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The American Presidency Battle Royale: Coliseum Edition

AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
edited August 2012 in Debate and/or Discourse
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This is not a thread about the current war of ideologies waging war for the Presidency.

This is a thread about hypothetically putting the 43 men to hold the highest elective office in the United States into an arena, and seeing which one comes out alive. In short, which President is the meanest, most ornery, most murderous son of a bitch to hold the office?

First, the rules, as laid out by the Reddit thread that started this:
* Every president is in the best physical and mental condition they were ever in throughout the course of their presidency. Fatal maladies have been cured, but any lifelong conditions or chronic illnesses (e.g. FDR’s polio) remain.
** Hedgie's note: Please note the bolded part. They're in the best shape that they were in during their term (which more or less means the shape they were in when they first took the oath of office.)
* The presidents are fighting in an ovular arena 287 feet long and 180 feet wide (the dimensions of the Roman Colosseum). The floor is concrete. Assume that weather is not a factor.
** Hedgie's note: To clarify the weather, assume ambient temperature of 70F, low humidity, and sunny yet overcast (so no direct sun on the arena floor.)
* Each president has been given one standard-issue Gerber LHR Combat Knife , the knife presented to each graduate of the United States Army Special Forces Qualification Course. Assume the presidents have no training outside any combat experiences they may have had in their own lives.
* There is no penalty for avoiding combat for an extended period of time. Hiding and/or playing dead could be valid strategies, but there can be only one winner. The melee will go on as long as it needs to.
* FDR has been outfitted with a Bound Plus H-Frame Power Wheelchair, and can travel at a maximum speed of around 11.5 MPH. The wheelchair has been customized so that he is holding his knife with his dominant hand. This is to compensate for his almost certain and immediate defeat in the face of an overwhelming disadvantage.
* Each president will be deposited in the arena regardless of their own will to fight, however, personal ethics, leadership ability, tactical expertise etc., should all be taken into account. Alliances are allowed.

I'm going to add one more rule:
* Every President is issued the day prior to the battle a dossier containing historical data on all 43 Presidents. This is to counterbalance the earlier Presidents not knowing much about their later opponents.

So I ask you - who do you think will win the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Presidential Destiny?

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    It will always be TR.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    It will always be TR.

    I don't know. There's a few other Presidents that could give him a run for his money, like Washington, Jackson, Taylor, Lincoln...

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    You always go with the big-game hunter. Andrew Jackson would come in second, but he'd be too busy racking up a body count and Teddy would jump him sooner or later.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Gosling wrote: »
    You always go with the big-game hunter. Andrew Jackson would come in second, but he'd be too busy racking up a body count and Teddy would jump him sooner or later.
    So who do you see being the first body to hit the floor?

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    Lincoln's got the reach but Jackson has the heart of a killer

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Hachface wrote: »
    Lincoln's got the reach but Jackson has the heart of a killer

    Yeah, Old Hickory would definitely rack up the body count. One of my favorite comments regarding him and John Tyler:
    Five minutes into the scrap, people would ask each other, “Who was that again? Why is Jackson wearing his scalp as a beret?”

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Yeah, it would be good ol' Teddy, then Andrew Jackson.

    Washington actually stated something like that he enjoyed the sound of bullets whizzing by his ear... The fact that he survived the American Revolution is an amazing piece of luck, but Jacson would put him down.

    And the first to go down would be "Big Bill" William Howard Taft, who was not big bill and I'm an idiot.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    On second thought, if enough contenders read the historical dossiers with due diligence the only rational choice would be to form a temporary alliance to put Jackson down post haste. He would be in the first ten dead, although he would assuredly take the other nine motherfuckers screaming to hell with him.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Big Bill was actually McKinley. Also yeah, I was thinking Jackson, because of the straightup murder-crazy

  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Big Bill was actually McKinley. Also yeah, I was thinking Jackson, because of the straightup murder-crazy
    Oh shit he was


    Either way, the fat one


    Which one was the fat one?

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Khavall wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Big Bill was actually McKinley. Also yeah, I was thinking Jackson, because of the straightup murder-crazy
    Oh shit he was


    Either way, the fat one


    Which one was the fat one?

    That was Taft.

  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Big Bill was actually McKinley. Also yeah, I was thinking Jackson, because of the straightup murder-crazy
    Oh shit he was


    Either way, the fat one


    Which one was the fat one?

    That was Taft.

    Allright, then I was right that Taft would be first to go down.

  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    I was going to say Nixon but then I saw the part about historical information. Still think he'd have a shot.

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Ike would organize the weaker Presidents and, banded together, they would strategically remove the big dogs from the field.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    I've got Washington. Dude was super tall so he's got the reach, was a badass, and was preternaturally lucky. I think that counts for a lot here.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    I'm pretty sure Grant would burn FDR's wheelchair to the ground

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
  • Tiger BurningTiger Burning Dig if you will, the pictureRegistered User, SolidSaints Tube regular
    Curtain goes up. 43 sets of eyes turn to Obama, eyebrows raised.

