You can go BT first on Graves/Vayne since they're likely to be closer in a fight and taking damage the BT can heal. Everyone else should pretty much go IE.
graves is also one of those carries where you want to use his skills in fights instead of just letting your autos do all the work, so the extra AD on BT helps
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(Non-Edit) Edit: I really gotta get better at screen-capping when it happens. I had the ace!
So I have been trying to do some research, because a bunch of my friends who have been playing a long time are wanting to get me into this game, and I'm still a noob. Is there some logic that dictates which lanes certain types of characters go to? It seems like when we play it's usually a ranged AD/support bottom, an AP carry mid, the jungler, then a more tanky fighter type top(though sometimes top is a guy who always plays Akali.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out the reasoning behind AP/AD in which lanes and all that jazz.
AP characters are generally strong early game and scale off of their character level quite well, so they get the lane that is close to everyone else for gank opportunities early on, and extra experience
the bruiser that goes top lane goes there because they are a monster 1v1 and are trying to shut out the enemy top laner so that they have more money than them come late game
the two people go bot lane because ranged AD carries are VITAL to have on a competitive team, but they cannot survive on their own early game. They scale very well with money, but not with levels, so they get babysat while they farm all day. Later on, they do all the damage in the world.
the two people go bot lane instead of top because bot lane is close to the Dragon, which is super important early game.
This is an explanation of the highest level meta and the type of team comp you'll see in tournaments. The lower your ELO the more likely bot lane is going to end up being a kill lane of some kind (aggressive support + Ranged AD or assassin or AP + support, etc. etc.) and the less likely it is that any specific lane will see the sort of farm fest gameplay that you see at the top levels of play.
TLDR: Since pros tend to make less mistakes games at that level are more about farming and less about kills.
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So I have been trying to do some research, because a bunch of my friends who have been playing a long time are wanting to get me into this game, and I'm still a noob. Is there some logic that dictates which lanes certain types of characters go to? It seems like when we play it's usually a ranged AD/support bottom, an AP carry mid, the jungler, then a more tanky fighter type top(though sometimes top is a guy who always plays Akali.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out the reasoning behind AP/AD in which lanes and all that jazz.
AP characters are generally strong early game and scale off of their character level quite well, so they get the lane that is close to everyone else for gank opportunities early on, and extra experience
the bruiser that goes top lane goes there because they are a monster 1v1 and are trying to shut out the enemy top laner so that they have more money than them come late game
the two people go bot lane because ranged AD carries are VITAL to have on a competitive team, but they cannot survive on their own early game. They scale very well with money, but not with levels, so they get babysat while they farm all day. Later on, they do all the damage in the world.
the two people go bot lane instead of top because bot lane is close to the Dragon, which is super important early game.
This is an explanation of the highest level meta and the type of team comp you'll see in tournaments. The lower your ELO the more likely bot lane is going to end up being a kill lane of some kind (aggressive support + Ranged AD or assassin or AP + support, etc. etc.) and the less likely it is that any specific lane will see the sort of farm fest gameplay that you see at the top levels of play.
TLDR: Since pros tend to make less mistakes games at that level are more about farming and less about kills.
yes, absolutely
but the support + ad carry at bot lane and mid mage thing has kinda seeped through the game at all levels, and that's the explanation as to what the advantages are
IE + vamp sceptre is enough lifesteal to heal up from minion waves and you should beat someone who went straight for BT all other things equal.
I mentioned specific champs for a reason. I mean, I don't think anyone would quibble that Graves+BT stomps Cait+IE head to head. ;X That said, in small fights, Cait wants to stay safe and use the IE for her autos while Graves is at least a little more likely to buckshot or whathaveyou and take some splash from close dashes. (Although IE is also great on him)
So I get that the passive on Graves makes lifesteal more effective, but for AD carries in general when is it better to finish a BT instead of just picking up a vamp scepter on the way to your IE?
Never. IE's the thing that will launch you into the stratosphere of carrying. Why delay?
Because you want to live. On a champion like Vayne or Graves who have a little more AD spell based burst than Ashe or Cait you're going to see BT valued slightly more than IE in build order.
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re: IE vs BT -
The other factor besides which champion you're playing is whether you have much confidence in your team's ability to let you do your job; the less you have, the wiser it is to get a Bloodthirster. As mentioned, Graves ends up needing to do his job up in people's face, long-run, so he's sort of the guy it makes most sense to rush one on; the True Grit resists are just gravy.
Oh, and @Sampsen is dead on: I actually DO have a BT and a Zeal by the time the enemy carry has his IE on Graves unless a game has gotten out of hand early. It causes fun times.
You can go BT first on Graves/Vayne since they're likely to be closer in a fight and taking damage the BT can heal. Everyone else should pretty much go IE.
I forgot how hilarious it is to play headgames and troll people as Leblanc.
The look on someone's face when you escape a fight with half a bar left and they have 3 bars, only to jump back and instagib them is priceless.
One of the recordings of Painhouse Week 2 has me getting smoked on Taric from about 3/4ths by basically that move. ;_;
I was midding against Ryze last game and got him like three times with that.
