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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    I forged it because I was like "Redu
    Ok post game is suitably intense also

    Fuck the duke. Hard.

    Or so post-game is harder?

    I figured that would be the case. Nice to hear some confirmation.

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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    The wikia claims that NPC affinity carries over into NG+. If so, there really must be a factor apart from mere amount of affinity.

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    AddaAdda LondonRegistered User regular
    Some parts of post game are harder but as much as I love this game (and I do) , it's just one big gear check. At around level 50+ you are nearly invincible.

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    PLA wrote: »
    The wikia claims that NPC affinity carries over into NG+. If so, there really must be a factor apart from mere amount of affinity.
    I think how it works is there's a "max affinity" (or "highest affinity" may be more accurate) but you can keep going over it and whoever is the highest will be your "romance"

    So, like, 100 Affinity Points or however it's counted is "Max Affinity" but Character A and Character B can both be at Max Affinity but Character A has 153 Points and Character B has 139 Points. Something like that, at least.

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    I "romanced" Julien, apparently. He was the one captured by the Dragon, we made out in the ending, he was living with me, all that stuff.

    Then I had Selene whip me up some Herbal Brews and she was the one that showed up when my Pawn became human.

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    gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Eh, the reviews are fair to middlin' on the whole. There are some fairly scathing reviews and very few of glowing praise. The good reviews tend to give it a solid 'B', and as we all know, a 70-anything in this industry is bargain-bin fodder, especially if it's a new IP. I truly believe that more people would have given this a look if Capcom hadn't had its recent PR blemish with the DLC/monetization fiasco, and if they'd done any marketing for it whatsoever. Heck, Kingdoms of Amalur certainly seemed to get far more advertising space than this did (granted EA's got deeper pockets than Capcom, but still, we're not talking about an indie startup company here).
    Anything above 60 for me is a definite try. What "the industry" thinks is completely pointless.
    And upper 70s in nowhere near "fair to middlin'".
    To you and I, a mid-seventies score might not be a middling one, but to the masses it certainly seems to be the case. I don't want to derail the thread on a 'review scores are bad' tangent but it's definitely the case that anything below 80 is considered sub-par in this generation of AAA-sell-a-million-or-you're-out titles. And really, going through most of those Metacritic reviews (the "professional" sites only, not the user reviews), the only recognizeable name that gave this game anything above an 80 was Gametrailers. All of the more reputable sites, those that most (here at least) seem to put stock in like Eurogamer, Edge, Giantbomb, Joystiq and such, ranged from tepid to outright revulsion (Joystiq's specifically).

    Personally, I sometimes feel as if I'm not playing the same game as a lot of the reviewers, because short of some very minor complaints, this game is nigh-flawless in my eyes. But then, I can understand where the detractors are coming from because I felt the -exact- same way about the Witcher 2. People seemed to treat that game as if it were the best thing ever and I could not have disagreed more, I absolutely loathed it. Different strokes and all that, but the problem here is, and I think one of the review sites said it best, this is one of Capcom's most ambitious games in the past decade or more and it will likely get passed up because some of the pro review sites collectively dumped on it. I really hope it gets a sequel, honestly, because it absolutely deserves one. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if it doesn't.

    The terrible reviews are why I poked around here asking questions.

    (Almost) Everyone here loves it, but the reviews I saw were brutal.

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    Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    Do dungeons(The Catacombs, for example) reset? Like, in the same way monsters and animals respawn?

