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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    what is funny is when Canadians think things work a certain way in this country because American TV has told them it does in America (and even that is dubious)

    my instructor in college used to be a Toronto cop, and the number of times people would say they "Plead the Fifth" used to just kill him

    yeah uh

    you don't have that, bud

    You guys don't have a right to not self-incriminate?

    That is pretty bizarre.

    The reason we have it is just it prevents a cycle of ridiculous perjury and protects the sanctity of the witness stand oath. It's so overwhelmingly likely that an accused person will simply lie if put on the stand and asked "DID YOU KILL BOB?" that we just don't bother letting that question be asked of the accused.

    Yeah, they do. It's just not the fifth.

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    I'm sure they get the point across though.

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    Rear Admiral ChocoRear Admiral Choco I wanna be an owl, Jerry! Owl York CityRegistered User regular
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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    what is funny is when Canadians think things work a certain way in this country because American TV has told them it does in America (and even that is dubious)

    my instructor in college used to be a Toronto cop, and the number of times people would say they "Plead the Fifth" used to just kill him

    yeah uh

    you don't have that, bud

    You guys don't have a right to not self-incriminate?

    That is pretty bizarre.

    The reason we have it is just it prevents a cycle of ridiculous perjury and protects the sanctity of the witness stand oath. It's so overwhelmingly likely that an accused person will simply lie if put on the stand and asked "DID YOU KILL BOB?" that we just don't bother letting that question be asked of the accused.

    We have something similar to a right to not self-incriminate but it's obviously not called the Fifth Amendment and it doesn't work like TV tells people it works

    I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure most Americans badly misunderstand how the 5th amendment works. It's not like one of the more... I don't want to say important, but lets say it doesn't come up as often as other amendments like freedom of religion and speech. It's very specific.

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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    To be fair, the fifth doesn't work here the way TV depicts it.

    Don't talk to a cop falls more under the Miranda warning.

    Cinders on
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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    @Arch @Cinders interested in doing a TF in CoX nowish?

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    what is funny is when Canadians think things work a certain way in this country because American TV has told them it does in America (and even that is dubious)

    my instructor in college used to be a Toronto cop, and the number of times people would say they "Plead the Fifth" used to just kill him

    yeah uh

    you don't have that, bud

    You guys don't have a right to not self-incriminate?

    That is pretty bizarre.

    The reason we have it is just it prevents a cycle of ridiculous perjury and protects the sanctity of the witness stand oath. It's so overwhelmingly likely that an accused person will simply lie if put on the stand and asked "DID YOU KILL BOB?" that we just don't bother letting that question be asked of the accused.

    We have something similar to a right to not self-incriminate but it's obviously not called the Fifth Amendment and it doesn't work like TV tells people it works

    Right like "read me my rights", yeah? Sure you've got them but there is only one country that has that and even there it's not exactly like that off TV.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Another example:

    "You got a licence for that gun? Is it registered? Do you have an authorization to transport that weapon?"

    "Man, I got a right to bear arms!"

    "No, you don't. Not in this country, buddy."

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    @Arch @Cinders interested in doing a TF in CoX nowish?

    oh i see how it is

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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    Yeah, sounds good.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Another example:

    "You got a licence for that gun? Is it registered? Do you have an authorization to transport that weapon?"

    "Man, I got a right to bear arms!"

    "No, you don't. Not in this country, buddy."

    There are Canadians who think they have a 2nd amendment-like protection from watching American TV?

    That's hilarious.

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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Another example:

    "You got a licence for that gun? Is it registered? Do you have an authorization to transport that weapon?"

    "Man, I got a right to bear arms!"

    "No, you don't. Not in this country, buddy."

    Depending on the state a cop here could ask these questions and demand answers as well.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    what is funny is when Canadians think things work a certain way in this country because American TV has told them it does in America (and even that is dubious)

    my instructor in college used to be a Toronto cop, and the number of times people would say they "Plead the Fifth" used to just kill him

    yeah uh

    you don't have that, bud

    You guys don't have a right to not self-incriminate?

    That is pretty bizarre.

    The reason we have it is just it prevents a cycle of ridiculous perjury and protects the sanctity of the witness stand oath. It's so overwhelmingly likely that an accused person will simply lie if put on the stand and asked "DID YOU KILL BOB?" that we just don't bother letting that question be asked of the accused.

