universe is like now. What the hell happened to all my best friends? Everyone is green and glowy now oh and also the focal point of modern civilization is gone. It's kind of an area that needs a little delving into.
Taking this into account, I still fucking loved Mass Effect 3. It had to be this way. Someone else might have gotten it wrong.
basically instead of talking about the ending now, we should talk about how awkward this Jacob shit is.
Good. I didn't write that, either. You guys go to town there.
Actually more than anything did someone not realize choosing a black guy for that scenario seemed uh a bit racist? I mean it easily could have been kaiden or Garrus. It just seemed forced
That isn't even a conflict of interest unless you're femshep and also romanced him. Furthermore, that isn't racist. Pointing the racism finger at a situation because it involves a black dude, however, is.
Frankly it doesn't mesh with Jacobs character especially if you do his Loyalty mission. The guy would not cheat on someone he cared about. I didn't romance him but the whole video was a bit to Maury Povich for a guy like Jacob. It's a moot point I suppose since there's only Four Male love interests all four of which can not exist in three it just seems weird they chose Jacob since Kaiden even admits to dating other people and Garrus gets all the krogan ladies
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I am more upset over the fact that
Ending spoilers again
it seems to undermine all the decisions I had thusfar made than the fact that it was so sparse.
And the fact that by all accounts, all three endings were exactly the goddamn same. Except for the shiny bits on technoJoker's arm.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
And what I mean, in case it wasn't clear (ending spoilers)
Is that even with the genophage cured and assuming the Krogan can get to a habitable planet without mass effect relays, that they don't have Wrex there to lead them since he is stranded at Earth.
Earth also doesn't have any hospitable planets within FTL travel distance in under a hundred years.
It pretty much spells doom for all the individuals who got stuck there, and it means all the races spanning across the galaxy are now completely isolated.
I don't even understand what was happening with the Normandy at the end there, maybe someone can explain that to me.
Pretty sure Joker was already in another system, trying to outrun the crucible beam thingy.
By the time it caught up to the normandy, they were god knows where, and they crashed landed on some tropical planet.
If you were hoping an explanation would make it seem more fitting, I am sorry to disappoint you.
I think the questionable part is why was the Normandy not at earth? Last we saw it was part of the fight. It dropped us off on earth. Then it... Ran away? It is pretty questionable where the Normandy was and why it is there.
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ButtlordFornicusLord of Bondage and PainRegistered Userregular
basically instead of talking about the ending now, we should talk about how awkward this Jacob shit is.
Good. I didn't write that, either. You guys go to town there.
Actually more than anything did someone not realize choosing a black guy for that scenario seemed uh a bit racist? I mean it easily could have been kaiden or Garrus. It just seemed forced
That isn't even a conflict of interest unless you're femshep and also romanced him. Furthermore, that isn't racist. Pointing the racism finger at a situation because it involves a black dude, however, is.
basically instead of talking about the ending now, we should talk about how awkward this Jacob shit is.
Good. I didn't write that, either. You guys go to town there.
Actually more than anything did someone not realize choosing a black guy for that scenario seemed uh a bit racist? I mean it easily could have been kaiden or Garrus. It just seemed forced
That isn't even a conflict of interest unless you're femshep and also romanced him. Furthermore, that isn't racist. Pointing the racism finger at a situation because it involves a black dude, however, is.
Only by the most idiotic definition of that word
Man buttlord you gettin' way too quick to jump down throats in this thread
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ButtlordFornicusLord of Bondage and PainRegistered Userregular
basically instead of talking about the ending now, we should talk about how awkward this Jacob shit is.
Good. I didn't write that, either. You guys go to town there.
Actually more than anything did someone not realize choosing a black guy for that scenario seemed uh a bit racist? I mean it easily could have been kaiden or Garrus. It just seemed forced
That isn't even a conflict of interest unless you're femshep and also romanced him. Furthermore, that isn't racist. Pointing the racism finger at a situation because it involves a black dude, however, is.
Only by the most idiotic definition of that word
Man buttlord you gettin' way too quick to jump down throats in this thread
Saying "Man that seems a little racist" is not racism
Sorry, pointing out racism (or at least what might appear to be racism to someone, or asking about it" is not racism
Aint trying to jump down a throat but Jesus that is just stupid and comes off like "no it's you who's the REAL racist" and ugh
Just ugh
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basically instead of talking about the ending now, we should talk about how awkward this Jacob shit is.
Good. I didn't write that, either. You guys go to town there.
Actually more than anything did someone not realize choosing a black guy for that scenario seemed uh a bit racist? I mean it easily could have been kaiden or Garrus. It just seemed forced
That isn't even a conflict of interest unless you're femshep and also romanced him. Furthermore, that isn't racist. Pointing the racism finger at a situation because it involves a black dude, however, is.
Only by the most idiotic definition of that word
Man buttlord you gettin' way too quick to jump down throats in this thread
Saying "Man that seems a little racist" is not racism
Sorry, pointing out racism (or at least what might appear to be racism to someone, or asking about it" is not racism
Aint trying to jump down a throat but Jesus that is just stupid and comes off like "no it's you who's the REAL racist" and ugh
Just ugh
Yeah but you've thrown around a lot of "fuck you" and "that's fucking stupid" even in just people talking about their opinions on the ending just because they don't think the same way as you about it
basically instead of talking about the ending now, we should talk about how awkward this Jacob shit is.