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Eh, the reviews are fair to middlin' on the whole. There are some fairly scathing reviews and very few of glowing praise. The good reviews tend to give it a solid 'B', and as we all know, a 70-anything in this industry is bargain-bin fodder, especially if it's a new IP. I truly believe that more people would have given this a look if Capcom hadn't had its recent PR blemish with the DLC/monetization fiasco, and if they'd done any marketing for it whatsoever. Heck, Kingdoms of Amalur certainly seemed to get far more advertising space than this did (granted EA's got deeper pockets than Capcom, but still, we're not talking about an indie startup company here).
    Anything above 60 for me is a definite try. What "the industry" thinks is completely pointless.
    And upper 70s in nowhere near "fair to middlin'".
    To you and I, a mid-seventies score might not be a middling one, but to the masses it certainly seems to be the case. I don't want to derail the thread on a 'review scores are bad' tangent but it's definitely the case that anything below 80 is considered sub-par in this generation of AAA-sell-a-million-or-you're-out titles. And really, going through most of those Metacritic reviews (the "professional" sites only, not the user reviews), the only recognizeable name that gave this game anything above an 80 was Gametrailers. All of the more reputable sites, those that most (here at least) seem to put stock in like Eurogamer, Edge, Giantbomb, Joystiq and such, ranged from tepid to outright revulsion (Joystiq's specifically).

    Personally, I sometimes feel as if I'm not playing the same game as a lot of the reviewers, because short of some very minor complaints, this game is nigh-flawless in my eyes. But then, I can understand where the detractors are coming from because I felt the -exact- same way about the Witcher 2. People seemed to treat that game as if it were the best thing ever and I could not have disagreed more, I absolutely loathed it. Different strokes and all that, but the problem here is, and I think one of the review sites said it best, this is one of Capcom's most ambitious games in the past decade or more and it will likely get passed up because some of the pro review sites collectively dumped on it. I really hope it gets a sequel, honestly, because it absolutely deserves one. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if it doesn't.

    The terrible reviews are why I poked around here asking questions.

    (Almost) Everyone here loves it, but the reviews I saw were brutal.

    Yeah, it's a pretty good game. There is a lot of room for improvement but overall I feel the reviews so far have been a bit unfair.

    Personally I would give the game an 8.

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    Do dungeons(The Catacombs, for example) reset? Like, in the same way monsters and animals respawn?
    You mean the chests and everything? Yep. Generally takes about three to five days.

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    RubycatRubycat Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    Do dungeons(The Catacombs, for example) reset? Like, in the same way monsters and animals respawn?

    Yes for the most part unless there is a significant change (the quarry/shadowfort wont respawn mobs, but will respawn chest loot)

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    Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    Low level Sorc is kinda dull, I was just hoping to power level my way through The Catacombs a few times. Get to the good stuff faster.

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    Majestic GoatMajestic Goat Registered User regular
    Met Ur Dragon first time, and it's like "Hi there Arisen, bye."
    Come back you coward! :ar!

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    spookymuffinspookymuffin ( ° ʖ ° ) Puyallup WA Registered User regular
    Just had my audience with the Duke. How far into the game am I? I'm really bad at just fucking around and killing/gathering for hours.

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    AgahnimAgahnim Registered User regular
    I hear after first meeting with the duke you're about 1/4th or 1/3rd into it (if this is after completing all the Wyrm Hunt quests). Just got there myself after messing around so I'm in the same position. I'm level 37 and I've barely fought three bosses.

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    spookymuffinspookymuffin ( ° ʖ ° ) Puyallup WA Registered User regular
    I think I just hit 34. I really have no desire to rush through this game. I'm having a pretty good time with it. Probably going to change vocation to Assassin for the next bit. After seeing strider and ranger pawns, I have bow envy.

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    ElderlycrawfishElderlycrawfish Registered User regular
    Yeah, I'm only slightly passed the first duke meet and I'm at 40. I keep wandering around or trying to clear escort and other quests when i should really just power through some of the main stuff.

    I've also "met" the Duchess, and yeah that left me scratching my head. Oh Capcom.

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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Sort of tempting to make more accounts to customise more pawns.

