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Legend Of Korra: Everything is going South

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    General Iroh really felt like as if they froze Zuko immediately after the completion of TLA until his appearance in Korra.

    His voice, even his attitude and demeanor are just so similar.

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    oh my sweet jesus what am I looking at

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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Maybe I just can't remember any examples, but how many instances of bender/non-bender relations being strained did the series actually portray? The only one I can think of are the mafia style gangs, and maybe the existence of pro-bending? But aside from Tarlock, we were never really given any examples of prominent benders treating non-benders differently, or inferior.
    no

    they managed to completely avoid dealing with the conflict they brought up with the whole equalist thing in the first place

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Maybe I just can't remember any examples, but how many instances of bender/non-bender relations being strained did the series actually portray? The only one I can think of are the mafia style gangs, and maybe the existence of pro-bending? But aside from Tarlock, we were never really given any examples of prominent benders treating non-benders differently, or inferior.
    no

    they managed to completely avoid dealing with the conflict they brought up with the whole equalist thing in the first place
    Well, they kind of deal with it by outing Amon as a manipulative monster who never actually meant anything he said ever, except bending being the source of all evil

    my question comes from a lot of people still saying 'well amon had the right idea just for bad reasons'

  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    oh my sweet jesus what am I looking at

    Cyborg Linja.

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  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    Sometimes Networks make dumb decisions that they think will make them more money for no real logical reason.

    Especially for Avatar. Given their past experiences with the network, I could see why the creators would want to make their business with them as short/modular as possible. At any moment the network might decide the show isn't capturing some arbitrary demographic and start passive-aggressively canceling the series by moving around time-slots and delaying episodes without warning.

  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Outside of Tarrlok, it's never actually shown that other members of the council were actually benders or not, regardless of how they voted.
    Doesn't Tarrlok use "us benders" when referring to the council?

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    To be fair, shows like Avatar don't really seem to be in Nick's wheelhouse

  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    oh my sweet jesus what am I looking at

    Cyborg Linja.

    It wasn't until I read Zanzibar that I realized it wasn't a Robocop reference.

    Because Lin is a cop, you see.

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Maybe I just can't remember any examples, but how many instances of bender/non-bender relations being strained did the series actually portray? The only one I can think of are the mafia style gangs, and maybe the existence of pro-bending? But aside from Tarlock, we were never really given any examples of prominent benders treating non-benders differently, or inferior.
    no

    they managed to completely avoid dealing with the conflict they brought up with the whole equalist thing in the first place
    Well, they kind of deal with it by outing Amon as a manipulative monster who never actually meant anything he said ever, except bending being the source of all evil

    my question comes from a lot of people still saying 'well amon had the right idea just for bad reasons'

    Because it was an established point and (possibly out of concern for time?) they didn't hammer at it every episode

    I do sort of agree we aren't shown a resolution for that conflict but it was definitely stated to exist which is where the "amon is right but for bad reasons/is going about it stupid" comes from

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    I remember reading a thing with a Nick executive afterwards who claimed that the fans "loved" the hiatus during season three.

  • Marie AugustMarie August Los Angeles, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Maybe I just can't remember any examples, but how many instances of bender/non-bender relations being strained did the series actually portray? The only one I can think of are the mafia style gangs, and maybe the existence of pro-bending? But aside from Tarlock, we were never really given any examples of prominent benders treating non-benders differently, or inferior.

    Outside of Tarrlok, it's never actually shown that other members of the council were actually benders or not, regardless of how they voted.

    I would be very surprised if all of the members of the council were not benders. I don't see how a non-bender would be pleased with Tarrlok's law that all non-benders needed a curfew, and also his general attitude that non-benders were by default Equalist suspects. His blatant suspicion of anyone who was not a bender would have made a non-bender council member very uncomfortable.

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Outside of Tarrlok, it's never actually shown that other members of the council were actually benders or not, regardless of how they voted.
    Doesn't Tarrlok use "us benders" when referring to the council?

    Not clear. But even if he did, we know that the council isn't historically made up solely of benders: in Aang's time it was at least 40% non-bender, and very possibly more.

