Okay dokay, I'm gonna go back through, look over everyones reasoning, and find a team the majority will hopefully agree with.
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HedgethornAssociate Professor of Historical Hobby HorsesIn the Lions' DenRegistered Userregular
edited January 2014
At least prior to the voting, it seemed that there was significant support for the original 3 + 1 more -- that'd be you, Rhan, Kaneski, and a knight to be named later.
The votes. Not what I was expecting to see.
For one thing, it makes me look extremely scummy.
But since I know I'm loyal-but-confused, that means that either the good guys split their votes, the bad guys split their votes, or both.
To several of you it probably just looks like three minions voted to send some evil people on the mission, though....
alternatively, we ended up with several minions on the mission roster and the bad guys voted reject to try to prevent a double-fail?
Okay... so let's take a look at this vote. You've got four spies and six knights. We have three aye votes to seven nay votes. Now, usually in this scenario all the spies would vote to approve the mission and push it through. Typically in this scenario spies would vote aye and push it through with anyone on the mission.
So why did the spies reject this mission? Usually they save their rejects until they have no choice cause they will lose the game if they do not. But this is only mission two. There are still three more missions, even if four is particularly hard for them. Maybe they realize they don't really have a shot at four, so if they do not fail this mission they will lose the game.
Did Kaneski get lucky and tag all loyal resistance? But then why did he reject his own mission?
OR... maybe two spies got tagged and they rejected it because of that.
HedgethornAssociate Professor of Historical Hobby HorsesIn the Lions' DenRegistered Userregular
I'd prefer Sokpuppet to Mikey. My reasoning:
Either Sokpuppet is evil or he's good. If he's evil, he probably put one minion on the initial team. So initial team + Sokpuppet = 2 minions = hilarity.
Or Sokpuppet is good, in which case there's no danger adding him to the original team.
Wait, rejected his own mission? What is going on in this game?
It was a bad plan
Well yeah we all knew that, but he was still pretty adamant.
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HedgethornAssociate Professor of Historical Hobby HorsesIn the Lions' DenRegistered Userregular
edited January 2014
Either Kaneski was intentionally fishing for information, or he got convinced at the last minute that it was a bad plan. Hard to know what's going on in his head. I know that *I* rejected the mission because I felt the whole thing smelled funny: keeping Rhan on board but an all new crew without Kaneski? I was pretty sure it was minion central.
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HedgethornAssociate Professor of Historical Hobby HorsesIn the Lions' DenRegistered Userregular
Okay... so let's take a look at this vote. You've got four spies and six knights. We have three aye votes to seven nay votes. Now, usually in this scenario all the spies would vote to approve the mission and push it through. Typically in this scenario spies would vote aye and push it through with anyone on the mission.
So why did the spies reject this mission? Usually they save their rejects until they have no choice cause they will lose the game if they do not. But this is only mission two. There are still three more missions, even if four is particularly hard for them. Maybe they realize they don't really have a shot at four, so if they do not fail this mission they will lose the game.
Did Kaneski get lucky and tag all loyal resistance? But then why did he reject his own mission?
OR... maybe two spies got tagged and they rejected it because of that. But Kaneski is the only person on the mission who rejected it and he picked the people going. It just doesn't make any sense to me that all three of the approves, who are on the mission, could be spies. They would reject it if they were spies.
Ugh... I dunno. I don't see any logic in this vote.
I don't understand the bolded part. Two of the three approvals came from people *not* on the mission, as so.
Okay... so let's take a look at this vote. You've got four spies and six knights. We have three aye votes to seven nay votes. Now, usually in this scenario all the spies would vote to approve the mission and push it through. Typically in this scenario spies would vote aye and push it through with anyone on the mission.
So why did the spies reject this mission? Usually they save their rejects until they have no choice cause they will lose the game if they do not. But this is only mission two. There are still three more missions, even if four is particularly hard for them. Maybe they realize they don't really have a shot at four, so if they do not fail this mission they will lose the game.
Did Kaneski get lucky and tag all loyal resistance? But then why did he reject his own mission?
OR... maybe two spies got tagged and they rejected it because of that. But Kaneski is the only person on the mission who rejected it and he picked the people going. It just doesn't make any sense to me that all three of the approves, who are on the mission, could be spies. They would reject it if they were spies.
Ugh... I dunno. I don't see any logic in this vote.
I don't understand the bolded part. Two of the three approvals came from people *not* on the mission, as so.
That doesn't follow. If anything, the spies would approve since there's almost certainly one on there based on the following logic: I'm good, Kaneski is either evil (sent a spy) or good (requires a perfect selection of all knights since 2 are out, 4 have to be in). Which he could only do if he was a wizard or something
I wasn't crazy about the composition of the team, jettisoning the first team without bringing back at least two didn't seem conductive to winnowing out possible spies. I wouldn't object to the new team being the first + Mikey.
edit edit: Oh yea! I need to think of a mission we're going on! Who likes gold? I like gold! I hear one of our Lords has lots of gold in his keep. Let's go take his gold! This seems noble and totally how government works.
That doesn't follow. If anything, the spies would approve since there's almost certainly one on there based on the following logic: I'm good, Kaneski is either evil (sent a spy) or good (requires a perfect selection of all knights since 2 are out, 4 have to be in). Which he could only do if he was a wizard or something
See what I did there?