Good. I didn't write that, either. You guys go to town there.
Actually more than anything did someone not realize choosing a black guy for that scenario seemed uh a bit racist? I mean it easily could have been kaiden or Garrus. It just seemed forced
That isn't even a conflict of interest unless you're femshep and also romanced him. Furthermore, that isn't racist. Pointing the racism finger at a situation because it involves a black dude, however, is.
Only by the most idiotic definition of that word
Man buttlord you gettin' way too quick to jump down throats in this thread
Saying "Man that seems a little racist" is not racism
Sorry, pointing out racism (or at least what might appear to be racism to someone, or asking about it" is not racism
Aint trying to jump down a throat but Jesus that is just stupid and comes off like "no it's you who's the REAL racist" and ugh
Just ugh
Yeah but you've thrown around a lot of "fuck you" and "that's fucking stupid" even in just people talking about their opinions on the ending just because they don't think the same way as you about it
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The genophage/krogan endgame? Seriously, that decision had me reeling so much that I had to go take a shower afterwards because
The Quarian/Geth resolution was extremely touching.
I was enjoying it all right up until
And I just thought to myself
I also don't even know what happened with the Matriarch writings and the Elkhoss thing
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Well yes i had a renegade Shep
Ending spoilers:
And have it all end by saying "None of those choices matter, everyone is stranded."
Holy shit.
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The reaper code was so integrated into him that it couldn't be duplicated remotely. So he had to return to the consensus where his programming would be broken down so that the full code could then be copied effectively into the rest of the geth.
The consequences of that seemed very obvious, as well.
I'm honestly not sure where you got confused.
That whole scene, overall, was so damned bittersweet. It broke my heart to see Legion sacrifice himself, especially since he had just demonstrated that he had become a complete person, not just a collective mentality.
That, combined with the Quarians finally getting to come home... I teared up pretty bad right there.
Wait a fucking minute, I just realized that.
Fuck it all, Wrex was at Earth.
Krogan are warlike cretins no matter what you do.
Earth also doesn't have any hospitable planets within FTL travel distance in under a hundred years.
It pretty much spells doom for all the individuals who got stuck there, and it means all the races spanning across the galaxy are now completely isolated.
I don't even understand what was happening with the Normandy at the end there, maybe someone can explain that to me.
By the time it caught up to the normandy, they were god knows where, and they crashed landed on some tropical planet.
If you were hoping an explanation would make it seem more fitting, I am sorry to disappoint you.
They explain that with the DLC weapon's lore actually.
I didn't look at it too closely, but it's like...seven paragraphs long.
I'm good with show nothing
Especially because the lens we see this world thorugh, Shep, is dead now
I think that it requires a certain mIndset in order to work. Some people here like the ending and HAVE that mindset.
But for a lot of people, it doesn't work. It doesn't resonate emotionally, and they infer things that undermine the intent of the ending.
The best writing doesn't require a very particular mindset in order to appreciate it. If you're emotionally invested in the characters, you've completely bought in. If you're experiencing the scene on an intellectual level, you're intrigued and feeling smart enough to engage with it. And if you're just looking for something flashy, it packs a big cinematic punch and looks cool.
And I wish we had had that. It wouldn't have been that hard.
And also people have experienced the continuity error where they brought someone like Garrus or Liara with them on the final mission, they died running to the beacon, but then still appear in the tropical planet epilogue.
I think the problem a LOT of people have with the ending is literally the last little bit
So I guess my question to you, since my opinion is documented a couple times
Is what would you do INSTEAD of the Catalyst talk, hypothetically
Let's pretend that everything up to when Anderson dies and Hackett calls and Shep bleeds out stay because I haven't seen anybody complain about that yet
And then the dead kid showed up again.
I did not hate the ending. I just see it as so much wasted potential. It should have gone on for about 10 more minutes, to at least establish what the universe is like now. What the hell happened to all my best friends? Everyone is green and glowy now oh and also the focal point of modern civilization is gone. It's kind of an area that needs a little delving into.
Taking this into account, I still fucking loved Mass Effect 3. It had to be this way. Someone else might have gotten it wrong.
Ending spoilers again
And the fact that by all accounts, all three endings were exactly the goddamn same. Except for the shiny bits on technoJoker's arm.
Only by the most idiotic definition of that word
oh I didn't read the Codex
I just thought it could make a funny joke
Man buttlord you gettin' way too quick to jump down throats in this thread
Saying "Man that seems a little racist" is not racism
Sorry, pointing out racism (or at least what might appear to be racism to someone, or asking about it" is not racism
Aint trying to jump down a throat but Jesus that is just stupid and comes off like "no it's you who's the REAL racist" and ugh
Just ugh
Yeah but you've thrown around a lot of "fuck you" and "that's fucking stupid" even in just people talking about their opinions on the ending just because they don't think the same way as you about it
So I'm just sayin'
Chill out a bit man! Chilllllll
No need for such language
what's racist about jacob
did I miss something
Yeah you're right
I'm just a ball of burning rage
Kinda like every bad anime power-up ever