    We have something similar to a right to not self-incriminate but it's obviously not called the Fifth Amendment and it doesn't work like TV tells people it works

    Right like "read me my rights", yeah? Sure you've got them but there is only one country that has that and even there it's not exactly like that off TV.

    we do have instructions read to arrested parties that are supposed to be done "as soon as reasonable to do so"

    but they're not at all how TV treats Miranda and nor does not being read them act like some kind of get out of jail free card or some bullshit

    I remember back when cops arrested a bunch of the G20 protesters in Toronto I saw a big hullabaloo from the arrested folk about how they weren't "read their rights"

    yeah uh

    that's not how it works, man

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    @Arch @Cinders interested in doing a TF in CoX nowish?

    oh i see how it is

    I thought you were working! Sorry!

    @Pony you are also invited

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Pony wrote: »
    what is funny is when Canadians think things work a certain way in this country because American TV has told them it does in America (and even that is dubious)

    my instructor in college used to be a Toronto cop, and the number of times people would say they "Plead the Fifth" used to just kill him

    yeah uh

    you don't have that, bud

    You didn't read me my rights! The whole arrest is invalid!

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    Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Another example:

    "You got a licence for that gun? Is it registered? Do you have an authorization to transport that weapon?"

    "Man, I got a right to bear arms!"

    "No, you don't. Not in this country, buddy."

    There are Canadians who think they have a 2nd amendment-like protection from watching American TV?

    That's hilarious.

    If it works on Law&Order how can it not work irl? It's based on real stories!

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Damn you Durandal!

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    Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Cinders wrote: »
    To be fair, the fifth doesn't work here the way TV depicts it.

    Don't talk to a cop falls more under the Miranda warning.

    I believe that the Miranda warning is the result of a supreme court ruling which was arrived at through a reading of the 5th amendment.

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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    Arch Cinders interested in doing a TF in CoX nowish?

    oh i see how it is

    I thought you were working! Sorry!

    Pony you are also invited

    I see how it is!

    Though my character is only 10 and I have to get up tomorrow so I couldn't anyways. ;)

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    RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Another example:

    "You got a licence for that gun? Is it registered? Do you have an authorization to transport that weapon?"

    "Man, I got a right to bear arms!"

    "No, you don't. Not in this country, buddy."

    Depending on the state a cop here could ask these questions and demand answers as well.

    "You got a reason that gun is nescessary for the operation of a well regulated militia?"

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Another example:

    "You got a licence for that gun? Is it registered? Do you have an authorization to transport that weapon?"

    "Man, I got a right to bear arms!"

    "No, you don't. Not in this country, buddy."

    There are Canadians who think they have a 2nd amendment-like protection from watching American TV?

    That's hilarious.

    Yes! It's amazing.

    Basically your average Canadian is about as legally and politically informed as your average American

    which is to say not very!

    but the thing is since so much of our media intake is American in origin, when pop cultural knowledge becomes folk knowledge it's not even folk knowledge about the right country and it adds this extra level of hilariously stupid

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    what is funny is when Canadians think things work a certain way in this country because American TV has told them it does in America (and even that is dubious)

    my instructor in college used to be a Toronto cop, and the number of times people would say they "Plead the Fifth" used to just kill him

    yeah uh

    you don't have that, bud

    You guys don't have a right to not self-incriminate?

    That is pretty bizarre.

    The reason we have it is just it prevents a cycle of ridiculous perjury and protects the sanctity of the witness stand oath. It's so overwhelmingly likely that an accused person will simply lie if put on the stand and asked "DID YOU KILL BOB?" that we just don't bother letting that question be asked of the accused.

    We have something similar to a right to not self-incriminate but it's obviously not called the Fifth Amendment and it doesn't work like TV tells people it works

    Right like "read me my rights", yeah? Sure you've got them but there is only one country that has that and even there it's not exactly like that off TV.

    we do have instructions read to arrested parties that are supposed to be done "as soon as reasonable to do so"

    but they're not at all how TV treats Miranda and nor does not being read them act like some kind of get out of jail free card or some bullshit

    Miranda rights aren't how TV treats them here, either.

    Also funny, cops don't have to tell you they're cops. Like, they can lie about that and it still isn't necessarily entrapment. But TV acts like it is.

    So our TV isn't even accurate for laws within the country.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Another example:

    "You got a licence for that gun? Is it registered? Do you have an authorization to transport that weapon?"

    "Man, I got a right to bear arms!"

    "No, you don't. Not in this country, buddy."

    There are Canadians who think they have a 2nd amendment-like protection from watching American TV?

    That's hilarious.

    If it works on Law&Order how can it not work irl? It's based on real stories!

