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Pokémon: Try to be surprised that Gen III remakes are coming.
Sterica
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Welcome to the Pokemon Thread! Generation VI has formally started with the release of Pokemon X and Y for the Nintendo 3DS.
Let this OP serve as a helpful aid for new players and as a resource for veterans.
1. Announcements & Events
2. What's New in Gen VI
3. How to Make a Competitive Team (by Speed Racer)
4. FAQ
5. Friend Codes
This is for stuff going on in the pokemon world and little things people on this forum put together.
Pokemon Bank: The bank is FINALLY out. Download it on the app store today!
Celebi: People that use Pokemon Bank prior to September 30th, 2014 will get a Celebi that knows Hold Back. This is basically False Swipe only I assume it's Special instead of Physical, so kinda meh except it's a EVENT EXCLUSIVE MOVE.
Let's get right into the meat of this: the new generation. While Gen Five played things a bit more conservatively, Six is really mixing things up. Here's the blow-by-blow, and if you've missed a few generations since you last pokemon game, then just scroll past this and catch up on older changes first.
- Full 3D Graphics: Yowza! The first pokemon to abandoned its cherish sprite tradition and go for fancy polygons and whatnot. No doubt the game will look pretty awesome with the 3D cranked up.
- New Region: Kalos, a region based on France.
- Enhanced Online: The bottom screen now serves as a hub for multiplayer. You can easily trade/battle with friends or strangers, and even help someone out in single-player battles via O-Powers. If you're feeling bold, you can try Wonder Trade, letting you send away a pokemon and get something totally random from someone else in the world.
- New Type, Fairy: Designed to rein in dragons a bit, Fairy is so far super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting types. It is not very effective against Fire, Poison, and Steel. Fairy is weak to Poison and Steel while resisting Fighting, Bug, and Dark. They are immune to Dragon moves.
- Other balance changes: Steel loses resistance to both Ghost and Dark, Ghosts are immune to switch-prevention effects like Shadow Tag, Electrics are completely immune to paralysis, and so forth.
- Mega Evolutions: Certain pokemon can evolve even further. In reality this is more like different forms than legitimate evolutions, as they revert to their original species after the battle ends. Mega evolution requires a specific held item, and you have an option to active the mega evolution while in a battle. What happens depends on the pokemon. Some get new abilities, other get different stats, and some like Mega Ampharos even get a new type. Mega Pokemon are designed to be on par with legendaries (though it's worth noting that some legendaries wind up in Tiers well below Ubers) and you can have only one Mega Pokemon on your team.
- Horde Encounters: Sometimes you fight a whole swarm of wild pokemon at once, typically pokemon you'd expect to operate in a herd mentality (a herd of Tauros and Miltank is the obvious example). Obviously this is be a bit more challenging since you pokemon has to endure several attacks at once.
- You can ride pokemon, which I guess replaces the bike? No idea if this is limited to specific pokemon yet.
- There will be an app called Pokemon Bank, which allows you to store pokemon on Nintendo's servers. It is the largest pokemon storage yet, allowing for 3,000 pokemon to be stored. The catch is that it's a paid service with an annual fee of five bucks, but there will be a month-long free demo when it launches.
- HATS AND CLOTHES. You can buy different outfits for your player character. This is also the first Pokemon game to feature different skin color option for your character.
- Sky Battles: These are optional battles that, at least so far, are like normal battles except only certain pokemon can participate. In a nutshell, if the pokemon's battle model is floating/flying in the air, it can Sky Battle. Yes, this means a Farfetch'd cannot do a Sky Battle. Yes, this is incredibly silly.
- Pokemon-Aime: Feed and play with your pokemon, which increases a new stat called "Affection." High affection gives you bonuses to XP gains, crit chance, evasion, and even perks like surviving a lethal hit or recovering from status effects.
- Super Training: Finally, at long last, proper EV training, complete with ways to track your progress for a particular pokemon. Play minigames to boost those values.
- MORE POKEMANS: around 70 new critters, not counting the 20 or so known mega evolutions.
User @Speed Racer put a lot of time and effort into make a guide for competitive play. It is quite long, so long that I had to make a Google Doc to contain it all!
However, it is well worth reading if you wish to dip your toes into the wild world of pokemon battling against other human beings! While eventually online simulators will update for fast and easy Gen VI fighting, there is something warm and fuzzy about taking the time to breed and train team from scratch. I know simulators takes a lot of the bullshit out of it, and that's all well and good, but give the "true" experience a spin. It can actually be pretty engrossing if you really get into. Eventually you'll be eagerly anticipating the third "special edition" of the game just because a move tutor gives your favorite pokemon one awesome move. You might reflect on how this happened, but you'll probably be too busy breeding new gimmick teams to care.
I beat the Elite Four. What now?