    Even if the council is solely made up of benders, it's a new political element of bender/non-bender relations, not an iteration of long-standing prejudices and privileges
    Which further suggests that the whole thing is just a high-level expression of the decades-long conflict between Tarrlok and Noatok

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Maybe I just can't remember any examples, but how many instances of bender/non-bender relations being strained did the series actually portray? The only one I can think of are the mafia style gangs, and maybe the existence of pro-bending? But aside from Tarlock, we were never really given any examples of prominent benders treating non-benders differently, or inferior.
    no

    they managed to completely avoid dealing with the conflict they brought up with the whole equalist thing in the first place
    Well, they kind of deal with it by outing Amon as a manipulative monster who never actually meant anything he said ever, except bending being the source of all evil

    my question comes from a lot of people still saying 'well amon had the right idea just for bad reasons'

    Because it was an established point and (possibly out of concern for time?) they didn't hammer at it every episode

    I do sort of agree we aren't shown a resolution for that conflict but it was definitely stated to exist which is where the "amon is right but for bad reasons/is going about it stupid" comes from
    Fair enough

    but for such a big aspect of the backdrop in which the series was based, 'show, don't tell' seems like a valid criticism, and if they were really so pressed for time where they couldn't devote more than a few lines of the narrative to setting up the tone for the entire conflict, then maybe all the comments about pacing hold some water after all.

  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    Rolo wrote: »
    I remember reading a thing with a Nick executive afterwards who claimed that the fans "loved" the hiatus during season three.

    He must be great in bed.

  • Marie AugustMarie August Los Angeles, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    Rolo wrote: »
    I remember reading a thing with a Nick executive afterwards who claimed that the fans "loved" the hiatus during season three.

    What fan "loves" not getting more of a show they like?

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Outside of Tarrlok, it's never actually shown that other members of the council were actually benders or not, regardless of how they voted.
    Doesn't Tarrlok use "us benders" when referring to the council?
    Possibly, but since we see in the flashbacks that there was more than one non-bender council member, current members being all benders doesn't really speak as well to some kind of unbalanced class system at work.

  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    Re Iroh

    Are folks just forgetting that genetics do have the tendency to sometimes make you sound and act similar to your relatives?

    It's really not that uncommon.

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Re Iroh

    Are folks just forgetting that genetics do have the tendency to sometimes make you sound and act similar to your relatives?

    It's really not that uncommon.

    I think it's just jarring for some people

    Is there any reason why they can't sound the same? Of course not. It just felt awkward at first. By the end of the finale, I got used to it.

    But, I mean
    Young Noatok is voiced by young Aang, except a lower tone. Imagine if they sounded the exact same. Again, not horrible, just jarring.

  • Marie AugustMarie August Los Angeles, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Outside of Tarrlok, it's never actually shown that other members of the council were actually benders or not, regardless of how they voted.
    Doesn't Tarrlok use "us benders" when referring to the council?

    Not clear. But even if he did, we know that the council isn't historically made up solely of benders: in Aang's time it was at least 40% non-bender, and very possibly more.

    40%? Where did that number come from?

    The council isn't that big. There are only 5 members composed of representatives from the Earth Kingdom, Fire Nation, Air Nomads, and both the Northern and Southern Water Tribes. Where was there an implication that any of these nations go out of their way to have a non-bender represent them?

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    This is probably gonna get people all riled up

    but I hate that can never speculate on non-heteronormative romances

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Outside of Tarrlok, it's never actually shown that other members of the council were actually benders or not, regardless of how they voted.
    Doesn't Tarrlok use "us benders" when referring to the council?

    Not clear. But even if he did, we know that the council isn't historically made up solely of benders: in Aang's time it was at least 40% non-bender, and very possibly more.

    40%? Where did that number come from?

    The council isn't that big. There are only 5 members composed of representatives from the Earth Kingdom, Fire Nation, Air Nomads, and both the Northern and Southern Water Tribes. Where was there an implication that any of these nations go out of their way to have a non-bender represent them?

    I think that's kind of the idea: that from a political or social standpoint, we're never really shown that there's a dichotomy between benders and non-benders at all.

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Outside of Tarrlok, it's never actually shown that other members of the council were actually benders or not, regardless of how they voted.
    Doesn't Tarrlok use "us benders" when referring to the council?

    Not clear. But even if he did, we know that the council isn't historically made up solely of benders: in Aang's time it was at least 40% non-bender, and very possibly more.[/spoiler]

    40%? The council isn't that big. There are only 5 members composed of representatives from the Earth Kingdom, Fire Nation, Air Nomads, and both the Northern and Southern Water Tribes. Where was there an implication that any of these nations go out of their way to have a non-bender represent them?
    Sokka is a non-bender

    The air acolyte is a non-bender

    2/5 = 40%

    That's all I meant

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Young Noatok is voiced by young Aang, except a lower tone. Imagine if they sounded the exact same. Again, not horrible, just jarring.

