Morning phallakinetic, so looks like there's a murder bot floating around. I feel like keeping him around at least one day will be amusing just for the narrative alone. Also if someone can remind who was all beta team last time around, I'd like to invent my own optional win condition of keeping them alive based on how badly that went for us.
Voting munkus out is dumb and not fun. it is more fun to work around a force of nature than to remove it completely.
I would have so much fun not dying today.
Is the vote killing the same time as powers?
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
wiet
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
Roman, why wouldn't I be excited?
1) Helps work day go by WAY quicker
2) I get to see if people end up being aligned the way I think they are
3) It's like being part of a soap opera
4) THERE IS A GODDAMN MURDERBOT
5) Let's be friends! 8->
Voting munkus out is dumb and not fun. it is more fun to work around a force of nature than to remove it completely.
Yeah... no. Murderbot doesn't want the game to end until he's racked up enough kills. Guess who he isn't going to be hitting for a while? That's right, the mafia! Because when they go, it's game over and murderbot needs his lead. So, all those people wanting to cede control to murderbot, who will work with two factions (but really mafia + switching between outsiders & chaotic). Well, guess what factions they are likely belonging to
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Voting munkus out is dumb and not fun. it is more fun to work around a force of nature than to remove it completely.
Yeah... no. Murderbot doesn't want the game to end until he's racked up enough kills. Guess who he isn't going to be hitting for a while? That's right, the mafia! Because when they go, it's game over and murderbot needs his lead. So, all those people wanting to cede control to murderbot, who will work with two factions (but really mafia + switching between outsiders & chaotic). Well, guess what factions they are likely belonging to
MURDERBOT SIMPLY NEEDS TO HAVE THE MOST KILLS. THE GAME ONLY ENDS IF THE MAFIA HITS ITS WIN CONDITION. THE GAME KEEPS GOING AS LONG AS THERE ARE FACTIONS IN PLAY.
IT'S OK, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MURDER.
YOU WILL SOON.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
The only reason that I would say not to kill murderbot is that if we manage to kill confirm him then he becomes a known quantity, and since narration tends to display when someone has been killed by stompy robot we can monitor which team, exactly, he seems to be killing. Murderbot knows that the village are the only people who can kill him, so why don't we force him to work for the village?
I would rather kill for information initially. Looking at the voting records of who voted/didn't vote for murderbot won't tell us much.
That said, Wiet until I can be convinced that murderbot needs to become murderedbot.
Munkus because a large amount of deaths is kind of counterproductive for me, and I'd probably be one of his targets eventually. There are probably tons of other characters who are just as fun. And choosing Rend as his first target is just plain evil.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
LET'S GET DOWN TO THE METALLURGICALLY INSIGNIFICANT BRASS TACKS.
SOME LIKE THE MURDERBOT SENSE OF HUMOR. SOME DO NOT.
IF YOU WANT TO CANCEL THE MURDERBOT REUNION TOUR, VOTE MUNKUS.
IF YOU WANT TO BUY A TICKET TO THE MURDERBOT STAND-UP, SHOOT-DOWN, BURY-SHALLOW SPECIAL VOTE WIET
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Right... I keep forgetting that murderbot is not literate
When the Cultist Armada is eliminated, or if they meet their goal, the game ends for everybody.
WELL, I WAS REFERING MAINLY TO THIS:
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Outsider sub-faction.
OR
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Chaotic sub-faction.
FUN FACT: THE FACTION THAT WILL GET THE MOST KILLS OFF THE BAT?
THE CULTISTS.
THEY NEED TO BE CULLED QUICKLY SO MURDERBOT CAN GET THE HIGH SCORE.
IT SEEMS TO MURDERBOT THAT THE CULTISTS WOULD BE THE MOST AFRAID OF MURDERBOT.
THAT THIS IS THEIR ONE CHANCE TO STOP MURDERBOT.
THEY ARE NOT WRONG.
Yup, that just means the village can lose! You're referring to a win condition not the end-of-game condition. Those are different.
Also, when the mafia all dies, the game's over. There's a good chance that, so as to avoid crippling the mafia, mafia kills are not heavily tied to numbers. So, they'll likely get the most kills anyway, it just depends on who hits the most defenses. Yet, there's still no reason for you to target people who you think are the mafia, at least not for a while. As the game goes on, all factions lose killing power, the mafia just loses less. You ideally want to drag the game out as long as possible by carefully keeping all factions alive, because you don't lose killing power, you likely win in the long haul. But, it's in the best interests of the faction you're most likely to hit (ie, the village) to take you out now, before you kill a bunch of us.
Our population has taken enough battering without a murder bot joining in
If we assume he fires off at random (No previous allegiance), then there is a higher chance he'll hit a villager, because there are more of us
By this logic, vigs shouldn't use their ability day 1...
