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Sgt. Superhero Thread: The Spring Spoilers

Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of ForksRegistered User regular
edited April 2014 in Social Entropy++
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Wikipedia wrote:
After the explosive events of The Avengers, Steve Rogers, aka Captain America, is living quietly in Washington, D.C. and trying to adjust to the modern world. But when a S.H.I.E.L.D. colleague comes under attack, Steve becomes embroiled in a web of intrigue that threatens to put the world at risk. Joining forces with the Black Widow and The Falcon, Captain America struggles to expose the ever-widening conspiracy while fighting off friend and foe alike, with a secretive assassin, known only as The Winter Soldier, looming closer and closer every second.

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TV Guide wrote:
Those who thought Jasper Sitwell running off to Lemurian Star in last week's episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was the ABC series' idea of a crossover with Captain America: The Winter Soldier were sorely mistaken on Tuesday night. In truth, the implications of how Marvel's latest blockbuster will affect the TV offshoot run much, much deeper... What does this mean for the show? It's the start of a new era... Thanks to Captain America 2 leaving its story open-ended, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. now has ample opportunity to take hold of the reins when it comes to S.H.I.E.L.D.'s future.

Seriously, if you haven't seen The Winter Soldier, go see it. Right now. You can't? Why? Oh, right, it's 3:00 in the morning. Um, well, go see it first thing in the morning. You have work? Well, uh, tell them you have a serious case of Lemurian Whooping cough. If they tell you that's not a real thing, you're on your own.

Oh, right, and I guess there are other superhero related movies coming out later this summer. Let's take a look at some trailers while you figure out how to go see The Winter Soldier at the earliest possible convenience.

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Wikipedia wrote:
Brash adventurer Peter Quill finds himself the object of an unrelenting bounty hunt after stealing a mysterious orb coveted by Ronan, a powerful villain with ambitions that threaten the entire universe. To evade the ever-persistent Ronan, Quill is forced into an uneasy truce with a quartet of disparate misfits-Rocket, a gun-toting raccoon, Groot, a tree-like humanoid, the deadly and enigmatic Gamora and the revenge-driven Drax the Destroyer.

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The ultimate X-Men ensemble fights a war for the survival of the species across two time periods in X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. The beloved characters from the original "X-Men" film trilogy join forces with their younger selves from "X-Men: First Class," in an epic battle that must change the past -- to save our future.

Avengers: Age of Ultron and Ant-Man are both slated to come out next summer, and Captain America 3 is due for release on the same day as Batman Vs. Superman in 2016. But there's enough superhero goodness for us to sink our teeth into at the moment, so let's focus on that for right now.

Have fun, mark your spoilers, and if you haven't seen the movie yet, for your own sake more than anything else, do not click the spoilers.
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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Noooooooo I was working on an OP gaaaahhhh

    Ah well, next time

    Let me just nestle myself in a warm cocoon of MCU Blu-rays and GOTG trailers and think about all the wonderful things they've done so far and what's to come

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    Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Noooooooo I was working on an OP gaaaahhhh

    Ah well, next time

    Let me just nestle myself in a warm cocoon of MCU Blu-rays and GOTG trailers and think about all the wonderful things they've done so far and what's to come

    The Game of Thrones thread is taking too long to get locked, and I wanted to write an OP.

    It's all their fault, basically.

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    EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    The last one was my first ever thread to hit 100 pages.

    I mean, it was one of the megathreads, so it doesn't REALLY count, but still

    they grow up so fast

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    HallowedFaithHallowedFaith Call me Cloud. Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Lady Rahhi!

    I am finally catching up on Arrow. I still think Oliver is dick to Felicity.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    CAW CAW CAW

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    I saw the Cap movie yesterday
    A few things I would like to say are back in my day we were happy enough to get one post credits scene you kids today and your 2 or better

    What I took from the film is I really now do think people are right that we are going to get the civil war thing to come. Just how it will work is something I am curious about if true

    Also in the credits there were a lot of effects companies that worked on that film



    When they have the veterans groups scene I told my brother and friend I had something to say about that
    I get asked a lot why I do not attend those meetings because some of them are down right depressing. I really do not want to remember certain things or get freaked out by every bag or box or loose rocks I see by the roadside

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    So yeah, this was pretty good.

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    LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    So, Saga volume 3.

    Holy goddam shit. Just the whole thing. Wow.

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    chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    The last one was my first ever thread to hit 100 pages.

    I mean, it was one of the megathreads, so it doesn't REALLY count, but still

    they grow up so fast

    I think the only non-megathread I've done that with is the one for Gears of War.