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Eh, the reviews are fair to middlin' on the whole. There are some fairly scathing reviews and very few of glowing praise. The good reviews tend to give it a solid 'B', and as we all know, a 70-anything in this industry is bargain-bin fodder, especially if it's a new IP. I truly believe that more people would have given this a look if Capcom hadn't had its recent PR blemish with the DLC/monetization fiasco, and if they'd done any marketing for it whatsoever. Heck, Kingdoms of Amalur certainly seemed to get far more advertising space than this did (granted EA's got deeper pockets than Capcom, but still, we're not talking about an indie startup company here).
    Anything above 60 for me is a definite try. What "the industry" thinks is completely pointless.
    And upper 70s in nowhere near "fair to middlin'".
    To you and I, a mid-seventies score might not be a middling one, but to the masses it certainly seems to be the case. I don't want to derail the thread on a 'review scores are bad' tangent but it's definitely the case that anything below 80 is considered sub-par in this generation of AAA-sell-a-million-or-you're-out titles. And really, going through most of those Metacritic reviews (the "professional" sites only, not the user reviews), the only recognizeable name that gave this game anything above an 80 was Gametrailers. All of the more reputable sites, those that most (here at least) seem to put stock in like Eurogamer, Edge, Giantbomb, Joystiq and such, ranged from tepid to outright revulsion (Joystiq's specifically).

    Personally, I sometimes feel as if I'm not playing the same game as a lot of the reviewers, because short of some very minor complaints, this game is nigh-flawless in my eyes. But then, I can understand where the detractors are coming from because I felt the -exact- same way about the Witcher 2. People seemed to treat that game as if it were the best thing ever and I could not have disagreed more, I absolutely loathed it. Different strokes and all that, but the problem here is, and I think one of the review sites said it best, this is one of Capcom's most ambitious games in the past decade or more and it will likely get passed up because some of the pro review sites collectively dumped on it. I really hope it gets a sequel, honestly, because it absolutely deserves one. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if it doesn't.

    The terrible reviews are why I poked around here asking questions.

    (Almost) Everyone here loves it, but the reviews I saw were brutal.

    Where the hell are people seeing all these bad reviews? I know of ONE, Joystiq's, which is laughably poor not to mention incorrect.

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    Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    Thanks a bunch for taking my Jun out folks, appreciate it. She's levelled up lots more and I've set her up with Comestion and Brontide. It is nuts.

    Also, the craziest thing happened. I decided to take an escort mission, my first, to Shadow Fort. Set off in the morning and got near the waycastle and a little south of that some bandits were killing an NPC who was pleading for help. Sadly I was too slow in despatching the goons because I refuse to use the daggers and just plink away with my bow. Finished with the bandits, I mosey onward and there's fucking 8 Saurians. GAH! Fine game, I'll kill them, just you watch!

    !


    I've killed like 3 of them and a Chimera comes along! Out of nowhere. Couple deaths later and some tactical rethinking (and a tonne of luck) and its done! Cleared the immediate area and got some neat materials. I shall continue onward to Shadow Fort! Despite it being night, I refuse to turn south and head toward the encampment, even though its right there. Serioiusly, I can see it from way over here but nope, I'll muster on, the worst of it is over now anyway.


    NOPE!

    ARMORED CYCLOPS. Fine. Sure. I can deal with it. I'll just keep spamming the Dire shot from a distance an- WHAT!? Oh come on! Saurians too?! So now I can't hang back and plink away at the cyclops.


    God, I love this game so much. And Hashtag is a blessing, I just loaded him up with 250 empty bottles and we're gonna fill those up at the healing spring. ANd then maybe have some tea and crumpet and sing some nursery rhymes.

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    gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Eh, the reviews are fair to middlin' on the whole. There are some fairly scathing reviews and very few of glowing praise. The good reviews tend to give it a solid 'B', and as we all know, a 70-anything in this industry is bargain-bin fodder, especially if it's a new IP. I truly believe that more people would have given this a look if Capcom hadn't had its recent PR blemish with the DLC/monetization fiasco, and if they'd done any marketing for it whatsoever. Heck, Kingdoms of Amalur certainly seemed to get far more advertising space than this did (granted EA's got deeper pockets than Capcom, but still, we're not talking about an indie startup company here).
    Anything above 60 for me is a definite try. What "the industry" thinks is completely pointless.
    And upper 70s in nowhere near "fair to middlin'".
    To you and I, a mid-seventies score might not be a middling one, but to the masses it certainly seems to be the case. I don't want to derail the thread on a 'review scores are bad' tangent but it's definitely the case that anything below 80 is considered sub-par in this generation of AAA-sell-a-million-or-you're-out titles. And really, going through most of those Metacritic reviews (the "professional" sites only, not the user reviews), the only recognizeable name that gave this game anything above an 80 was Gametrailers. All of the more reputable sites, those that most (here at least) seem to put stock in like Eurogamer, Edge, Giantbomb, Joystiq and such, ranged from tepid to outright revulsion (Joystiq's specifically).