Depends on what you want to do. First off, go to Lumiose Station and get your ticket from Sycamore. This will take you to a new post-game city that features the Battle Maison, Friend Safari, and some other TMs from the store. You can then work on your Pokedex and catch as many pokemon as possible, or you can start building a team for fighting. Oh, and buy FABULOUS HATS, I guess.
You can also go catch legendary pokemon. Zygarde is in Terminus cave, and Mewto is in the Unknown Cave (near Pokemon Village). One of the three legendary birds will appear in the wild based on your starter (Chespin/Articuno Froakie/Moltres, Fennekin/Zapdos), but it works different than other legendaries. While they roam in tall grass in a random route, they run away REALLY quickly and the best way to catch one is to encounter it ten times. At this point it will show up in the Spirit Den and will not run away. The other two birds ya gotta trade for (or wait until the Bank is out and transfer 'em).
What should I do for competitive battling?
Read Speed Racer's guide, as it breaks down things nicely.
As for where to start, getting a Battle Maison team is the best bet. This will get you BP which will buy all sorts of useful shit. Your first item should either Power items (useful for EV training if you wanna do it the old way) or something like a Life Orb (which is useful for many pokemon). Keep in mind that a Battle Maison team is different from a competitive multiplayer team. The Battle Maison is a shithold where anything goes: none of the clauses and rules established for competitive multiplayer exists in the Battle Maison. Expect pokemon with evasion up the asshole, and to have your winning streak ended by a one-hit KO move. You'll do much better in the Maison when building your team so long as you remember that it's a place where honor dare not tread, and only the scummiest gang of rogues can survive.
Can you please explain breeding in a huge fuck-off image?
Can do!
Holy shit.
I know, right?
How does Pokemon-Aime work?
You have Affection, Fullness, and Enjoyment. Affection is the thing you're aiming for, as it gives that pokemon boosts to XP gains, crit chance, evasion, and even a chance to gain a focus sash effect at high enough affection. Affection is gained via hearts, which are gained by petting (2-3 hearts), pokepuffs, and random shit like looking at the camera the way your pokemon wants (don't bother, it's a random occurrence and the camera is finicky). The easiest way to gain affection is to play games at the highest difficult to earn pokepuffs. Just do this until the pokemon's enjoyment is maxed, and proceed to stuff the thing full of pokepuffs. Once it's fullness is maxed, you switch to back to games. That's the cycle in a nutshell. The most efficient way to earn puffs is playing the Hard difficulty of whichever game you're best at. In my experience, unlimited has a poor time-to-puffs ratio, even if you're good.
Is Affection the same as happiness?
While the two might be linked, Happiness and Affection are two separate things. Which is...kinda weird, but don't think about it too much.
How do EVs work? IVs?
Speed's competitive guide covers this. The main advice I have is to put 252 in two stats (typically Attack or Special Attack and then Speed; defenses if they're walls) and then 4 points in uh...whatever.
Honestly I would not worry about IVs if you're new to this. Maybe ensure that key stats aren't awful (again, typically attack stats and speed).
What the fuck does this term mean?
Lingo for pokemon
Bulky: A pokemon with higher-than-average defensive stats. This can be a relative term; eg Alakazam wouldn't be considered bulky, but maybe you trained an Alakazam with high defensive stats.
Entry Hazard: Effects that fuck with pokemon when they switch in. Stealth Rock is the biggest one, but (Toxic) Spikes and Sticky Web are others. These are removed by Rapid Spin (clears your side) or Defog (clears both sides).
HM Slave/Mule: A pokemon that can learn multiple HMs, making them useful for getting around the world. Not used to fight much, although they can be useful as they tend to be Water or Normal types and thus get STAB on the better HM moves (Strength and Surf/Waterfall)
Parafusion: Confusing and paralyzing a pokemon, leaving them with a very small chance of attacking. Typically forces a switch.
Pseudohaze: Haze is a move that resets stats, effectively clearing buffs and debuffs applied to pokemon. Moves that force a pokemon to switch, like Roar or Whirlwind is called a "pseudohaze" because it effectively does the same thing, as buffs and debuffs clear on switching out.
Spinblocker: A pokemon that prevent Rapid Spin from being used. Always a ghost-type, typically defensively-oriented.
STAB: Same Type Attack Bonus. A pokemon that uses a move that shares type with that pokemon will have its base power increased by 50%.
Suicide Lead: A member of team that goes out first and isn't expected to do much more than set up entry hazards or disrupt/scout the enemy team. Typically fast or possess an ability like Prankster.
Sweeper: A pokemon that, when properly set up, will mow down the enemy team without breaking a sweat. In other words, it "sweeps" your team like a broom.
Wall: Basically the opposite of a sweeper. A tough pokemon with a combination of defensive typing, stats, and moveset that make it hard to KO.