    Anywho, looking at Jonathan Hickman's work and I'm surprised at how.. little he's done at Marvel outside of his big epic stuff like Secret Warriors, SHIELD< Fantastic Four/FF, Avengers/New Avengers and his Ultimate Universe work. Just a couple of one-shots and a six-issue story in "Astonishing Tales."

    It's like they almost immediately saw what he was good at and gave him the reigns.

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    TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Shadowen wrote: »
    The preview seems to make it clear that (Cap 2 and latest AoS spoilers)
    Ward was brainwashed to join Hydra. He's not "Sebastian Stan as Winter Soldier has haunted eyes rimmed with guyliner after catching the shield", but he does not look pleased with his life choices in that ending shot.

    I didn't watch the preview, but ...
    the first time I saw the episode, I interpreted the stinger in the same way.

    Second viewing? not so much. He looked much more meditative then displeased, and the eye-flick looked more "psychopath" than "oh, what have I done?!"



    edit: that said, it's reasonable for him to be brainwashed; Garrett pulls him aside for a moment on the plane to "catch him up", and might have done something to him then.

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    KaplarKaplar On Google MapsRegistered User regular
    Tried to see Winter Soldier on Monday, but the girlfriend and I got back home too late.
    Tried to see it yesterday, but there was a giant storm and the theatre in the mall lost power. At least we got some kobe burgers and corn grits.

    I really want to see this movie y'all.

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    KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Tamin wrote: »
    Shadowen wrote: »
    The preview seems to make it clear that (Cap 2 and latest AoS spoilers)
    Ward was brainwashed to join Hydra. He's not "Sebastian Stan as Winter Soldier has haunted eyes rimmed with guyliner after catching the shield", but he does not look pleased with his life choices in that ending shot.

    I didn't watch the preview, but ...
    the first time I saw the episode, I interpreted the stinger in the same way.

    Second viewing? not so much. He looked much more meditative then displeased, and the eye-flick looked more "psychopath" than "oh, what have I done?!"



    edit: that said, it's reasonable for him to be brainwashed; Garrett pulls him aside for a moment on the plane to "catch him up", and might have done something to him then.
    Loki's staff shows its victims something that makes them susceptible to his control.

    Also, when Ward mentioned to Skye about the time she offered to talk to him, that was from the episode with the rage staff. Maybe it's something related to that too. They did say that the rage staff makes people see the darkest part of themselves.

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    TaminTamin Registered User regular
    Tamin wrote: »
    Shadowen wrote: »
    The preview seems to make it clear that (Cap 2 and latest AoS spoilers)
    Ward was brainwashed to join Hydra. He's not "Sebastian Stan as Winter Soldier has haunted eyes rimmed with guyliner after catching the shield", but he does not look pleased with his life choices in that ending shot.

    I didn't watch the preview, but ...
    the first time I saw the episode, I interpreted the stinger in the same way.

    Second viewing? not so much. He looked much more meditative then displeased, and the eye-flick looked more "psychopath" than "oh, what have I done?!"



    edit: that said, it's reasonable for him to be brainwashed; Garrett pulls him aside for a moment on the plane to "catch him up", and might have done something to him then.
    Loki's staff shows its victims something that makes them susceptible to his control.

    Also, when Ward mentioned to Skye about the time she offered to talk to him, that was from the episode with the rage staff. Maybe it's something related to that too. They did say that the rage staff makes people see the darkest part of themselves.
    I think my point is

    Ward had that discussion with Skye ... when he thought that Hand was the clairvoyant

    he was willing to reach out at that point

    when he learned that Garrett was the clairvoyant, something changed.

    Maybe that something was brainwashing kicking in
    Maybe that something was the good guys setting up a long con

    I don't know. But he went from wanting to have a drink with Skye to murdering Hand.


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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    I wanted to go see winter soldier but I guess you neeed money for that.

    I couldnt not have popcorn or a hot dog. These are movie necessities

    So next week for me.

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    KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Tamin wrote: »
    Tamin wrote: »
    Shadowen wrote: »
    The preview seems to make it clear that (Cap 2 and latest AoS spoilers)
    Ward was brainwashed to join Hydra. He's not "Sebastian Stan as Winter Soldier has haunted eyes rimmed with guyliner after catching the shield", but he does not look pleased with his life choices in that ending shot.

    I didn't watch the preview, but ...
    the first time I saw the episode, I interpreted the stinger in the same way.

    Second viewing? not so much. He looked much more meditative then displeased, and the eye-flick looked more "psychopath" than "oh, what have I done?!"



    edit: that said, it's reasonable for him to be brainwashed; Garrett pulls him aside for a moment on the plane to "catch him up", and might have done something to him then.
    Loki's staff shows its victims something that makes them susceptible to his control.