    Personally, I sometimes feel as if I'm not playing the same game as a lot of the reviewers, because short of some very minor complaints, this game is nigh-flawless in my eyes. But then, I can understand where the detractors are coming from because I felt the -exact- same way about the Witcher 2. People seemed to treat that game as if it were the best thing ever and I could not have disagreed more, I absolutely loathed it. Different strokes and all that, but the problem here is, and I think one of the review sites said it best, this is one of Capcom's most ambitious games in the past decade or more and it will likely get passed up because some of the pro review sites collectively dumped on it. I really hope it gets a sequel, honestly, because it absolutely deserves one. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if it doesn't.

    The terrible reviews are why I poked around here asking questions.

    (Almost) Everyone here loves it, but the reviews I saw were brutal.

    Where the hell are people seeing all these bad reviews? I know of ONE, Joystiq's, which is laughably poor not to mention incorrect.

    Joystiq was the first one I read (oops), so it definitely colored my view of the other ones I read.

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    GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    So, I totally did not realize I was going to what would lead to "post-game".
    When the guy said "you won't see Gran Soren for a while" I figured he meant it would be a long quest, not that I'm going to fight the final battle. Will I be unable to finish any side quests once I am done with that fight? There were a couple I didn't do, like the last one in Selene's quest line. I also still haven't gotten the one to go the Blighted Manse.

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    Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    Quick question! Do the items the support pawns pick up or the ones that I give them disappear when I release them back to their masters? I'm asuming they'll automagically go back into my inventory or storage but would like to be sure.

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    AchireAchire Isn't life disappointing? Yes, it is. Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Achire wrote: »
    Foefaller wrote: »
    So, does anyone have an answer about the Duke's Ring, and the treasure vault? Did I mess up?

    Not necessarily. You should get a quest from the advisor to go see the duke, where he slowly walks you to him. And then the duke slowly walks you to the treasury. You might have to do the Salvation quest before this happens, I can't quite remember.

    Ah, good, and here I was freaking out.

    I've also missed a bunch of quests (never returned to Cassadis until long after going bringing the Hydra's Head to Gran Soren, so I didn't even *know* Lost & Found existed until you guys started talking about it) Right not trying to decide if I should do a NG+, or Start over to get the cheevo. In either case, I'll make sure to back up the save on a flash drive, so I can enjoy the post-game stuff after starting a new game (+) and Monger will still be able to use Leanna whenever he wants :p

    Don't restart just yet. I'm in the process of updating some of Leanna's gear including an upgraded version of that incredibly ugly helmet she uses. Which voice is Leanna? It's great.

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    HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    A "mixed" review is a bad review. Go back and read those mixed reviews - they don't paint a pleasant picture and certainly don't endorse the game. The 44 positives are largely comprised of more...independent outlets, to put it respectfully. Great that they enjoyed it, but no one is rushing to GamesBeat or Digital Chumps for their thoughts (again, no disrespect to those outlets, I'm sure they have their fanbases) over Edge (70), Eurogamer (70) or GiantBomb (60). They're decidedly bad (that is, non-endorsing) reviews. Joystiq's in particular was definitely a bit harsh for my taste but hey, that's how the person felt I suppose.

    This game was not well-endorsed, nor was it well-advertised, and as others here have corroborrated, word of mouth is the best shot this thing has at getting a sequel. In fact, I'd go so far as to suggest we put the advisement in the thread title here, at the risk of evangelizing the title, at least it might give it a bit more traction. If this sells well enough, I'd hope they'd give a sequel a chance. Lost Planet 2 got one, c'mon Capcom.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    I walked into a room in the post dungeon

    A chimera ots upgraded form and a frikkin lich spawn.

    I figured no problem.

    Did not see the dire wolves.