Super Training is confusing! How do I do it?
You can Super Train in two ways: punching bags and training events. Events come in four difficulties for each of the six stats, with the fourth event being unlocked when a pokemon completes its training. Harder events award more EVs, but they can be difficult or even impossible for untrained pokemon. As a pokemon gains EVs, they get better at events, so the quickest (but expensive) route is to pump a pokemon full of vitamins and then jump into the harder events. The fourth difficulty tier of events does not award EVs (because the pokemon has maxed EVs), but has a chance at giving you an item (includes evolutionary stones). All events can award punching bags.
The second way is punching bag, which is a quick boost to stats that is also semi-automated. There are three bag sizes that will provide EVs for a stat (small = 1 EV, medium = 4, large =12), and you tap them to get the Pokemon to bop it. After a number of taps (not many, even a large bag takes under 20 seconds), the pokemon will destroy the bag with a finishing move and gain the benefits of the bag. The pokemon, if left unaided by the player, will slowly hit the bag on its own. If it accumulates enough hits, an exclamation mark will appear above its head, meaning the pokemon is one tap away from finishing off the punching bag. There are also other punching bags with different effects, mostly ones that enhance your pokemon's ability to do events. These tend to be fairly useless with the exception of the x2 multipler to EVs you get from the event. There's also a white bag that will wipe a pokemon's EVs entirely. Useful!
You can get punching bags from events (as I said earlier) and from pokemon. When a pokemon has a happy face while training on the default generic punching bag, you can tap to find more bags (a pokemon can also find bags on its own, but it takes longer). After a duration, some pokemon will fall on their side, and they won't train. One tap will right them, and they'll be in a happy state. Hooray!
Where is Rock Smash?
Ambrette Town, outside near the aquarium.
What HMs do I need to beat the game?
From what I remember: surf, strength, and cut. You also might want a pokemon with fly, obviously.
However, Rock Smash will get you a lot of TMs that can prove useful. Ditto with Waterfall (which is a good move in its own right anyhow)
LUMIOSE CITY IS THE FUCKING DEVIL.
This isn't a question, but I feel ya. Poke Paris is pretty goddamn shitty, especially for the major city of a pokemon game. Try this map.
What are some useful websites?
Note: Due to the difficulty in hacking X/Y AND a worldwide release, non-Japanese players have never gone into a generation so blindly. Information is spotty and still in-progress, but it's getting there.
Global Link Site: A fancy Nintendo site that has a load of features if you sync your game with it (press the gray button at the top of the PSS screen).
Bulpedia: Basically the biggest load of ANY kind of pokemon information on the internet.
Serebii.net: I don't really like the Serebii guy, but it's a good source of information and is another alternate pokedex should others be down.
Smogon: The site for competitive multiplayer. Has tier listings as well as decent articles and information on how to begin assembling a team. Also has individual critques of each pokemon's competitive capabilities, complete with some suggested movelists.
Pokemon Showdown: A very popular battle simulator complete with features like replays. It actually has a really nice, clean pokedex if you need one. Not updated for Gen VI yet.
If you wish to be added, please PM or @ me in the thread.
Bold is a Friend Safari with dittos!
The old days of my oppressive list are done! Check out this google doc and edit in your information or whatever.
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I'm sure Christmas will be better.
Glad it's back.
3DS FC: 5343-7720-0490
maybe in 20 minutes I'll be on if anyone wants to fight,though it will be on school internet
Could I be added? Code is in my signature.
Feel really good about that one.
3DS: 2981-5304-3227
I thought my game was fucking up but it turns out I have like 2.5k pokemiles
yessss
SteamID: Baroque And Roll
if you like poison types, I'm your man. Although I don't know what my third one is yet.
I can repay you in gratitude, and pokemon I guess, I've got a few spare.
No, the stuff on the website is cheap
Rare candies are 250 miles
oh right everything is like half price on the website
I have decided to take over the list Team Rocket style, and have updated it with the friend codes I have collected from the previous thread.
If you want to be added to the list, @ me for results or @ Rorus Raz if you want a machine to put you on hold for a while before talking to someone in India.
