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[PA Comic] Monday, October 8, 2012 - The One-Oh-Furst, Part Two
Please no Furrys here. So far Penny Arcade was very Furry-clean, even a bit anti-Furry in some strips.
(Or Otherkin. Or whatever. I dont keep track of that shit)
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DVGNo. 1 Honor StudentNether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered Userregular
I gotta say, I didn't get it on Friday, and now I think it's one of the funniest things they've done in a really long time.
This is probably because I am a weird person, but I found the strip kind of heartwarming.
"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes to make it possible." - T.E. Lawrence
Honestly, you probably could find some similar sketches along those lines by soldiers in WWII. It's not like anthropomorphised animal characters weren't around before then, even semi-realistic looking ones. Just not much evidence of extreme furry fandom or especially "otherkinness" since that probably requires a support structure of likeminded people to be really overt about, or consider more than a passing fancy. Humans have dreamed of being birds and such probably forever, it's just not usually taken seriously in everyday life.
Someone familiar with this aspect of the fandom tell me, though: What kind of cognitive dissonance makes anyone think they look good in a fursuit instead of like uncanny-valley aesthetic monstrosities? Is it just wishful thinking because that's the closest we can get with current technology, or what?
I think we should go all the way with science and technology and have half human/half animal hybrids everywhere. They could even have their own dating website. Let's call it bluejaydate.
I think we should go all the way with science and technology and have half human/half animal hybrids everywhere. They could even have their own dating website. Let's call it bluejaydate.
Furries got an appreciation for the anthropomorphic that commonly borders on the fetishistic. Draw your own conclusions, but this comic ain't covering that.
Otherkin think they are X animal in the body of a human. While I try to live and let live, I can't help but think it undermines the efforts of actual trans people with legitimate problems.
I'd probably make an exception for a World War 2 vet. Dude can be a raccoon if he wants.
This is such a perfect portrayal of the thing about furries:
"Okay. For the sake of argument lets just say all of that is true...what the fuck do I do with this information?"
Stop confusing furries for otherkin.
Furries LIKE anthropomorphic animals, otherkins think they ARE one.
Dude can be a raccoon if he wants.
If you fight in the trenches for our country and freedom, you can be whatever you want.
I think we should go all the way with science and technology and have half human/half animal hybrids everywhere.
Well there are those robotic cat ears in japan..
Someone familiar with this aspect of the fandom tell me, though: What kind of cognitive dissonance makes anyone think they look good in a fursuit instead of like uncanny-valley aesthetic monstrosities? Is it just wishful thinking because that's the closest we can get with current technology, or what?
Why do people dress up as anime/video game characters at conventions?
They made the outfit, they want to show it off. You seem to be likening artistic pride with some kind of mental illness.
They have an affinity for anthropomorphic animals, they made up a character, and they made a costume of that character. What you're seeing is exhibition of that costume, nothing more.
The only difference between that and my example is the content is their own intellectual property, not something that escaped from japan or a console.
I'm glad there aren't furries in real life sometimes, do you know how expensive it would be manufacturing all that custom headgear?
There's privately-owned sites that make custom headwear, tails, even suits for those that lack the resources or know-how.
Finally, my own input on the comic:
On panel 2 he says "We ain't ALL men!" but he still thinks he's a guy right? That means he's a man.
The correct way to contest that statement is if the Sarge said "fighting people". Cuz he isn't a people, he's a raccoon.
On panel 2 he says "We ain't ALL men!" but he still thinks he's a guy right? That means he's a man.
The correct way to contest that statement is if the Sarge said "fighting people". Cuz he isn't a people, he's a raccoon.
Silly argument, I know. Jus' sayin.
Males of other species aren't called "men". Bulls, roosters, rams, etc. I can't find a verifiable source on what a male raccoon is called but wiki.answers says it's "boar".
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This is a heartwarming one. I think "I don't rightly know what you want done with this here information" more or less paraphrases what I had to say in a very awkward conversation much like this some years ago.
This is a heartwarming one. I think "I don't rightly know what you want done with this here information" more or less paraphrases what I had to say in a very awkward conversation much like this some years ago.
I feel blessed that such a situation hasn't come up where I needed to use that phrase.
I feel like I missed a step or a dozen with this furries vs. otherkin thing. Last I checked (okay, maybe that was like a decade ago) furries were just anthropomorphic enthusiasts with "fursonas." Pretty much kids who played Sonic Adventure and had fan characters.
But yeah the comic is great. The satire is outstanding and 100% of not-frank's responses are really amusing.
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I love this one so much. "I don't rightly know..." so perfectly sums up how I feel when confronted with this.
I'm inclined to guess you want me to do something with this information, or you wouldn't have told me. But I have no idea what to do with it.
you're = you are
your = belonging to you
their = belonging to them
there = not here
they're = they are
Otherkin think they are X animal in the body of a human. While I try to live and let live, I can't help but think it undermines the efforts of actual trans people with legitimate problems.
The realpolitk pragmatist in me agrees, but at the same time I just don't see why their belief should be any more denigrated than a person who's transgender. I don't know what goes on inside an otherkin's head, who am I to judge how legitimate their problems are? Beyond the obvious social stigma trans people suffer - I think Otherkin are so uncommon that they suffer less stigmatization by merit of obscurity.
I love this one so much. "I don't rightly know..." so perfectly sums up how I feel when confronted with this.
I'm inclined to guess you want me to do something with this information, or you wouldn't have told me. But I have no idea what to do with it.