    Jesus I breezed through the first few rooms. Learned my lesson.

    Also Assassin class guys. You get a weapon for each one equipped when you beat the game and they are sick so make sure what you have equipped is what you want to get.

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    MongerMonger I got the ham stink. Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Just killed me an Ur Dragon.

    @Monger, I hope you're okay with me giving Maya a staff that ups her Magick by over 500 points compared to her old one (746 to 1249). :lol:
    D:

    I'm gonna need a lot more wine to give out.

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    AllforceAllforce Registered User regular
    Is there any option to change your haircut (or even your main guys looks at all) anywhere?

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    That joystiq review

    wow

    fuck gendered marketing
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    AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Where the hell are people seeing all these bad reviews? I know of ONE, Joystiq's, which is laughably poor not to mention incorrect.
    For the Xbox 360 version, there are 10 "mixed" reviews on Metacritic, which means reviews in the 60-70 range.

    1 negative review (olol joystiq)

    And 29 "positive" reviews.

    Edit: PlayUK didn't like the PS3 version (48%):
    A clunky, confused mess of a game that simply doesn't know what it wants to be. There's comfort in how compulsive it can be, but that factor doesn't magically turn Dragon's Dogma into anything other than a flawed, dull and unfair experience

    All told, two negative, 12 mixed, and 44 positive reviews.

    Yeah as far as the PS3 version goes it is sitting at 79 on Metacritic and would have probably been in the low 80's if not for the silly goose at Play UK. Honestly I know opinions opinions, but when the rest of your "colleagues" are giving a game 70-90 range and you give it a 48, well it comes of to me like you really didn't do your job.

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    DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    The Assassin's easy kill move is just awesome. Just awesome. And it doesn't require very precise timing, either.

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    Ken OKen O Registered User regular
    Allforce wrote: »
    Is there any option to change your haircut (or even your main guys looks at all) anywhere?

    There is a barber shop in Gran Soren.

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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Hundred point scale is silly for reviews. Implies technical counting. Is actually just a gut-feeling.
    Gut-feelings are more accurately expressed on a five point scale of frowny/smiley faces.

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    HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    Allforce wrote: »
    Is there any option to change your haircut (or even your main guys looks at all) anywhere?

    Yeah, in Gran Soren (capital city) you can change your haircut for you and your pawn. I think you can change more as well if you buy the hair and skin potions from the vendor in the encampment.

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    ArchsorcererArchsorcerer Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Eh, the reviews are fair to middlin' on the whole. There are some fairly scathing reviews and very few of glowing praise. The good reviews tend to give it a solid 'B', and as we all know, a 70-anything in this industry is bargain-bin fodder, especially if it's a new IP. I truly believe that more people would have given this a look if Capcom hadn't had its recent PR blemish with the DLC/monetization fiasco, and if they'd done any marketing for it whatsoever. Heck, Kingdoms of Amalur certainly seemed to get far more advertising space than this did (granted EA's got deeper pockets than Capcom, but still, we're not talking about an indie startup company here).
    Anything above 60 for me is a definite try. What "the industry" thinks is completely pointless.
    And upper 70s in nowhere near "fair to middlin'".
    To you and I, a mid-seventies score might not be a middling one, but to the masses it certainly seems to be the case. I don't want to derail the thread on a 'review scores are bad' tangent but it's definitely the case that anything below 80 is considered sub-par in this generation of AAA-sell-a-million-or-you're-out titles. And really, going through most of those Metacritic reviews (the "professional" sites only, not the user reviews), the only recognizeable name that gave this game anything above an 80 was Gametrailers. All of the more reputable sites, those that most (here at least) seem to put stock in like Eurogamer, Edge, Giantbomb, Joystiq and such, ranged from tepid to outright revulsion (Joystiq's specifically).