=NEW FRIEND CODE LIST=
Allygory: 0232-8922-6509
Anzekay: 1633-4204-6456
Anialos: 0103-9568-0853
Arch: 4742-5997-1992
Artreus: 1590-4692-3954
Asharaxx: 5413-0219-8736
Beasteh: 0087-3748-0294
Bendery Like Beckham: 0275-8140-6235
Big Red Tie: 3926-4292-8829
Blackbeard7: 3480-2868-5899
Bluedude152: 2595-0531-2979
cabsy: 0061-0863-4958
Ceno: 4871-3718-5715
CorporateLogo: 2251-4432-9039
CorporateRed: 0748-2197-9722
The Cow King: 1907-9225-2803
CowShark: 4398-9974-9558
Crimson King: 4742-6001-2106
DirtyDirtyVagrant: 5043-2658-9162
DrDinosaur: 4012-4469-3321
drp527: 0216-0910-3881
DJ Antwan: 1392-5219-3149
Emerlmaster999: 0344-9387-2002
Enc: 5043-2266-3066
fightinfilipino: 4227-1731-4009
Fiz: 3969-3700-0594
Gatsby: 2766-9202-0140
Goose!: 4940-5859-6219
Gofflesby: 0216-0851-9288
Green Lantern: 1779-0862-6477
Halos Nach Tariff: 1161-0285-3351
Heatwave: 4227-1965-3206
Huntera: 2981-5737-5781
HyperBallad: 0361-7385-2366
I needed a name to post: 2793-1554-7378
Inquisitor: 4441-8974-5637
Isoldae: 3282-3093-3348
jgeis: 2320-6460-9072
Jimothy: 3668-8012-6724
King Riptor: 3024-6018-5401
Klendy: 3110-4958-3089
Kor: 3050-7671-2707
Kwoaru: 3496-9713-7513
Lasbrook: 0920-0540-0190
LordSolarMacharius: 0018-1244-6359
Marathon: 4184-2563-8329
Man of the Waves: 3394-3880-2299
Melding: 5386-8415-3207
MetroidZoid: 4699-5714-8940
Mint: 5257-9297-9238
Morblitz: 0645-5780-8920
Neutered: 4682-9858-8261
Nirya: 2981-5304-3227
OmnipotentBagel: 3737-9533-4743
PaperLuigi44: 4553-9983-6412
PassionateLovie: 2036-7272-6243
Peewi: 3480-2527-9521
Penumbra: 5386-8399-1472
Psykoma: 1461-6396-6955
Raijin Quickfoot: 4785-4709-9152
RawrBear: 2148-8158-1885
Reigner: 0645-5757-1012
RMED: 1607-2700-0798
Romanian My Escutcheon: 1607-2700-0798
Rorus Raz: 3995-6854-1079
Satanic Jesus: 0533-5338-5186
Schide: 3282-1850-1742
SCREECH OF THE FARG: 2707-3022-4350
Sedraxis: 0232-8293-7683
Seriously: 2337-4267-8661
Shen: 2234-8122-8398
Shill: 5172-0553-2537
Shorty: 0490-5638-2130
Silver: 0619-4325-9419
SingleCell: 1091-8702-0118
Skullo: 1204-0136-4730
SLyM: 4656-6257-5543
Speed Racer: 3668-8081-7919
Spoit: 0344-9296-6644
Stilts: 3282-1752-8749
-Tal: 4613-6287-6328
Taya: 5413-0015-5704
THEPAIN73: 5343-7720-0490
Theodore Floosevelt: 2981-6725-2493
Treagy: 3050-7564-8415
Turambar: 3411-1109-4537
turtleant: 1005-9780-7144
Ubik: 0189-9462-7220
undergroundmonorail: 0490-4897-7688
Vann Diras: 3282-2877-8438
Virgil_Leads_You: 4012-4146-9468
Wyborn: 2406-5129-4317
Wyvern: 0817-4948-1650
Yukira: 4854-6566-1045
3DS: 0232-8293-7683
Black2: 1593 2528 7190 3DS:0216-0910-3881 LoL:drp527
Give me a few more minutes and I can add all the names and codes from Sedraxis' post to that one.
I'll let you know when I'm set, I added your info last night
Check for errors, errybody, and fill in your info.
SteamID: Baroque And Roll
In other words:
2DS/3DS Friend code 0361-7385-2366
Twitter: @PoeticGecko
the ribbons being feelers is creepier to me than most of the tragic horrible ghost type stuff
you listed yourself as having lumiose in your safari
can you catch entire cities now
Black2: 1593 2528 7190 3DS:0216-0910-3881 LoL:drp527
What, you can't? >.>
Sounds good. I'm ready whenever.
You're a serious pokéballer if you can.
I moved some of my prime breeding cruft today to a couple PA users whose trainer names I'm not certain on (except I'd wager a guess on Raijin), but still have a male Dratini with Marvel Scale and 5x perfect IVS (missing Defense). If anybody wants it, I'll be online for a while here. Just hit me with a trade request and I'll give you Dempsy.
2DS/3DS Friend code 0361-7385-2366
Twitter: @PoeticGecko
2DS/3DS Friend code 0361-7385-2366
Twitter: @PoeticGecko
go up to the settings in the friends list, there should be an option for deleting friend cards
Black2: 1593 2528 7190 3DS:0216-0910-3881 LoL:drp527