Most of the time people who talk to me about their identity issues are just looking for acceptance. Assuming you're already friends with them they're hoping that you, as their friend, will be able to help them feel more confident about asserting their identity in the world.
Believing you were born in the wrong body is a serious issue and can lead to depression and myriad other mental problems and obstacles. With gender it's something that can be kind of patchworked into place, but if you believe you were born the wrong species there's not a whole lot to be done about it.
I don't pretend to understand, really, but I'm not going to begrudge a guy who thinks he's a dog in a human's body provided he doesn't try to eat my cat.
Someone familiar with this aspect of the fandom tell me, though: What kind of cognitive dissonance makes anyone think they look good in a fursuit instead of like uncanny-valley aesthetic monstrosities? Is it just wishful thinking because that's the closest we can get with current technology, or what?
Why do people dress up as anime/video game characters at conventions?
They made the outfit, they want to show it off. You seem to be likening artistic pride with some kind of mental illness.
Except they seem to universally look terrible, and I'm not sure whether they're aware of that and don't care because it's as close as they can get, or they actually think it looks good. The equivalent for anime fans would be this type of thing I suppose, which I also don't get.
Look, I think the new My Little Pony is a fun cartoon. I would still run screaming in the other direction if I met this in a darkened hallway. I just want someone to tell me what goes on in these people's heads when they look in the mirror, out of curiosity.
Look, I think the new My Little Pony is a fun cartoon. I would still run screaming in the other direction if I met this in a darkened hallway. I just want someone to tell me what goes on in these people's heads when they look in the mirror, out of curiosity.
From the decorations behind him (her?) it looks like it's a Halloween costume, so "I want to run screaming" is probably the best reaction you could have!
I love how absolutely alien this situation is to Not-Frank. Like, I imagine he finds that newfangled music from the jook joints to be kinda crazy, but he doesn't even have a context for this development. Oh, also, Barnabus Quimbly Ringtail is a fantastic fursona name.
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(Or Otherkin. Or whatever. I dont keep track of that shit)
EDIT: I don't rightly know what you want done with this here information made me bust out laughing. It's like the only reasonable response.
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"Okay. For the sake of argument lets just say all of that is true...what the fuck do I do with this information?"
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Someone familiar with this aspect of the fandom tell me, though: What kind of cognitive dissonance makes anyone think they look good in a fursuit instead of like uncanny-valley aesthetic monstrosities? Is it just wishful thinking because that's the closest we can get with current technology, or what?
It's extremely heartwarming!
He's confused, but he wants to be there for his buddy!
This works so well with your avatar...
Furries got an appreciation for the anthropomorphic that commonly borders on the fetishistic. Draw your own conclusions, but this comic ain't covering that.
Otherkin think they are X animal in the body of a human. While I try to live and let live, I can't help but think it undermines the efforts of actual trans people with legitimate problems.
I'd probably make an exception for a World War 2 vet. Dude can be a raccoon if he wants.
Stop confusing furries for otherkin.
Furries LIKE anthropomorphic animals, otherkins think they ARE one.
If you fight in the trenches for our country and freedom, you can be whatever you want.
Well there are those robotic cat ears in japan..
Why do people dress up as anime/video game characters at conventions?
They made the outfit, they want to show it off. You seem to be likening artistic pride with some kind of mental illness.
They have an affinity for anthropomorphic animals, they made up a character, and they made a costume of that character. What you're seeing is exhibition of that costume, nothing more.
The only difference between that and my example is the content is their own intellectual property, not something that escaped from japan or a console.
There's privately-owned sites that make custom headwear, tails, even suits for those that lack the resources or know-how.
Finally, my own input on the comic:
On panel 2 he says "We ain't ALL men!" but he still thinks he's a guy right? That means he's a man.
The correct way to contest that statement is if the Sarge said "fighting people". Cuz he isn't a people, he's a raccoon.
Silly argument, I know. Jus' sayin.
Males of other species aren't called "men". Bulls, roosters, rams, etc. I can't find a verifiable source on what a male raccoon is called but wiki.answers says it's "boar".
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I feel blessed that such a situation hasn't come up where I needed to use that phrase.
But yeah the comic is great. The satire is outstanding and 100% of not-frank's responses are really amusing.
I'm inclined to guess you want me to do something with this information, or you wouldn't have told me. But I have no idea what to do with it.
your = belonging to you
their = belonging to them
there = not here
they're = they are
The realpolitk pragmatist in me agrees, but at the same time I just don't see why their belief should be any more denigrated than a person who's transgender. I don't know what goes on inside an otherkin's head, who am I to judge how legitimate their problems are? Beyond the obvious social stigma trans people suffer - I think Otherkin are so uncommon that they suffer less stigmatization by merit of obscurity.
Most of the time people who talk to me about their identity issues are just looking for acceptance. Assuming you're already friends with them they're hoping that you, as their friend, will be able to help them feel more confident about asserting their identity in the world.
I don't pretend to understand, really, but I'm not going to begrudge a guy who thinks he's a dog in a human's body provided he doesn't try to eat my cat.
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Except they seem to universally look terrible, and I'm not sure whether they're aware of that and don't care because it's as close as they can get, or they actually think it looks good. The equivalent for anime fans would be this type of thing I suppose, which I also don't get.
Look, I think the new My Little Pony is a fun cartoon. I would still run screaming in the other direction if I met this in a darkened hallway. I just want someone to tell me what goes on in these people's heads when they look in the mirror, out of curiosity.
I'm me-kin.
I'm me, trapped in my body.
It's pretty sweet.
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