    Personally, I sometimes feel as if I'm not playing the same game as a lot of the reviewers, because short of some very minor complaints, this game is nigh-flawless in my eyes. But then, I can understand where the detractors are coming from because I felt the -exact- same way about the Witcher 2. People seemed to treat that game as if it were the best thing ever and I could not have disagreed more, I absolutely loathed it. Different strokes and all that, but the problem here is, and I think one of the review sites said it best, this is one of Capcom's most ambitious games in the past decade or more and it will likely get passed up because some of the pro review sites collectively dumped on it. I really hope it gets a sequel, honestly, because it absolutely deserves one. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if it doesn't.

    The terrible reviews are why I poked around here asking questions.

    (Almost) Everyone here loves it, but the reviews I saw were brutal.

    Where the hell are people seeing all these bad reviews? I know of ONE, Joystiq's, which is laughably poor not to mention incorrect.

    Joystiq was the first one I read (oops), so it definitely colored my view of the other ones I read.

    I just listened to the Joystiq podcast. Only one of them liked it (he would replay it), 2 didn't. Those 2 took a while to figure out you need to switch pawns. Listen to it.

    But their main complaint was the escort quests (suddenly encountering bunch of high level monsters in the middle of them) and the lack of fast-travel means.

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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Allforce wrote: »
    Is there any option to change your haircut (or even your main guys looks at all) anywhere?

    Yep. Barber Shop in the main town (hair, brows, makeup, skin/eye color, and voice).
    And you can buy a consumable from the RC vendor for a complete change.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Allforce wrote: »
    Is there any option to change your haircut (or even your main guys looks at all) anywhere?

    There is a barber shop in the capital, as well as an item sold by the rift crystal vendor in the Encampment that allows for a full redo of both your arisen and pawn body customizations

    fuck gendered marketing
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    BursarBursar Hee Noooo! PDX areaRegistered User regular
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Eh, the reviews are fair to middlin' on the whole. There are some fairly scathing reviews and very few of glowing praise. The good reviews tend to give it a solid 'B', and as we all know, a 70-anything in this industry is bargain-bin fodder, especially if it's a new IP. I truly believe that more people would have given this a look if Capcom hadn't had its recent PR blemish with the DLC/monetization fiasco, and if they'd done any marketing for it whatsoever. Heck, Kingdoms of Amalur certainly seemed to get far more advertising space than this did (granted EA's got deeper pockets than Capcom, but still, we're not talking about an indie startup company here).
    Anything above 60 for me is a definite try. What "the industry" thinks is completely pointless.
    And upper 70s in nowhere near "fair to middlin'".
    To you and I, a mid-seventies score might not be a middling one, but to the masses it certainly seems to be the case. I don't want to derail the thread on a 'review scores are bad' tangent but it's definitely the case that anything below 80 is considered sub-par in this generation of AAA-sell-a-million-or-you're-out titles. And really, going through most of those Metacritic reviews (the "professional" sites only, not the user reviews), the only recognizeable name that gave this game anything above an 80 was Gametrailers. All of the more reputable sites, those that most (here at least) seem to put stock in like Eurogamer, Edge, Giantbomb, Joystiq and such, ranged from tepid to outright revulsion (Joystiq's specifically).

    Personally, I sometimes feel as if I'm not playing the same game as a lot of the reviewers, because short of some very minor complaints, this game is nigh-flawless in my eyes. But then, I can understand where the detractors are coming from because I felt the -exact- same way about the Witcher 2. People seemed to treat that game as if it were the best thing ever and I could not have disagreed more, I absolutely loathed it. Different strokes and all that, but the problem here is, and I think one of the review sites said it best, this is one of Capcom's most ambitious games in the past decade or more and it will likely get passed up because some of the pro review sites collectively dumped on it. I really hope it gets a sequel, honestly, because it absolutely deserves one. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if it doesn't.

    The terrible reviews are why I poked around here asking questions.

    (Almost) Everyone here loves it, but the reviews I saw were brutal.

    Where the hell are people seeing all these bad reviews? I know of ONE, Joystiq's, which is laughably poor not to mention incorrect.

    Joystiq was the first one I read (oops), so it definitely colored my view of the other ones I read.

    I just listened to the Joystiq podcast. Only one of them liked it (he would replay it), 2 didn't. Those 2 took a while to figure out you need to switch pawns. Listen to it.

