I have always seen math as the purest and most perfect expression of logocentric thought?
If I understand you correctly, I think that way isn't well thought of anymore. When I was learning math it was all based on the notion that there is absolutely no claim whatsoever that any mathematical concept is a-priori. It is all based on postulates which are not proven. If you accept the postulates underlying a given theorem then the theorem itself is guaranteed to be true but no claims are made that the postulates have any independent truth or existence of their own.
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I think it also cannot be overstated that Pythagoras was basically Time Cube guy circa 500BC.
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
Sexually progressive cultures gave us mathematics, literature, philosophy, civilization and the rest, while sexually restrictive cultures gave us the Dark Ages and the Holocaust. Not that I’m trying to load my argument, of course.
I had no idea that anyone knew anything about sexual politics in Uruk period Mesopotamia.
While that quote is obviously loaded, I didn't think that the mesopotamian cultures and egyptians can be credited with inventing mathematics "proper." like, the egyptians knew about calculating triangles from the nile flooding and stuff like that but didn't make the necessary abstraction of "a^2+b^2=c^2 necessarily"
Its just kind of a silly statement. The Greeks condoned casual child rape. The Islamic nations that invented much of mathematics have never been "sexually progressive." In China advanced mathematics was developed by followers of a moralistic school of philosophers. Sexual progressiveness is no more logically linked to rational advancement than speaking Greek or Latin.
"Culture X has attribute A. Culture Y has attribute 'A. Therefore A causes output(X)" is fallacious, lazy and glib.
oh yeah, one thing i found weird about Star Trek into Darkness
dunno if it's a spoiler, it's really a minor background detail...
There's a fucking robot dude on the Bridge... what the fuck was that about?
Maybe meant to be
Like a proto-Data ?
Yeah, but that doesn't work, doesn't it?
Data is supposed to be the first self-aware android to serve in Starfleet, no? I dunno, I didn't watch a lot of Star Trek. But from what i saw, Data was considered "Pretty fuckin' special" (That's technical jargon). You'd think they wouldn't have Data-class robots in that era!
Well, possibly
what's special about Data is that he's self-aware, but that doesn't mean earlier ships couldn't have had robot/cyborg crew members that were more like automatons.
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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I have always seen math as the purest and most perfect expression of logocentric thought?
Certain fields, yes
But it also seems very good at dealing with functions that have objects that are not "logocentric"
partial differential equations and all that good shit
I'm going to disagree with that sort of! The very nature of differential calculus seems, to me, to be the attempt to reconcile various infinities and other quantitatively difficult concepts within a system of representation that is purely based on division, rigid definition, etc. It manages to apprehend through approximation, almost like creating an image using negative space, using interation to narrow down the imperfection to an infinitesimal scale.
That seems like a brilliant way to engage as much as possible with something essentially separate from itself. Maybe you're right in that math is flexible enough, potentially, to encompass that kind of thinking by clever sidesteps like imaginary numbers and differential calculus.
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you could argue that platonic thought is basically a way of legitimizing having a young boy jack you off
foucault's second volume of the history of sexuality is SUPER interesting about how young boys existed in the nebulous realm of "MALE = POWER NO BUTTSEX WOMEN = NO POWER FUCK THAT SHIT UP SON" because they were not men but could become men and clearly thus way more powerful than women
Sexually progressive cultures gave us mathematics, literature, philosophy, civilization and the rest, while sexually restrictive cultures gave us the Dark Ages and the Holocaust. Not that I’m trying to load my argument, of course.
I had no idea that anyone knew anything about sexual politics in Uruk period Mesopotamia.
While that quote is obviously loaded, I didn't think that the mesopotamian cultures and egyptians can be credited with inventing mathematics "proper." like, the egyptians knew about calculating triangles from the nile flooding and stuff like that but didn't make the necessary abstraction of "a^2+b^2=c^2 necessarily"
I don't know how anyone puts the Arabs in the "sexually progressive" column, though things like enshrined female property rights are a plus.
I would like to point out that I did not post the quote because I found it a particularly clever insight, but because I liked its phrasing.
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whoa i just realized how strong that bigass latte was
i love the coffee shop in my hood, it's the only one around that makes coffee strong enough for me
Sexually progressive cultures gave us mathematics, literature, philosophy, civilization and the rest, while sexually restrictive cultures gave us the Dark Ages and the Holocaust. Not that I’m trying to load my argument, of course.
I had no idea that anyone knew anything about sexual politics in Uruk period Mesopotamia.
While that quote is obviously loaded, I didn't think that the mesopotamian cultures and egyptians can be credited with inventing mathematics "proper." like, the egyptians knew about calculating triangles from the nile flooding and stuff like that but didn't make the necessary abstraction of "a^2+b^2=c^2 necessarily"
Its just kind of a silly statement. The Greeks condoned casual child rape. The Islamic nations that invented much of mathematics have never been "sexually progressive." In China advanced mathematics was developed by followers of a moralistic school of philosophers. Sexual progressiveness is no more logically linked to rational advancement than speaking Greek or Latin.