Once he was backing at his tower after getting away from my combo. W into range, QE dead.
Twice he was under my tower after I had W'd away. I used the blinkback on W, (DFG/Ignite)QE dead.
And yeah, being a support in a game with an enemy Leblanc is the worst feeling. I caught Sona in a bush, she ulted me and Flashed away, didn't matter, basic QR killed her, didn't even set it off or DFG.
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Refusing not to play Teemo in whatever role should really just be a reportable offense. No, he's not an ad carry, and you're throwing our team comp.
I don't mind babysitting ADs in bot, but if a whiny Trist is going to complain when I get a kill after she doesn't pursue a sure thing, I want an extra $2/hour and full fridge privileges.
Power Chord/Q combo put a lot of hurt on Ashe. Helped that her Kayle was a moron.
Refusing not to play Teemo in whatever role should really just be a reportable offense. No, he's not an ad carry, and you're throwing our team comp.
Teemo can AD carry. Not the best, but not bad. I bet that he is a lot better than people realize after the buffs and fixes recently.
His harass is really strong so long as the fight isn't sustained since he does 33 damage with his level 1 w over the duration. His blind is also really really good for early bottom lane fights. Since he has shrooms he is very safe, can contribute to warding and protect dragon.
Refusing not to play Teemo in whatever role should really just be a reportable offense. No, he's not an ad carry, and you're throwing our team comp.
It wouldn't hurt to do a little research on how some of the champs can be built, and it may also help to generally just think of the Meta as a guideline. You seem to post a lot about frustrations with people not playing within your Box, when the game allows for a wide variety of team compositions. It may help to ease some of your frustrations and make the game more enjoyable for you.
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Cleanse is real fun against LeBlanc, especially if you have some way to root her in place when she uses W. Or if you're Ryze and you get a negatron real early, she can't damage you anymore and you can maul her.
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graves is also one of those carries where you want to use his skills in fights instead of just letting your autos do all the work, so the extra AD on BT helps
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This is an explanation of the highest level meta and the type of team comp you'll see in tournaments. The lower your ELO the more likely bot lane is going to end up being a kill lane of some kind (aggressive support + Ranged AD or assassin or AP + support, etc. etc.) and the less likely it is that any specific lane will see the sort of farm fest gameplay that you see at the top levels of play.
TLDR: Since pros tend to make less mistakes games at that level are more about farming and less about kills.
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yes, absolutely
but the support + ad carry at bot lane and mid mage thing has kinda seeped through the game at all levels, and that's the explanation as to what the advantages are
you can see me die like a scrub there :c
IE + vamp scepter = 3830 + 450 = 4280
BT = 3000, that's 1280 difference, or the cost of a zeal + ward
BT is an earlier and better item if you can stay alive. You still get the IE, it's just later.
Because you want to live. On a champion like Vayne or Graves who have a little more AD spell based burst than Ashe or Cait you're going to see BT valued slightly more than IE in build order.
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The other factor besides which champion you're playing is whether you have much confidence in your team's ability to let you do your job; the less you have, the wiser it is to get a Bloodthirster. As mentioned, Graves ends up needing to do his job up in people's face, long-run, so he's sort of the guy it makes most sense to rush one on; the True Grit resists are just gravy.
Oh, and @Sampsen is dead on: I actually DO have a BT and a Zeal by the time the enemy carry has his IE on Graves unless a game has gotten out of hand early. It causes fun times.
corki should go BC BT....
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The look on someone's face when you escape a fight with half a bar left and they have 3 bars, only to jump back and instagib them is priceless.
SMH
One of the recordings of Painhouse Week 2 has me getting smoked on Taric from about 3/4ths by basically that move. ;_;
Thanks @Auralynx for the Soraka advice earlier!
No problem, dude. Glad you're getting more mileage out of her now.
Once he was backing at his tower after getting away from my combo. W into range, QE dead.
Twice he was under my tower after I had W'd away. I used the blinkback on W, (DFG/Ignite)QE dead.
And yeah, being a support in a game with an enemy Leblanc is the worst feeling. I caught Sona in a bush, she ulted me and Flashed away, didn't matter, basic QR killed her, didn't even set it off or DFG.
Power Chord/Q combo put a lot of hurt on Ashe. Helped that her Kayle was a moron.
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Use bans to enforce metas. That'll fix everything.
Teemo can AD carry. Not the best, but not bad. I bet that he is a lot better than people realize after the buffs and fixes recently.
His harass is really strong so long as the fight isn't sustained since he does 33 damage with his level 1 w over the duration. His blind is also really really good for early bottom lane fights. Since he has shrooms he is very safe, can contribute to warding and protect dragon.
It wouldn't hurt to do a little research on how some of the champs can be built, and it may also help to generally just think of the Meta as a guideline. You seem to post a lot about frustrations with people not playing within your Box, when the game allows for a wide variety of team compositions. It may help to ease some of your frustrations and make the game more enjoyable for you.
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how much will people want to chase me
this is a terrible idea
build six zeals
sounds like someone is underestimating the power of the scout's code