I'm not following your logic here. We're saying there was more than one spy that got sent. If they both rejected the mission that would be a devasting blow. So the spies all rejected that mission.
That doesn't follow. If anything, the spies would approve since there's almost certainly one on there based on the following logic: I'm good, Kaneski is either evil (sent a spy) or good (requires a perfect selection of all knights since 2 are out, 4 have to be in). Which he could only do if he was a wizard or something
See what I did there?
I'm not following your logic here. We're saying there was more than one spy that got sent. If they both rejected the mission that would be a devasting blow. So the spies all rejected that mission.
Davoid that seems reasonable to me.
Oh I must have misread what you were saying, never mind
Oh, when you guys send me the vote PMs, please do something like "Quest 2, Vote 2: Reject/Accept" so it reduces my chances of confusing which vote for which mission you're casting now that my inbox is getting crowded as hell.
Oh, when you guys send me the vote PMs, please do something like "Quest 2, Vote 2: Reject/Accept" so it reduces my chances of confusing which vote for which mission you're casting now that my inbox is getting crowded as hell.
Ah, sorry! : /
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HedgethornAssociate Professor of Historical Hobby HorsesIn the Lions' DenRegistered Userregular
@Professor Phobos, Would you prefer that we resend our votes for this round, or is this just for the future?
Oh, thanks! I am not sure if it's a good idea to do that, ha ha, I just felt it would help folks find the really important game posts easily if they're just coming back after awhile? That way that can just scroll up to read team selection debate, and scroll down to see post-proposal debate.
OFCOURSE I rejected that mission. It would have been insane to let that thing go ahead.
This vote was a write-off. I don't think analysis will give us much. Given the lengthy discussion that preceded it, it was very likely that the bad guys would vote independently, rather than as a bloc.
@Davoid pick any team you like. Just keep in mind that I maintain that the 3+1 idea is still bad, because there almost certainly was a bad guy on the first mission.
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Ayes: Davoid, Sokpuppet, Rhan9.
Total: 3
Nays: Kirindal, Megamek, Jdarksun, Phyphor, Hedgethorn, Mikey CTS, Kaneski.
Total: 7
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So however you work the numbers, we've got partisan splits between both the baddies and the good guys? Am I reading that right?
For one thing, it makes me look extremely scummy.
But since I know I'm loyal-but-confused, that means that either the good guys split their votes, the bad guys split their votes, or both.
To several of you it probably just looks like three minions voted to send some evil people on the mission, though....
alternatively, we ended up with several minions on the mission roster and the bad guys voted reject to try to prevent a double-fail?
So why did the spies reject this mission? Usually they save their rejects until they have no choice cause they will lose the game if they do not. But this is only mission two. There are still three more missions, even if four is particularly hard for them. Maybe they realize they don't really have a shot at four, so if they do not fail this mission they will lose the game.
Did Kaneski get lucky and tag all loyal resistance? But then why did he reject his own mission?
OR... maybe two spies got tagged and they rejected it because of that.
Edit: Bolded seems most likely.
It was a bad plan
Either Sokpuppet is evil or he's good. If he's evil, he probably put one minion on the initial team. So initial team + Sokpuppet = 2 minions = hilarity.
Or Sokpuppet is good, in which case there's no danger adding him to the original team.
Well yeah we all knew that, but he was still pretty adamant.
I don't understand the bolded part. Two of the three approvals came from people *not* on the mission, as so.
Kaneski proposed: {Hedgethorn, Kirindal, Rhan9, Jdarksun}
Ayes: Davoid, Sokpuppet, Rhan9.
Nays: Kirindal, Megamek, Jdarksun, Phyphor, Hedgethorn, Mikey CTS, Kaneski.
Are you confusing the first mission lineup with the second?
Edit: Corrected by Phyphor. Oops. My correction in italics.
This makes a little more sense. Okay, so it looks like all the spies rejected it. There were definitely two or more spies on that mission.
And I agree, it should be Sok and not me.
I am going to propose Rhan, Kaneski, Sokpuppet and Davoid for mission 2. I think that sounds reasonable?
tagging everyone in this post so it'll be easy for them to find it and make their decision about it
@Kirindal @Phyphor @Mikey CTS @Sokpuppet @Hedgethorn @Kaneski @jdarksun @MegaMek @Rhan9
edit edit: Oh yea! I need to think of a mission we're going on! Who likes gold? I like gold! I hear one of our Lords has lots of gold in his keep. Let's go take his gold! This seems noble and totally how government works.
I'm not following your logic here. We're saying there was more than one spy that got sent. If they both rejected the mission that would be a devasting blow. So the spies all rejected that mission.
@Davoid that seems reasonable to me.
Oh I must have misread what you were saying, never mind
Ah, sorry! : /
edit: ha ha how do you tag Mikey? I keep accidentally tagging the user "Mikey"
This vote was a write-off. I don't think analysis will give us much. Given the lengthy discussion that preceded it, it was very likely that the bad guys would vote independently, rather than as a bloc.
@Davoid pick any team you like. Just keep in mind that I maintain that the 3+1 idea is still bad, because there almost certainly was a bad guy on the first mission.