    Also, when Ward mentioned to Skye about the time she offered to talk to him, that was from the episode with the rage staff. Maybe it's something related to that too. They did say that the rage staff makes people see the darkest part of themselves.
    I think my point is

    Ward had that discussion with Skye ... when he thought that Hand was the clairvoyant

    he was willing to reach out at that point

    when he learned that Garrett was the clairvoyant, something changed.

    Maybe that something was brainwashing kicking in
    Maybe that something was the good guys setting up a long con

    I don't know. But he went from wanting to have a drink with Skye to murdering Hand.

    Selvig and Hawkeye pretty much retained their personalities when Loki controlled them. If Ward had been controlled for a long time, they could have used Loki's staff on him.

    If Ward had recently joined Hydra, it could be due to the effects of the rage staff, perhaps even addiction, and Hydra offering some way to suppress it.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I wanted to go see winter soldier but I guess you neeed money for that.

    I couldnt not have popcorn or a hot dog. These are movie necessities

    So next week for me.

    I find it crazy you can get tons of other foods at the Cinema now
    Like Pizza, various types of burritos, the ubiquitous nacho , hamburgers and hot dogs and so much more

    My brother has one of those rewards cards and was offered a free popcorn but passed since he would have to get a drink
    I thought they were zapping him with electricity to fry his brain into loyalty to Hydra or it was the soviet program they just continued with they hydra just picked him in the chaos of the fall of the eastern bloc

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    TaminTamin Registered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    I wanted to go see winter soldier but I guess you neeed money for that.

    I couldnt not have popcorn or a hot dog. These are movie necessities

    So next week for me.

    I find it crazy you can get tons of other foods at the Cinema now
    Like Pizza, various types of burritos, the ubiquitous nacho , hamburgers and hot dogs and so much more

    My brother has one of those rewards cards and was offered a free popcorn but passed since he would have to get a drink
    I thought they were zapping him with electricity to fry his brain into loyalty to Hydra or it was the soviet program they just continued with they hydra just picked him in the chaos of the fall of the eastern bloc

    this is a cap 2 spoiler, by the way. Not some extra joke about theater food or whatnot

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Re: latest AoS
    The scene where Garrett pulls ward aside and tells him about Hand felt to me like that scene in a comedy movie where two people have done something and thought they were caught until one of them finds out it's not them that's suspected of doing anything, but someone else. So when the other person shows up Garrett's all, "Well Ward let me catch you up, it turns out it's HAND that's the Clairvoyant *WinkNodNudge* Can you believe that?"

    I kind of feel like at this point Ward is (or at least should be) just irredeemable. He killed the decoy, he probably killed a few level 5s at the Hub, and that's just assuming he didn't know about Garrett already. Then of course there's Hand and the two escorts. That's one innocent and three SHIELD operatives confirmed, and at least one or two more speculated. I'd kind of like to see Ward just go villain, I think it'd be interesting. IF it turns out Hand is alive, I'll be happy that she lived (she just got interesting), but upset if it means there was some sort of long con working and Ward turns out to be just undercover. I really kind of like Garrett and Ward as a big bad.

    Garrett being the Clairvoyant was a pretty damn good twist, but I wish they'd either made him clearly a loyal Hydra operative, or not related to Hydra at all. As it is, it's too murky (of course that sort of thing makes perfect sense in a spy story), but it makes me genuinely wonder if anybody at Hydra has or will have access to Centipede and/or Deathlok.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Tamin wrote: »
    Tamin wrote: »
    Shadowen wrote: »
    The preview seems to make it clear that (Cap 2 and latest AoS spoilers)
    Ward was brainwashed to join Hydra. He's not "Sebastian Stan as Winter Soldier has haunted eyes rimmed with guyliner after catching the shield", but he does not look pleased with his life choices in that ending shot.

    I didn't watch the preview, but ...
    the first time I saw the episode, I interpreted the stinger in the same way.

    Second viewing? not so much. He looked much more meditative then displeased, and the eye-flick looked more "psychopath" than "oh, what have I done?!"



    edit: that said, it's reasonable for him to be brainwashed; Garrett pulls him aside for a moment on the plane to "catch him up", and might have done something to him then.
    Loki's staff shows its victims something that makes them susceptible to his control.

    Also, when Ward mentioned to Skye about the time she offered to talk to him, that was from the episode with the rage staff. Maybe it's something related to that too. They did say that the rage staff makes people see the darkest part of themselves.
    I think my point is

    Ward had that discussion with Skye ... when he thought that Hand was the clairvoyant

    he was willing to reach out at that point

    when he learned that Garrett was the clairvoyant, something changed.