A village vig is trying to avoid specials and hit mafia. Murderbot is trying to avoid mafia for now and hit specials, because that helps him win. He's a SK variant, effectively
Our population has taken enough battering without a murder bot joining in
If we assume he fires off at random (No previous allegiance), then there is a higher chance he'll hit a villager, because there are more of us
By this logic, vigs shouldn't use their ability day 1...
Vigs are actively trying to miss villagers, so assuming they do some talking or something they're at least trying to stack the odds in favour of not nailing a good guy
But yea if the vig is literally just rolling an RNG then they shouldn't use their kill
Right... I keep forgetting that murderbot is not literate
When the Cultist Armada is eliminated, or if they meet their goal, the game ends for everybody.
WELL, I WAS REFERING MAINLY TO THIS:
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Outsider sub-faction.
OR
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Chaotic sub-faction.
FUN FACT: THE FACTION THAT WILL GET THE MOST KILLS OFF THE BAT?
THE CULTISTS.
THEY NEED TO BE CULLED QUICKLY SO MURDERBOT CAN GET THE HIGH SCORE.
IT SEEMS TO MURDERBOT THAT THE CULTISTS WOULD BE THE MOST AFRAID OF MURDERBOT.
THAT THIS IS THEIR ONE CHANCE TO STOP MURDERBOT.
THEY ARE NOT WRONG.
Yup, that just means the village can lose! You're referring to a win condition not the end-of-game condition. Those are different.
Also, when the mafia all dies, the game's over. There's a good chance that, so as to avoid crippling the mafia, mafia kills are not heavily tied to numbers. So, they'll likely get the most kills anyway, it just depends on who hits the most defenses. Yet, there's still no reason for you to target people who you think are the mafia, at least not for a while. As the game goes on, all factions lose killing power, the mafia just loses less. You ideally want to drag the game out as long as possible by carefully keeping all factions alive, because you don't lose killing power, you likely win in the long haul. But, it's in the best interests of the faction you're most likely to hit (ie, the village) to take you out now, before you kill a bunch of us.
Where did you get this end-of-game condition? If this is true then the village can only win if we kill a subfaction, and then the cultists. This seems highly unlikely.
Our population has taken enough battering without a murder bot joining in
If we assume he fires off at random (No previous allegiance), then there is a higher chance he'll hit a villager, because there are more of us
By this logic, vigs shouldn't use their ability day 1...
Vigs are actively trying to miss villagers, so assuming they do some talking or something they're at least trying to stack the odds in favour of not nailing a good guy
But yea if the vig is literally just rolling an RNG then they shouldn't use their kill
I'm pretty sure someone did the math that vigs should use their ability day 1 even without any information. I could be wrong, of course.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Right... I keep forgetting that murderbot is not literate
When the Cultist Armada is eliminated, or if they meet their goal, the game ends for everybody.
WELL, I WAS REFERING MAINLY TO THIS:
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Outsider sub-faction.
OR
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Chaotic sub-faction.
FUN FACT: THE FACTION THAT WILL GET THE MOST KILLS OFF THE BAT?
THE CULTISTS.
THEY NEED TO BE CULLED QUICKLY SO MURDERBOT CAN GET THE HIGH SCORE.
IT SEEMS TO MURDERBOT THAT THE CULTISTS WOULD BE THE MOST AFRAID OF MURDERBOT.
THAT THIS IS THEIR ONE CHANCE TO STOP MURDERBOT.
THEY ARE NOT WRONG.
Yup, that just means the village can lose! You're referring to a win condition not the end-of-game condition. Those are different.
Also, when the mafia all dies, the game's over. There's a good chance that, so as to avoid crippling the mafia, mafia kills are not heavily tied to numbers. So, they'll likely get the most kills anyway, it just depends on who hits the most defenses. Yet, there's still no reason for you to target people who you think are the mafia, at least not for a while. As the game goes on, all factions lose killing power, the mafia just loses less. You ideally want to drag the game out as long as possible by carefully keeping all factions alive, because you don't lose killing power, you likely win in the long haul. But, it's in the best interests of the faction you're most likely to hit (ie, the village) to take you out now, before you kill a bunch of us.
CONSIDERING THAT MY PM MENTIONED THAT THE ARMADA WAS THE DEADLIEST FACTION AND INDIVIDUAL MAFIA MEMBERS ALWAYS HAVE SPECIAL POWERS IN THESE GAMES...
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Right... I keep forgetting that murderbot is not literate
When the Cultist Armada is eliminated, or if they meet their goal, the game ends for everybody.
WELL, I WAS REFERING MAINLY TO THIS:
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Outsider sub-faction.
OR
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Chaotic sub-faction.