"Culture X has attribute A. Culture Y has attribute 'A. Therefore A causes output(X)" is fallacious, lazy and glib.
That's something that supports the statement, by the way.
Also, it should be clear from the last sentence that being glib is the whole point.
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CindersWhose sails were black when it was windyRegistered Userregular
Sexually progressive cultures gave us mathematics, literature, philosophy, civilization and the rest, while sexually restrictive cultures gave us the Dark Ages and the Holocaust. Not that I’m trying to load my argument, of course.
I had no idea that anyone knew anything about sexual politics in Uruk period Mesopotamia.
While that quote is obviously loaded, I didn't think that the mesopotamian cultures and egyptians can be credited with inventing mathematics "proper." like, the egyptians knew about calculating triangles from the nile flooding and stuff like that but didn't make the necessary abstraction of "a^2+b^2=c^2 necessarily"
I don't know how anyone puts the Arabs in the "sexually progressive" column, though things like enshrined female property rights are a plus.
I would like to point out that I did not post the quote because I found it a particularly clever insight, but because I liked its phrasing.
Abd you've committed Intellectual Malpractice™.
Which is at least the second-worst kind of malpractice.
wait, what's all this about partial differential equations? It ain't no mystical mamajama.
it's actually very simple conceptually.
You have a function of two or more variables where it is the derivatives (or second derivatives or Nth derivatives) of the variables which are constrained. You want to find a solution (or family of solutions) for those constraints.
EG: the way in which heat diffuses. Or the wave equation.
the only difficulty is that actually computing integrals is difficult. There are a lot more integrals where it is possible to prove a solution exists but have it be unknown than ones with known solutions. And solving a partial differential equation comes down to several integrals.
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CindersWhose sails were black when it was windyRegistered Userregular
Also, Ur was in the Bible. It's where Abraham came from.
Sexually progressive cultures gave us mathematics, literature, philosophy, civilization and the rest, while sexually restrictive cultures gave us the Dark Ages and the Holocaust. Not that I’m trying to load my argument, of course.
I had no idea that anyone knew anything about sexual politics in Uruk period Mesopotamia.
While that quote is obviously loaded, I didn't think that the mesopotamian cultures and egyptians can be credited with inventing mathematics "proper." like, the egyptians knew about calculating triangles from the nile flooding and stuff like that but didn't make the necessary abstraction of "a^2+b^2=c^2 necessarily"
I don't know how anyone puts the Arabs in the "sexually progressive" column, though things like enshrined female property rights are a plus.
I would like to point out that I did not post the quote because I found it a particularly clever insight, but because I liked its phrasing.
Abd you've committed Intellectual Malpractice™.
Which is at least the second-worst kind of malpractice.
what can I say, I'm an aesthetic.
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So, perusing the SE++ Youtube thread has led me to three sci-fi movie trailers. Ender's Game being the only one I knew of before hand.
Well...I think Ender's Game is going to be the lightweight entry for sci-fi this year:
I sense there is something here that I didn't know I didn't know about, until just now.
City in the southern part of what is now Iraq. It is interesting in that writing was invented in that area for the first time so it has a longer recorded history than almost any other city (though cities had been around for thousands of years prior).
wait, what's all this about partial differential equations? It ain't no mystical mamajama.
it's actually very simple conceptually.
You have a function of two or more variables where it is the derivatives (or second derivatives or Nth derivatives) of the variables which are constrained. You want to find a solution (or family of solutions) for those constraints.
EG: the way in which heat diffuses. Or the wave equation.
the only difficulty is that actually computing integrals is difficult. There are a lot more integrals where it is possible to prove a solution exists but have it be unknown than ones with known solutions. And solving a partial differential equation comes down to several integrals.
there is a proportionality between conceptual simplicity and amount of pages I will fill with one bullshit equation
Talk of the Nation did a Thing today on "alt labor," which is apparently a popular categorization for labor organizations that aren't actual unions. The whole segment made me a little depressed about how marginalized labor is in the U.S. outside of specific very powerful organizations like the SEIU, NEA, AFL-CIO, etc. The stats on the percentages of unionized labor in the U.S. and references to recent anti-labor headlines (Scott Walker, etc.) were particularly .
Also, Ur was in the Bible. It's where Abraham came from.
Learn your holy book Spool!
well... kind of. The "Ur" in the bible has no relation to the actual city of Ur since the writers had absolutely no solid historical data (or even oral traditions or myths) going back that far.
The Old Testament is totally unreliable, even in a "based on a spark of truth" vauge kind of way, prior to like 900 BCE.
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wait, what's all this about partial differential equations? It ain't no mystical mamajama.
it's actually very simple conceptually.
You have a function of two or more variables where it is the derivatives (or second derivatives or Nth derivatives) of the variables which are constrained. You want to find a solution (or family of solutions) for those constraints.