    But their main complaint was the escort quests (suddenly encountering bunch of high level monsters) and the lack of fast-travel means.

    I can imagine that people previewing the game before release, who don't have access to friendly pawns (or, really, any pawns outside of other pre/reviewers), would have a vastly different opinion of the online component. For me, it's more like "Which cheat mode do I want to enable today? Incredible damage, or constant healing?"

    Other than the first guy, Rook, are there offline pawns?

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    AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    Bursar wrote: »
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Eh, the reviews are fair to middlin' on the whole. There are some fairly scathing reviews and very few of glowing praise. The good reviews tend to give it a solid 'B', and as we all know, a 70-anything in this industry is bargain-bin fodder, especially if it's a new IP. I truly believe that more people would have given this a look if Capcom hadn't had its recent PR blemish with the DLC/monetization fiasco, and if they'd done any marketing for it whatsoever. Heck, Kingdoms of Amalur certainly seemed to get far more advertising space than this did (granted EA's got deeper pockets than Capcom, but still, we're not talking about an indie startup company here).
    Anything above 60 for me is a definite try. What "the industry" thinks is completely pointless.
    And upper 70s in nowhere near "fair to middlin'".
    To you and I, a mid-seventies score might not be a middling one, but to the masses it certainly seems to be the case. I don't want to derail the thread on a 'review scores are bad' tangent but it's definitely the case that anything below 80 is considered sub-par in this generation of AAA-sell-a-million-or-you're-out titles. And really, going through most of those Metacritic reviews (the "professional" sites only, not the user reviews), the only recognizeable name that gave this game anything above an 80 was Gametrailers. All of the more reputable sites, those that most (here at least) seem to put stock in like Eurogamer, Edge, Giantbomb, Joystiq and such, ranged from tepid to outright revulsion (Joystiq's specifically).

    Personally, I sometimes feel as if I'm not playing the same game as a lot of the reviewers, because short of some very minor complaints, this game is nigh-flawless in my eyes. But then, I can understand where the detractors are coming from because I felt the -exact- same way about the Witcher 2. People seemed to treat that game as if it were the best thing ever and I could not have disagreed more, I absolutely loathed it. Different strokes and all that, but the problem here is, and I think one of the review sites said it best, this is one of Capcom's most ambitious games in the past decade or more and it will likely get passed up because some of the pro review sites collectively dumped on it. I really hope it gets a sequel, honestly, because it absolutely deserves one. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if it doesn't.

    The terrible reviews are why I poked around here asking questions.

    (Almost) Everyone here loves it, but the reviews I saw were brutal.

    Where the hell are people seeing all these bad reviews? I know of ONE, Joystiq's, which is laughably poor not to mention incorrect.

    Joystiq was the first one I read (oops), so it definitely colored my view of the other ones I read.

    I just listened to the Joystiq podcast. Only one of them liked it (he would replay it), 2 didn't. Those 2 took a while to figure out you need to switch pawns. Listen to it.

    But their main complaint was the escort quests (suddenly encountering bunch of high level monsters) and the lack of fast-travel means.

    I can imagine that people previewing the game before release, who don't have access to friendly pawns (or, really, any pawns outside of other pre/reviewers), would have a vastly different opinion of the online component. For me, it's more like "Which cheat mode do I want to enable today? Incredible damage, or constant healing?"

    Other than the first guy, Rook, are there offline pawns?

    Yes there are, though I have never used them.

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    LegendofLinkLegendofLink Registered User regular
    Yeah, a lot of the reviews take the things we find as positives as negatives, i.e. high difficulty, no fast travel, etc.

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    HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
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    Hundred point scale is silly for reviews. Implies technical counting. Is actually just a gut-feeling.
    Gut-feelings are more accurately expressed on a five point scale of frowny/smiley faces.

    Personally I think any point scale is nonsense for reviews (the fractional point ones in particular slay me - so you liked it enough for an 8.5 but not quite enough for a 9). It's silly. You either liked the game enough to endorse it or you didn't. Thumbs up, thumbs down. Easy.

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    LouieLouie Registered User regular
    I think it generates offline pawns for use

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