    Maybe that something was brainwashing kicking in
    Maybe that something was the good guys setting up a long con

    I don't know. But he went from wanting to have a drink with Skye to murdering Hand.

    We don't know at this point, but the whole entire thesis of the episode was "they make you like them."

    So sure, he made that speech to Skye, because he is trying to get her loyalty and to manipulate her. That's the whole goal. She's a super important asset (we've been told) and that's how he's going at it.

    Personally, I don't really think that his betrayal makes much sense without either some sort of catalyst like brainwashing or black mail etc. It's the sort of twist that was clearly thought about after episodes were made, because his actions and depictions while alone aren't the actions of a mole.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I wanted to go see winter soldier but I guess you neeed money for that.

    I couldnt not have popcorn or a hot dog. These are movie necessities

    So next week for me.
    As someone who worked in concessions

    Never

    ever

    get the hot dogs

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    Devlin_DragonusDevlin_Dragonus Gorgeous Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Last nights Agents of Shield Spoilers
    Am I the only one that got hints of Simmons possibly being Hydra? Because that would be an interesting twist, and she doesnt have to necessarily be a "true believer" in the cause much like Garret. She could have gone into it with good intentions.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    So Daredevil this week was a special anniversary issue showing Matt on his 50th birthday, but teased a very interesting direction Waid is going to take the series, and soon according to the context it was given:
    MATT MURDOCK: MAYOR OF SAN FRANSISCO

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I wanted to go see winter soldier but I guess you neeed money for that.

    I couldnt not have popcorn or a hot dog. These are movie necessities

    So next week for me.
    As someone who worked in concessions

    Never

    ever

    get the hot dogs

    Oh no these are kosher franks and have posted time codes for how long theyve been out. Theyre ok

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Don't know if this is the right place to post this due to the wrestling thread but all the same, RIP Ultimate Warrior.

    I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!!!
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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Last nights Agents of Shield Spoilers
    Am I the only one that got hints of Simmons possibly being Hydra? Because that would be an interesting twist, and she doesnt have to necessarily be a "true believer" in the cause much like Garret. She could have gone into it with good intentions.
    no I really don't think so. I said earlier that fitz/simmons had no way of being hydra, and I still think that's true. their characterizations and reactions to things are just opposite of that route, not to mention they would both have to be hydra, since they're so close and have been inseparable since meeting at their university. It just doesn't fit.

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    CenoCeno pizza time Registered User regular
    Someone made an interesting analogy that the opening scene of TWS was basically the Marvel/DC relationship right now.
    On your left
    On your left
    On your left

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    like

    aos spoilers
    Ward being a double agent is a good choice, even if I think this is the sort of show that will give him an out of the situation. Someone like Coulson or fitz/simmons being a double agent is just bad writing.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Ceno wrote: »
    Someone made an interesting analogy that the opening scene of TWS was basically the Marvel/DC relationship right now.
    On your left
    On your left
    On your left

    DC wishes it was as cool as Sam Wilson

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    Mr PinkMr Pink I got cats for youRegistered User regular
    TWS this Saturday. I am so excited for this movie.

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    CenoCeno pizza time Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Ceno wrote: »
    Someone made an interesting analogy that the opening scene of TWS was basically the Marvel/DC relationship right now.
    On your left
    On your left
    On your left

    DC wishes it was as cool as Sam Wilson

    Oh certainly.

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    mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »

    Everyone wishes they were as cool as Sam Wilson

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    JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    Just watched SHIELD
    B)

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    RainfallRainfall Registered User regular
    @Romanian My Escutcheon‌ you missed ASM2 in the OP somehow?

    So should I bother getting caught up on AoS since I stopped watching after like five episodes, or jump right in? Or just not bother at all?

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Today, Invincible reached a new low:
    There is a multi-page, graphic scene of Mark being raped by a Viltrumite woman.

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    GokerzGokerz Registered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    It's the sort of twist that was clearly thought about after episodes were made, because his actions and depictions while alone aren't the actions of a mole.

    AoS spoilers
    The writers have said in an interview that Ward was supposed to be the traitor from the beginning. They just didn't tell the actor until the filming of Yes Man.
    Brett Dalton has mentioned in a nother interview that he thinks that was the right way to do it, as he wouldn't have been able to pace the revelations right. His body language would given away too much too early.
    I agree that the result isn't that great either, because you got no hints at all. I blame Loeb.

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Rainfall wrote: »
    @Romanian My Escutcheon‌ you missed ASM2 in the OP somehow?

    So should I bother getting caught up on AoS since I stopped watching after like five episodes, or jump right in? Or just not bother at all?

    It gets much better. I don't remember the exact ep where it really picked up...probably ep10 (the bridge) is where the continuity kicks in. Every episode after that gets better.

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