So I have been really thinking about the implications of being a megadummy and buying another Wii U
And I am in a precarious position
I really want to play Smash Bros this year
And I would really like to check out Kirby, Yoshi, Captain Toad, all that
But I don't want to pay full price for them, like I would probably max out at 20 bucks for each one
The only big E3 Wii U games I would pay full price for are Smash Bros, Zelda, and Splatoon
And I wanna play Smash Bros when it comes out
But I don't wanna be stuck sitting on an unused console again for a year waiting for games to come out/get cheaper
Don't be like me, kids
Do what I did with the original Wii
Wait four years after launch, so, November 2016
Grab it on the cheap, and grab the games on the cheap
Unless you're specifically gonna be involved in the online scene, I don't see why you'd need to play Smash Bros. this year, it's not like it's a story-based game that's gonna have this big zeitgeist around it
It will totally have a zeitgeist around it of everyone is talking about it so all my friends wanna play
When Brawl came out that's all we did for pretty much that entire week
When starcraft added a counter above town hall buildings showing how many workers were mining minerals for it people were livid
The essential exciting skill of selecting units and counting to the predetermined perfect ratio
Interactions between units and armies? Nah spectators want to see the impressive aspects of players remembering they have a minor speed boost to use every twenty seconds and using a unit ability every forty for the zerg economy
Vocal minority, I assure you. There's plenty of folks who are happy with the change and strangely enough it's still there and there's no more raging about it anymore.
These are the same people who bitched endlessly about smartcast and multiple building select, like those were the thing separating the pros from unskilled players.
Anyway I wish they would make WC4 and make it for people who don't have 6 hours a day to practice mechanics.
I'd rather mechanically simple games that require high levels of player coordination and planning to be popular e-sport games.
And I mean, I guess they are out there, Counter Strike jumps to mind.
Dota is arguably this. Mechanically it's very straightforward, but then there's a level of nuance added by the variety of things that the players can do.
But what ultimately wins tournament games is player coordination, decision making and planning.
Starcraft is similar as well but there is a lot more complexity involved at the base level so it isn't so mechanically simple.
I brought my PS4 on a four-day trip recently. A house in Maine with like twenty dudes, a bachelor party for a close friend. Sportsfriends was basically the only thing that got played. I wouldn't have called it, but Hokra was by a wide, wide margin the game of choice on that trip.
After arriving home, I noticed that someone had actually worn apart the rubber sheath of the left stick from playing Hokra so hard. Mutha. Fuckin'. E-Sports.
Reading through all the shit you guys posted while I slept...
Wow I didn't realise half this thread seems to really really hate eSports.
I'm sort of confused.
I love e-sports!
I just think they're a joke!
Yeah well that doesn't make any sense to me at all.
eSports isn't really the same as a movie that is so bad it's good.
It's a multi-million dollar industry now, with tons of games being tailored for it and hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of fans world wide.
I don't get what about it makes it a 'joke'.
It's just a ridiculous overblown self-important trainwreck with zero self-awareness and I love it all.
Overblown because of the amount of money involved? I don't really think that's overblown, just successful and popular.
Self-important? I think that's just codeword for "I dislike this". Besides, being self-important is something that seems to pervade any sort of entertainment industry that involves people becoming, in some way, celebrities. Sports included.
And yeah I am pretty sure a lot of folks in esports are very self aware. I think you're making some really sweeping statements here.
When starcraft added a counter above town hall buildings showing how many workers were mining minerals for it people were livid
The essential exciting skill of selecting units and counting to the predetermined perfect ratio
Interactions between units and armies? Nah spectators want to see the impressive aspects of players remembering they have a minor speed boost to use every twenty seconds and using a unit ability every forty for the zerg economy
Vocal minority, I assure you. There's plenty of folks who are happy with the change and strangely enough it's still there and there's no more raging about it anymore.
These are the same people who bitched endlessly about smartcast and multiple building select, like those were the thing separating the pros from unskilled players.
Anyway I wish they would make WC4 and make it for people who don't have 6 hours a day to practice mechanics.
This may just be a reflection on the community I tried to interact with in retrospect
Dota has a lot of mechanical nonsense with its items and leveling and creeping and denying and jingling and blah blah blah.
But those are all very straightforward mechanics, but they have a lot of variety to them and how you use them. The mechanics themselves are very straightfoward- kill stuff, get stronger over the time. Get gold, use it to get stuff that makes you stronger/more useful. etc etc
denying and last hitting are pretty weird though, I will admit.
I think I will definitely end up with another Wii U by the time Zelda is out
The question is do I get one by the time Smash Bros is out
I've been considering selling this fancy MacBook Pro I have to pare down to a standard Air and then I would probably have somewhere around a spare 300 bucks off of that
Now that I have a PS4 I'm pretty much out on any real system-demanding PC games so I dunno if I need that power anymore
To make up for the Smash 3DS delay, Nintendo has declared the months of July, August, and September "The Summer of Smash", and each month will be accompanied by a Nintendo Direct detailing new Smash characters and their respective games.
