SkeleVaderYour Friendly Dark Lord of DestructionRegistered Userregular
The problem with putting the checkerboard coloring into the hex grid is that it doesn't work out the same. With a four sided shape, a light and dark scheme works well. When you have a six sided shape that light and dark scheme doesn't work.
If you have and idea to make it work, please let me know.
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SkeleVaderYour Friendly Dark Lord of DestructionRegistered Userregular
Here is a texture wheel that PCC sent me:
we could use some of those for the Hex tiles, but honestly I think the checkerboard would still look the best.
Got one last year, will get one this year. Meeple V03 looks good, though to me it seems a bit off - it's like it's going to tip over. Maybe it's a bit too thick or angled too much?
Also liking Sorry V01.
Just read the the whole thread to play catch up on this year's PAX Prime coin planning, and I've got to put in my vote for Meeple V03. I really like the way the checkerboard looks on the coin.
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I'd have to vote for Meeple V5, but with a bit smaller hex grid.
While the checkerboard looks "better," that might just be because it's more familiar and easier to recognize at a larger grid size. However, as an avid board gamer, the checkerboard (and the Sorry piece) represent everything tabletop gamers have been trying to get away from. My gaming group's public Meetup page has pictures and descriptions of us playing Android, Twilight Imperium III, Eclipse, and so on, yet every other profile from new people wanting to join is "Monopoly/Scrabble/Uno is my favorite game." In as much as Video Gaming has matured over the last two console generations, so has tabletop, and I just think that hexes are far more representative of that. /rant
I'd have to vote for Meeple V5, but with a bit smaller hex grid.
While the checkerboard looks "better," that might just be because it's more familiar and easier to recognize at a larger grid size. However, as an avid board gamer, the checkerboard (and the Sorry piece) represent everything tabletop gamers have been trying to get away from. My gaming group's public Meetup page has pictures and descriptions of us playing Android, Twilight Imperium III, Eclipse, and so on, yet every other profile from new people wanting to join is "Monopoly/Scrabble/Uno is my favorite game." In as much as Video Gaming has matured over the last two console generations, so has tabletop, and I just think that hexes are far more representative of that. /rant
On the one hand, I totally agree with your reasoning. Tabletop ~is~ much more than the "mainstream classics", and there's a part of me that would love for the coin to represent that.
On the other hand, aesthetics matter a great deal with a collector's item like this, and simplicity trumps many things when crafting a coin, due to the limits imposed by the nature of the thing (in particular, the limitations in 'differentiation' between different areas of the coin; your tools are basically 'raised' and 'recessed'). On that side of things, the simpler board simply works better - though that may simply be that no one has yet come up with the 'right' way to do a hex board; I'd be more than happy to eat crow (or, rather, some sort of soy- or seitan-based crow substitute =P) if someone hits on a good way to represent one.
And a counterpoint on the first hand...while tabletop is much more than those basic games...they're a part of it too, a part of the heritage. To entirely dismiss them because tabletop has matured to be much more, is as silly an idea IMO as to dismiss Zork et al because video gaming has matured to be so much more than them.
@Lockeout I had never seen or heard of a meeple before :P I don't think it's exactly a universal sign. That said I do agree with you about the battlestar pieces, unless Serenity meant a raider or a viper
@Lockeout I had never seen or heard of a meeple before :P I don't think it's exactly a universal sign. That said I do agree with you about the battlestar pieces, unless Serenity meant a raider or a viper
Maybe not universal outside of board game groups, but just off the top of my head games with Meeples played in my group in just the last few months: Fresco (painter Meeples), Village (generations of Meeples), Carson City (cowboy Meeples), Tammany Hall (ward boss Meeples), Lords of Waterdeep (D&D Meeples), and of course Carcassonne (the original Meeple).
It's as close to universal you can get outside of dice.
To add to what I said above, it didn't even dawn on me, but none of those games I mentioned even use dice at all. In modern games, especially Euro style, the Meeple has, to a large degree, replaced dice as a dominant playing mechanic.
To add to what I said above, it didn't even dawn on me, but none of those games I mentioned even use dice at all. In modern games, especially Euro style, the Meeple has, to a large degree, replaced dice as a dominant playing mechanic.
Out of curiousity, are Meeples ever sold separately from any game? Do they come packaged with those games? Or are you just reusing the figures from Carcassonne? Again, I have very limited experience with board games, and only know about Meeples through reading about Carcassonne so you'll have to enlighten me. :P
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To add to what I said above, it didn't even dawn on me, but none of those games I mentioned even use dice at all. In modern games, especially Euro style, the Meeple has, to a large degree, replaced dice as a dominant playing mechanic.
Out of curiousity, are Meeples ever sold separately from any game? Do they come packaged with those games? Or are you just reusing the figures from Carcassonne? Again, I have very limited experience with board games, and only know about Meeples through reading about Carcassonne so you'll have to enlighten me. :P
Games that use Meeples come with their own, sometimes with a slight variation in design (like the cowboy Meeples for Carson City). An interesting trend in board game modding is to sculpt custom variants of Meeples and actually add them to games that don't come with them, if they use a similar action/worker placement mechanic.
@Lockeout I had never seen or heard of a meeple before :P I don't think it's exactly a universal sign. That said I do agree with you about the battlestar pieces, unless Serenity meant a raider or a viper
Haha yeah should have been more specific but yeah I meant a raider or a viper.
It would obviously have to be a outline of the piece but they do have a very distinctive shape to them.
The problem with putting the checkerboard coloring into the hex grid is that it doesn't work out the same. With a four sided shape, a light and dark scheme works well. When you have a six sided shape that light and dark scheme doesn't work.
If you have and idea to make it work, please let me know.