    Obama: Well, shit.

    Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with
  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    edited August 2012
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  • Tiger BurningTiger Burning Dig if you will, the pictureRegistered User, SolidSaints Tube regular
    Teddy gets it based not only on personal combat experience but also youth. He was only 42 when elected. Washington was 56 or 58, and those were harder years.

    Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with
  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    Yeah but Washington has fake teeth

    And you know what THOSE things can do

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    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    TR wins. Always.

    In his aged age the Amazon rainforest couldn't beat him.

    Forty odd old white dudes and Obama don't have a shot.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    I'm really imaging this more as out in the middle of the jungle

    Teddy Roosevelt strolls into a clearing carrying an elephant gun, sniffs the air to detect the faint but unmistakable odor of brylcreem and examines the tracks left behind by a pair of black leather dress shoes

    "Ah yes... Presidents... The most dangerous game..."

    Contest is to see who actually manages to get away from the great white hunter

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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Benjamin Harrison is last to die, solely because everyone else has forgotten his existence.

  • Tiger BurningTiger Burning Dig if you will, the pictureRegistered User, SolidSaints Tube regular
    Bell rings..

    Kennedy and Nixon just go right at each other like no one else is there.

    Taft does a King Hippo belly flop onto Cool Cal Coolidge, crushing him.

    Gerald Ford trips and impales himself.

    Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Benjamin Harrison is last to die, solely because everyone else has forgotten his existence.

    TR kills him of loneliness.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    It will always be TR.

    Always. Always and forever.

  • Tiger BurningTiger Burning Dig if you will, the pictureRegistered User, SolidSaints Tube regular
    I guess the first three might last a while. What American president would attack one of them? Maybe one of the early - but not that early - ones.

    Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Theodore would kill them by conducting science the way he always did.
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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    TR was shot in the chest while he was giving a speech. Instead of immediately going to the hospital, he continued reading his speech at the podium until he finished. And then he clicked his heels together and yelled, "Bully!"

  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    I vote for Thomas Jefferson

    According to HBO, dude knows his way around a battlefield

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    Kana on
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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    I don't think either TR or Jackson would be the last man standing due to the crucial alliance factor. But if it came down to TR vs. Jackson, I have to give it to Jackson. We need to look at the intangibles here: TR can kill a wild animal like no other, but in his heart of hearts he has a deep and abiding love for humanity that would slow his hand. Meanwhile, Jackson is entirely unburdened by conscience.

  • Mad King GeorgeMad King George Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Theodore would kill them by conducting science the way he always did.
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    [pratchett]Teddy Roosevelt did a lot for rare species. For one thing, he kept them rare.[/pratchett]

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Hachface wrote: »
    I don't think either TR or Jackson would be the last man standing due to the crucial alliance factor. But if it came down to TR vs. Jackson, I have to give it to Jackson. We need to look at the intangibles here: TR can kill a wild animal like no other, but in his heart of hearts he has a deep and abiding love for humanity that would slow his hand. Meanwhile, Jackson is entirely unburdened by conscience.

    The corpses on San Juan Hill disagree.

  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Hachface wrote: »
    I don't think either TR or Jackson would be the last man standing due to the crucial alliance factor. But if it came down to TR vs. Jackson, I have to give it to Jackson. We need to look at the intangibles here: TR can kill a wild animal like no other, but in his heart of hearts he has a deep and abiding love for humanity that would slow his hand. Meanwhile, Jackson is entirely unburdened by conscience.

    Jackson was in his 60s when he was president. Oddly enough, both Teddy and Jackson were somewhat sickly men despite being professional badasses, but that's going to affect a man in his 60s a hell of a lot more than a man in his 40s.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Quid wrote: »
    Theodore would kill them by conducting science the way he always did.
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    "Through extensive bullet-based scientific research, I have determined this species is, in fact, shootable."

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Theodore would kill them by conducting science the way he always did.
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    "Through extensive bullet-based scientific research, I have determined this species is, in fact, killable."

    The man was for his generation what Stephen Hawking is for ours.

  • Mad King GeorgeMad King George Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Theodore would kill them by conducting science the way he always did.
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    "Through extensive bullet-based scientific research, I have determined this species is, in fact, killable."

    The man was for his generation what Stephen Hawking is for ours.

    A boss at getting the ladies:

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    I'm putting Harrison down as first to die. The healthiest he was during his term, he was still dying of pneumonia, and assuming the presidents are put around the circle by numerical order, he's right next to Jackson The Ripper.

  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    I'm putting Harrison down as first to die. The healthiest he was during his term, he was still dying of pneumonia, and assuming the presidents are put around the circle by numerical order, he's right next to Jackson The Ripper.

    I disagree. He was a healthy enough guy until he got pneumonia. He got that from his inauguration, standing out in the freezing cold and pouring rain. So it's a safe assumption his healthiest is at his inauguration, before the pneumonia would've had any effects. The only way it becomes an issue is if he survives a few days for the illness to take effect, and given that this is just a small arena, it's fair to say the fight will be over before that's an issue.

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