FUN FACT: THE FACTION THAT WILL GET THE MOST KILLS OFF THE BAT?
THE CULTISTS.
THEY NEED TO BE CULLED QUICKLY SO MURDERBOT CAN GET THE HIGH SCORE.
IT SEEMS TO MURDERBOT THAT THE CULTISTS WOULD BE THE MOST AFRAID OF MURDERBOT.
THAT THIS IS THEIR ONE CHANCE TO STOP MURDERBOT.
THEY ARE NOT WRONG.
Yup, that just means the village can lose! You're referring to a win condition not the end-of-game condition. Those are different.
Also, when the mafia all dies, the game's over. There's a good chance that, so as to avoid crippling the mafia, mafia kills are not heavily tied to numbers. So, they'll likely get the most kills anyway, it just depends on who hits the most defenses. Yet, there's still no reason for you to target people who you think are the mafia, at least not for a while. As the game goes on, all factions lose killing power, the mafia just loses less. You ideally want to drag the game out as long as possible by carefully keeping all factions alive, because you don't lose killing power, you likely win in the long haul. But, it's in the best interests of the faction you're most likely to hit (ie, the village) to take you out now, before you kill a bunch of us.
If the mafia has a lot of killing power early doesn't it benefit murderbot to attack the mafia early to remove that killing power? Correct me if I'm wrong but in edcrab games the mafia usually has individual abilities per member not a group kill.
Where did you get this end-of-game condition? If this is true then the village can only win if we kill a subfaction, and then the cultists. This seems highly unlikely.
/readsOP /facepalms
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited April 2012
Village Victory Condition
Make Arcadia your own.
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Outsider sub-faction.
OR
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Chaotic sub-faction.
PHYPHOR BOT IS NOT LITERATE.
Munkus Beaver on
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Right... I keep forgetting that murderbot is not literate
When the Cultist Armada is eliminated, or if they meet their goal, the game ends for everybody.
WELL, I WAS REFERING MAINLY TO THIS:
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Outsider sub-faction.
OR
Eliminate the forces of the Cultist Armada and the Chaotic sub-faction.
FUN FACT: THE FACTION THAT WILL GET THE MOST KILLS OFF THE BAT?
THE CULTISTS.
THEY NEED TO BE CULLED QUICKLY SO MURDERBOT CAN GET THE HIGH SCORE.
IT SEEMS TO MURDERBOT THAT THE CULTISTS WOULD BE THE MOST AFRAID OF MURDERBOT.
THAT THIS IS THEIR ONE CHANCE TO STOP MURDERBOT.
THEY ARE NOT WRONG.
Yup, that just means the village can lose! You're referring to a win condition not the end-of-game condition. Those are different.
Also, when the mafia all dies, the game's over. There's a good chance that, so as to avoid crippling the mafia, mafia kills are not heavily tied to numbers. So, they'll likely get the most kills anyway, it just depends on who hits the most defenses. Yet, there's still no reason for you to target people who you think are the mafia, at least not for a while. As the game goes on, all factions lose killing power, the mafia just loses less. You ideally want to drag the game out as long as possible by carefully keeping all factions alive, because you don't lose killing power, you likely win in the long haul. But, it's in the best interests of the faction you're most likely to hit (ie, the village) to take you out now, before you kill a bunch of us.
If the mafia has a lot of killing power early doesn't it benefit murderbot to attack the mafia early to remove that killing power? Correct me if I'm wrong but in edcrab games the mafia usually has individual abilities per member not a group kill.
In the last phallakinetic we had both. Each member had a special ability, a 10% attack, and as a group we had one really powerful attack too.
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The mafia should always be the primary threat to all factions. Based on Munkus' role PM, it looks like that is true.
The goal is to neuter the Armada as best we can, then go murder whatever faction has been the most friendly before ending the game.
The game ends when the mafia area dead or victorious, right? Any disagreements here? I mean that's right from the OP. He even bolded "the game ends for everybody"
So, that leaves the following scenarios:
- Mafia win
- Mafia dead, outsiders or chaotics killed off, village win
- Mafia dead, outsiders and chaotics still around, village loses, game does not continue
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
All Baidol needs to do is get diagnosed with that mental condition where they love objects! Have a ceremony and no real registration. BAM.
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Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
Vanilla says there are new posts. I look at the thread, and then go back to the topic list and it still says there are new posts, with the latest by the same person. I think this is some sort of murderbot murderplot
Vanilla says there are new posts. I look at the thread, and then go back to the topic list and it still says there are new posts, with the latest by the same person. I think this is some sort of murderbot murderplot
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Is the vote killing the same time as powers?
Do you not die if he gets voted out?