How about a soccerball pattern? Shaded hexes surrounded by light hexes?
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SkeleVaderYour Friendly Dark Lord of DestructionRegistered Userregular
Here is an update:
Meeple V06
Meeple V07
(The perspective may be a little off still, but you get the idea of what it looks like.)
Let me know if you like the way either of these Hex patterns look.
I think we have reached the point where it is time to decide the general look of the front. Once I get some feedback on the hex pattern above, I will post the voting.
After we decide the general look we will finalize the numbers on the dice.
Honestly, I really like the hex pattern for Meeble v07. I think it is a nice blend between the "3D" checkerboard pattern but with a grid layout. :^:
That being said, I do think the d20 looks rather naked having just a single number on it. Especially compared to the D6 which has marks on all 3 visible sides. I think it would look much more natural with the rest of it's numbers on the faces.
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Honestly, I really like the hex pattern for Meeble v07. I think it is a nice blend between the "3D" checkerboard pattern but with a grid layout. :^:
That being said, I do think the d20 looks rather naked having just a single number on it. Especially compared to the D6 which has marks on all 3 visible sides. I think it would look much more natural with the rest of it's numbers on the faces.
The numbers will be added, I have just been focusing on the background first.
I like the depth on Meeple v07. I don't know if it's intentional or if anyone else pointed it out, but given the standard d20 layout it's implied that the number rolled on that die will be 13, which I'm in favor of as well.
I like the depth on Meeple v07. I don't know if it's intentional or if anyone else pointed it out, but given the standard d20 layout it's implied that the number rolled on that die will be 13, which I'm in favor of as well.
Yes, the D20 that I took a picture of for that mock up had 13 on top by no accident.
V07 looks great - I agree with Zerhul that it might be difficult for the coin makers to make look good (you may have to alter the perspective so the grid doesn't get quite that small in the back), but if they can do it I think it really does a great job of showing the "tabletop" idea. Even to people think of tabletop as "Monopoly" or "PayDay".
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If you have and idea to make it work, please let me know.
we could use some of those for the Hex tiles, but honestly I think the checkerboard would still look the best.
I would have to agree.
Meeple V03 gets my vote!
Also liking Sorry V01.
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While the checkerboard looks "better," that might just be because it's more familiar and easier to recognize at a larger grid size. However, as an avid board gamer, the checkerboard (and the Sorry piece) represent everything tabletop gamers have been trying to get away from. My gaming group's public Meetup page has pictures and descriptions of us playing Android, Twilight Imperium III, Eclipse, and so on, yet every other profile from new people wanting to join is "Monopoly/Scrabble/Uno is my favorite game." In as much as Video Gaming has matured over the last two console generations, so has tabletop, and I just think that hexes are far more representative of that. /rant
On the one hand, I totally agree with your reasoning. Tabletop ~is~ much more than the "mainstream classics", and there's a part of me that would love for the coin to represent that.
On the other hand, aesthetics matter a great deal with a collector's item like this, and simplicity trumps many things when crafting a coin, due to the limits imposed by the nature of the thing (in particular, the limitations in 'differentiation' between different areas of the coin; your tools are basically 'raised' and 'recessed'). On that side of things, the simpler board simply works better - though that may simply be that no one has yet come up with the 'right' way to do a hex board; I'd be more than happy to eat crow (or, rather, some sort of soy- or seitan-based crow substitute =P) if someone hits on a good way to represent one.
And a counterpoint on the first hand...while tabletop is much more than those basic games...they're a part of it too, a part of the heritage. To entirely dismiss them because tabletop has matured to be much more, is as silly an idea IMO as to dismiss Zork et al because video gaming has matured to be so much more than them.
But that's just my 2 cents $22.37. =P
My vote is for Meeple V03.
Checkerboard works really well I think.
May be too late for this suggestion but how about a Battlestar Gallactica game piece instead?
While BSG is a great game, its pieces are just cardboard standouts of the characters; the Meeple is a universal sign of board games.
It's as close to universal you can get outside of dice.
Out of curiousity, are Meeples ever sold separately from any game? Do they come packaged with those games? Or are you just reusing the figures from Carcassonne? Again, I have very limited experience with board games, and only know about Meeples through reading about Carcassonne so you'll have to enlighten me. :P
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Games that use Meeples come with their own, sometimes with a slight variation in design (like the cowboy Meeples for Carson City). An interesting trend in board game modding is to sculpt custom variants of Meeples and actually add them to games that don't come with them, if they use a similar action/worker placement mechanic.
Haha yeah should have been more specific but yeah I meant a raider or a viper.
It would obviously have to be a outline of the piece but they do have a very distinctive shape to them.
Prime 2012- Melisandre (GoT)
Prime 2013- Regular nerd attire
Prime 2014- Aurin Esper from WIldstar + Vintage Chell
Prime 2015- Splatoon Inkling + Dream Sequence Bee + Aurin Esper + Vintage Chell
Prime2016- Handmade nerdy dresses (cosplay break)
How about a soccerball pattern? Shaded hexes surrounded by light hexes?
Meeple V06
Meeple V07
(The perspective may be a little off still, but you get the idea of what it looks like.)
Let me know if you like the way either of these Hex patterns look.
I think we have reached the point where it is time to decide the general look of the front. Once I get some feedback on the hex pattern above, I will post the voting.
After we decide the general look we will finalize the numbers on the dice.
That being said, I do think the d20 looks rather naked having just a single number on it. Especially compared to the D6 which has marks on all 3 visible sides. I think it would look much more natural with the rest of it's numbers on the faces.
Enforced: West 2015, West 2016
The numbers will be added, I have just been focusing on the background first.
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Yes, the D20 that I took a picture of for that mock up had 13 on top by no accident.
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