EG: the way in which heat diffuses. Or the wave equation.
the only difficulty is that actually computing integrals is difficult. There are a lot more integrals where it is possible to prove a solution exists but have it be unknown than ones with known solutions. And solving a partial differential equation comes down to several integrals.
there's nothing mystical about logocentrism
it's the concept that every "being" must be a single, discrete entity
i was using PDEs as shorthand for mathematical functions good at dealing with lots of different "parts" of an entity
logocentrism is tied up with univocal being, that everything that exists exists in the same way. human thought, at it's current state, doesn't deal well with things existing in multiple manners. if it IS indeed the case, mathetmatics would be our best tool for a model in which things may indeed have polysemous existence
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If I understand you correctly, I think that way isn't well thought of anymore. When I was learning math it was all based on the notion that there is absolutely no claim whatsoever that any mathematical concept is a-priori. It is all based on postulates which are not proven. If you accept the postulates underlying a given theorem then the theorem itself is guaranteed to be true but no claims are made that the postulates have any independent truth or existence of their own.
"Culture X has attribute A. Culture Y has attribute 'A. Therefore A causes output(X)" is fallacious, lazy and glib.
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Maybe it's a problem with the word itself.
Everybody in that movie sounded stupid when trying to emphasize it.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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Oh god.
The Time Cube guy has invented a death ray.
That was an alien you racist!
It’s not a very important country most of the time
http://steamcommunity.com/id/mortious
the pythagorans and syracuse settlement were fucking BONKERS
mortally afraid of eating beans
shadow worship
basically if you were a mathematician before like ... the 18th century you thought you were at least a minor wizard
Well, possibly
Alternate universe borg.
I'm going to disagree with that sort of! The very nature of differential calculus seems, to me, to be the attempt to reconcile various infinities and other quantitatively difficult concepts within a system of representation that is purely based on division, rigid definition, etc. It manages to apprehend through approximation, almost like creating an image using negative space, using interation to narrow down the imperfection to an infinitesimal scale.
That seems like a brilliant way to engage as much as possible with something essentially separate from itself. Maybe you're right in that math is flexible enough, potentially, to encompass that kind of thinking by clever sidesteps like imaginary numbers and differential calculus.
Ahem.
I was very strongly considering putting "Spool's wife" in there, but had to limit it to one and decided Feral was more relevant to the conversation.
Hmm, I see.
foucault's second volume of the history of sexuality is SUPER interesting about how young boys existed in the nebulous realm of "MALE = POWER NO BUTTSEX WOMEN = NO POWER FUCK THAT SHIT UP SON" because they were not men but could become men and clearly thus way more powerful than women
css is a style sheet language, that is not possible.
what is
I sense there is something here that I didn't know I didn't know about, until just now.
I would like to point out that I did not post the quote because I found it a particularly clever insight, but because I liked its phrasing.
i love the coffee shop in my hood, it's the only one around that makes coffee strong enough for me
I'm buzzin' yo
you need html5 for that
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
That's something that supports the statement, by the way.
Also, it should be clear from the last sentence that being glib is the whole point.
Ur, birthplace of the LAW.
Abd you've committed Intellectual Malpractice™.
Which is at least the second-worst kind of malpractice.
(you cannot be angry with me because this is factually true and just insinuating that I've cuckolded you)
fine it's just fucking me since I am pretty much ready to scrap doing my entire blog because of it. Somebody is getting fucked.
it's actually very simple conceptually.
You have a function of two or more variables where it is the derivatives (or second derivatives or Nth derivatives) of the variables which are constrained. You want to find a solution (or family of solutions) for those constraints.
EG: the way in which heat diffuses. Or the wave equation.
the only difficulty is that actually computing integrals is difficult. There are a lot more integrals where it is possible to prove a solution exists but have it be unknown than ones with known solutions. And solving a partial differential equation comes down to several integrals.
Learn your holy book Spool!
Pretty sure you can embed scripting via css, using the content tag.
It's still not the css doing the sucking, that's plain old DOM and Js, but it can get things started.
what can I say, I'm an aesthetic.
Well...I think Ender's Game is going to be the lightweight entry for sci-fi this year:
Gravity:
(This looks terrifying)
Europa Report
City in the southern part of what is now Iraq. It is interesting in that writing was invented in that area for the first time so it has a longer recorded history than almost any other city (though cities had been around for thousands of years prior).
there is a proportionality between conceptual simplicity and amount of pages I will fill with one bullshit equation
well... kind of. The "Ur" in the bible has no relation to the actual city of Ur since the writers had absolutely no solid historical data (or even oral traditions or myths) going back that far.
The Old Testament is totally unreliable, even in a "based on a spark of truth" vauge kind of way, prior to like 900 BCE.
there's nothing mystical about logocentrism
it's the concept that every "being" must be a single, discrete entity
i was using PDEs as shorthand for mathematical functions good at dealing with lots of different "parts" of an entity
logocentrism is tied up with univocal being, that everything that exists exists in the same way. human thought, at it's current state, doesn't deal well with things existing in multiple manners. if it IS indeed the case, mathetmatics would be our best tool for a model in which things may indeed have polysemous existence