    L&O is set in New York City which has firearms registration laws.

    The characters on that show arrest people for having unregistered guns all the time (usually as a temporary thing while they are working up much more serious charges) and they use firearms licensing registries in just about every single God damn episode to track weapons they think might have been involved in their crime of the week.

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    The police must love whoever created the whole "you have to tell me if you're a cop" thing.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    I mean I know Law & Order and CSI and shit aren't exactly portraying American law accurately to Americans either

    it's just extra funny when things they think they have (Miranda rights, 5th amendment, right to bear arms) are not only misunderstood but do not exist in this country

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    The police must love whoever created the whole "you have to tell me if you're a cop" thing.

    undercover cops love it and there's the joke that they're likely the ones that propagate this myth outside of TV

    i'm reminded of a bit from True Blood where Sookie notices that Bill casts a reflection, and Bill is like "Yeah we made the whole vampires don't cast reflections thing up so that if people thought we were vampires we could show them our reflections and dismiss suspicion"

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
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    Squirminator2kSquirminator2k they/them North Hollywood, CARegistered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Yo.

    Someone want to play Civ with me?

    Still looking for someone? If so, which version?

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    Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Another example:

    "You got a licence for that gun? Is it registered? Do you have an authorization to transport that weapon?"

    "Man, I got a right to bear arms!"

    "No, you don't. Not in this country, buddy."

    There are Canadians who think they have a 2nd amendment-like protection from watching American TV?

    That's hilarious.

    If it works on Law&Order how can it not work irl? It's based on real stories!

    L&O is set in New York City which has firearms registration laws.

    The characters on that show arrest people for having unregistered guns all the time (usually as a temporary thing while they are working up much more serious charges) and they use firearms licensing registries in just about every single God damn episode to track weapons they think might have been involved in their crime of the week.

    And every gun has a checkered past, unless they filed off the serial number. I miss old L&O episodes.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    i'm gonna go play CoX, you guys can come with

    except jeeps, he can go play Champions

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    RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    @Winky

    hell with it. Finished eating dinner and I'd be down for some Civ5.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    I mean I know Law & Order and CSI and shit aren't exactly portraying American law accurately to Americans either

    it's just extra funny when things they think they have (Miranda rights, 5th amendment, right to bear arms) are not only misunderstood but do not exist in this country

    They are inaccurate but I don't think they portray the law horribly inaccurately as a matter of course.

    Like most TV shows, the writers try to get it right as much as they can within the constraints of their lay knowledge and limited research.

    Crime dramas are much worse about the way they portray technology than the way they present the law.

    For example, many Law and Order episodes have pointed out explicitly that police are allowed to lie. They turn business owners of illegal businesses so that they can set up a non-entrapment sting. Because just opening a brothel is entrapment, but if there is already a brothel and you stick cops in it to catch people; not entrapment. They play fast and loose with questioning people and sometimes it bites them in the ass, but sometimes they cheat and nail criminals to the wall. Other times they get their pee-pees smacked and their evidence thrown out.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited July 2012
    Pony wrote: »
    I mean I know Law & Order and CSI and shit aren't exactly portraying American law accurately to Americans either

    it's just extra funny when things they think they have (Miranda rights, 5th amendment, right to bear arms) are not only misunderstood but do not exist in this country

    It's too bad some other country's legal shows aren't prevalent in the U.S.

    I think it would be highly entertaining for people being arrested on COPS to be screaming for their solicitor.

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I mean I know Law & Order and CSI and shit aren't exactly portraying American law accurately to Americans either

    it's just extra funny when things they think they have (Miranda rights, 5th amendment, right to bear arms) are not only misunderstood but do not exist in this country

    It's too bad some other country's legal shows aren't prevalent in the U.S.

    I think it would be highly entertaining for people being arrested on COPS to be screaming for their solicitor.
    what if you're being arrested for solicitation

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I mean I know Law & Order and CSI and shit aren't exactly portraying American law accurately to Americans either

    it's just extra funny when things they think they have (Miranda rights, 5th amendment, right to bear arms) are not only misunderstood but do not exist in this country

    It's too bad some other country's legal shows aren't prevalent in the U.S.

    I think it would be highly entertaining for people being arrested on COPS to be screaming for their solicitor.

    yeah outside of like

    Flashpoint

    do Canadian police shows even play in the US?

    we have them

    they're mostly on Showcase and the CBC

    but they do exist

    i just don't know if they play anywhere but here

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    The police must love whoever created the whole "you have to tell me if you're a cop" thing.

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