    Holy crap I thought that voice sounded familiar. :O

  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Dubh wrote: »
    This is probably gonna get people all riled up

    but I hate that can never speculate on non-heteronormative romances

    i actually just said that like last page

    i don't think there's anyone left on this forum that would get riled up by that, dubh

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  • MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    This is probably gonna get people all riled up

    but I hate that can never speculate on non-heteronormative romances

    yeah, that is annoying.

    Not that i often speculate at relationships, but people think you got some kind of agenda when it's not a straight couple. And that's stupid.

    Cause everyone has an agenda when they couple fictional characters together.

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    This is probably gonna get people all riled up

    but I hate that can never speculate on non-heteronormative romances

    i actually just said that like last page

    i don't think there's anyone left on this forum that would get riled up by that, dubh

    Swordfights is right

    Nickelodeon is still a primarily heteronormative environment

    But there's no particular reason to think that Iroh and Bumi don't get their smooch on, or whatever, even if you know it will never happen in the series

    If you're into the shipping thing, that is

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  • Marie AugustMarie August Los Angeles, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Javen wrote: »
    Young Noatok is voiced by young Aang, except a lower tone. Imagine if they sounded the exact same. Again, not horrible, just jarring.

    Huh, I didn't even notice that. I guess Zuko just has a more memorable voice.

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Young Noatok is voiced by young Aang, except a lower tone. Imagine if they sounded the exact same. Again, not horrible, just jarring.

    Huh, I didn't even notice that. I guess Zuko just has a more memorable voice.
    yeah it didn't register with me either that it was aang's VA

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    This is probably gonna get people all riled up

    but I hate that can never speculate on non-heteronormative romances

    i actually just said that like last page

    i don't think there's anyone left on this forum that would get riled up by that, dubh

    Swordfights is right

    Nickelodeon is still a primarily heteronormative environment

    But there's no particular reason to think that Iroh and Bumi don't get their smooch on, or whatever, even if you know it will never happen in the series

    If you're into the shipping thing, that is

    Gonna assume you mean original Iroh and original Bumi.

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    it's come to the point where I write most my of protagonists as being gay, or bi

    because it's not even close to being stale

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    Crossed Petals: Tales from the White Lotus

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  • Marie AugustMarie August Los Angeles, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    This is probably gonna get people all riled up

    but I hate that can never speculate on non-heteronormative romances

    Speculate all you want. No one is stopping you. :)

    It's just never going to actually happen on the show, so that's inevitably going to be the response anyone gets to bringing up such a pairing.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    This is probably gonna get people all riled up

    but I hate that can never speculate on non-heteronormative romances

    Well I guess it depends on why, and how much context you're basing said speculation on, if any

    If it's just for kicks, sure

    but I think most of the dissenting reactions you'd get would be based on the lack of evidence to back up the speculation.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Maybe I just can't remember any examples, but how many instances of bender/non-bender relations being strained did the series actually portray? The only one I can think of are the mafia style gangs, and maybe the existence of pro-bending? But aside from Tarlock, we were never really given any examples of prominent benders treating non-benders differently, or inferior.

    Outside of Tarrlok, it's never actually shown that other members of the council were actually benders or not, regardless of how they voted.

    If you go to the council chamber on the Republic City interactive thing, it shows the Fire Nation representative bending a little flame.

  • thorgotthorgot there is special providence in the fall of a sparrowRegistered User regular
    edited June 2012
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Crossed Petals: Tales from the White Lotus

    "that's not all i can do with my nose" bumi said gravelly

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    This is probably gonna get people all riled up

    but I hate that can never speculate on non-heteronormative romances

    Well I guess it depends on why, and how much context you're basing said speculation on, if any

    If it's just for kicks, sure

    but I think most of the dissenting reactions you'd get would be based on the lack of evidence to back up the speculation.

    that's part of the problem

    props to Adventure Time, while I'm at it

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    thorgot wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Crossed Petals: Tales from the White Lotus

    "that's not all i can do with my nose" bumi said gravelly

    "Let me show you why they call me the Dragon of the West." Iroh whispered.

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