1) Helps work day go by WAY quicker
2) I get to see if people end up being aligned the way I think they are
3) It's like being part of a soap opera
4) THERE IS A GODDAMN MURDERBOT
5) Let's be friends! 8->
Yeah... no. Murderbot doesn't want the game to end until he's racked up enough kills. Guess who he isn't going to be hitting for a while? That's right, the mafia! Because when they go, it's game over and murderbot needs his lead. So, all those people wanting to cede control to murderbot, who will work with two factions (but really mafia + switching between outsiders & chaotic). Well, guess what factions they are likely belonging to
Our population has taken enough battering without a murder bot joining in
If we assume he fires off at random (No previous allegiance), then there is a higher chance he'll hit a villager, because there are more of us
Which is a faction we must kill
MURDERBOT SIMPLY NEEDS TO HAVE THE MOST KILLS. THE GAME ONLY ENDS IF THE MAFIA HITS ITS WIN CONDITION. THE GAME KEEPS GOING AS LONG AS THERE ARE FACTIONS IN PLAY.
IT'S OK, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MURDER.
YOU WILL SOON.
When the Cultist Armada is eliminated, or if they meet their goal, the game ends for everybody.
WELL, I WAS REFERING MAINLY TO THIS:
FUN FACT: THE FACTION THAT WILL GET THE MOST KILLS OFF THE BAT?
THE CULTISTS.
THEY NEED TO BE CULLED QUICKLY SO MURDERBOT CAN GET THE HIGH SCORE.
IT SEEMS TO MURDERBOT THAT THE CULTISTS WOULD BE THE MOST AFRAID OF MURDERBOT.
THAT THIS IS THEIR ONE CHANCE TO STOP MURDERBOT.
THEY ARE NOT WRONG.
I would rather kill for information initially. Looking at the voting records of who voted/didn't vote for murderbot won't tell us much.
That said, Wiet until I can be convinced that murderbot needs to become murderedbot.
SOME LIKE THE MURDERBOT SENSE OF HUMOR. SOME DO NOT.
IF YOU WANT TO CANCEL THE MURDERBOT REUNION TOUR, VOTE MUNKUS.
IF YOU WANT TO BUY A TICKET TO THE MURDERBOT STAND-UP, SHOOT-DOWN, BURY-SHALLOW SPECIAL VOTE WIET
By this logic, vigs shouldn't use their ability day 1...
Yup, that just means the village can lose! You're referring to a win condition not the end-of-game condition. Those are different.
Also, when the mafia all dies, the game's over. There's a good chance that, so as to avoid crippling the mafia, mafia kills are not heavily tied to numbers. So, they'll likely get the most kills anyway, it just depends on who hits the most defenses. Yet, there's still no reason for you to target people who you think are the mafia, at least not for a while. As the game goes on, all factions lose killing power, the mafia just loses less. You ideally want to drag the game out as long as possible by carefully keeping all factions alive, because you don't lose killing power, you likely win in the long haul. But, it's in the best interests of the faction you're most likely to hit (ie, the village) to take you out now, before you kill a bunch of us.
A village vig is trying to avoid specials and hit mafia. Murderbot is trying to avoid mafia for now and hit specials, because that helps him win. He's a SK variant, effectively
Vigs are actively trying to miss villagers, so assuming they do some talking or something they're at least trying to stack the odds in favour of not nailing a good guy
But yea if the vig is literally just rolling an RNG then they shouldn't use their kill
Where did you get this end-of-game condition? If this is true then the village can only win if we kill a subfaction, and then the cultists. This seems highly unlikely.
I'm pretty sure someone did the math that vigs should use their ability day 1 even without any information. I could be wrong, of course.
CONSIDERING THAT MY PM MENTIONED THAT THE ARMADA WAS THE DEADLIEST FACTION AND INDIVIDUAL MAFIA MEMBERS ALWAYS HAVE SPECIAL POWERS IN THESE GAMES...
If the mafia has a lot of killing power early doesn't it benefit murderbot to attack the mafia early to remove that killing power? Correct me if I'm wrong but in edcrab games the mafia usually has individual abilities per member not a group kill.
/readsOP /facepalms
PHYPHOR BOT IS NOT LITERATE.
In the last phallakinetic we had both. Each member had a special ability, a 10% attack, and as a group we had one really powerful attack too.
The goal is to neuter the Armada as best we can, then go murder whatever faction has been the most friendly before ending the game.
Munkus
The game ends when the mafia area dead or victorious, right? Any disagreements here? I mean that's right from the OP. He even bolded "the game ends for everybody"
So, that leaves the following scenarios:
- Mafia win
- Mafia dead, outsiders or chaotics killed off, village win
- Mafia dead, outsiders and chaotics still around, village loses, game does not continue
MURDERBOT IS MARRIED TO THE JOB.
More like a VanillaBot FailPlot.