July: First look at Star Fox. F-Zero GXU is announced. Falco and Captain Falcon fly into battle.
August: Mother Trilogy Collection for 3DS and Wii U. Pikachu Detective Game guest stars Jigglypuff. Ness (Lucas and Ninten alternate skins available) and Jigglypuff roll into battle.
Gamescom: NES Remix 3 announced and it is actually good this time. Classic NES characters like Ice Climbers, Mike Jones, and ROB return for the melee.
September: Wario Land 5 announced for 3DS. Re-reveal of SMTxFE. Wario, Captain Syrup, Lucina, and Jack Frost join the brawl.
TGS: Xenoblade Chronicles X is the main game shown, with the first full trailer of Zelda U. Shulk and Ganon (NOT Ganondorf) jump into the fray. At the end of MGSV's trailer, Kojima reveals that Naked Snake is taking his son's place in the Smash.
October: Secret Unannounced Characters in Smash include: Goku, Meta-Knight, and Bayonetta
Dota has a lot of mechanical nonsense with its items and leveling and creeping and denying and jingling and blah blah blah.
You buy items
Levels go up
You kill things
You kill things before someone else can
Like, denying is the only concept there that is at all complex to understand and it's a pretty small part of professional play
Yes that is a lot of numbers and mechanics.
Like, I have played a ton of MOBAs I understand the mechanics personally just fine.
I think that streamlined games would make for better e-sports than complicated games like dota.
This is part of why I think fighting games make for good spectator esports
A lot of the time it's very obvious what's happening on a surface level and there's a depth that you only get to in the Mind Games going on between players that the commentators help talk you through
I dunno I have the same amount of respect for the technical abilities of pro league players that I have for pro athletes it sounds strange but it takes a lot of practice and know how to be able to play games at a competitive level.
My issue with esports (and someone mentioned this earlier) is the name. Calling them esports is probably the dumbest thing anyone ever did regarding all this nonsense.
MOBA's are weird because of the huge windup until the actual action can go down
There are rushes and little skirmishes here and there, but like Starcraft there's a lot of wasted time of seeing people grind out upgrades instead of engaging with their opponent
I guess that's part of the competition, watching people more efficiently upgrade themselves before the fight? In which case I'm a hundred times more interested in clever choices and understanding of mechanics than the muscle memory to perfect grinding AI goons
Both of these games would taste much better to me if you had a short setup period where you can just place everything you can make in the first ten minutes of the game and start from there
(I say both because I thought I included Starcraft in there somewhere whoops time to sleep)
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It's just a ridiculous overblown self-important trainwreck with zero self-awareness and I love it all.
It will totally have a zeitgeist around it of everyone is talking about it so all my friends wanna play
When Brawl came out that's all we did for pretty much that entire week
Hmm
Never mind then!
I'm actually the biggest Nintendo fan in my group of friends so local play Smash never really happened for me
It's doing ok for a train wreck! Also I feel like self important is one of those phrases that doesn't mean anything but "I don't like it"
These are the same people who bitched endlessly about smartcast and multiple building select, like those were the thing separating the pros from unskilled players.
Anyway I wish they would make WC4 and make it for people who don't have 6 hours a day to practice mechanics.
thanks for that weird moment, greg miller
Dota is arguably this. Mechanically it's very straightforward, but then there's a level of nuance added by the variety of things that the players can do.
But what ultimately wins tournament games is player coordination, decision making and planning.
Starcraft is similar as well but there is a lot more complexity involved at the base level so it isn't so mechanically simple.
After arriving home, I noticed that someone had actually worn apart the rubber sheath of the left stick from playing Hokra so hard. Mutha. Fuckin'. E-Sports.
Getting a real Jack Kirby vibe from this
That was one of their listed sources of inspiration so mission accomplished!
Last hitting is dumb on so many levels.
Oh it's doing really well for money, certainly. It's the whole WE ARE IMPORTANT AND RESPECTED delusion that is fascinating.
Overblown because of the amount of money involved? I don't really think that's overblown, just successful and popular.
Self-important? I think that's just codeword for "I dislike this". Besides, being self-important is something that seems to pervade any sort of entertainment industry that involves people becoming, in some way, celebrities. Sports included.
And yeah I am pretty sure a lot of folks in esports are very self aware. I think you're making some really sweeping statements here.
This may just be a reflection on the community I tried to interact with in retrospect
You buy items
Levels go up
You kill things
You kill things before someone else can
Like, denying is the only concept there that is at all complex to understand and it's a pretty small part of professional play
Okay, I'm sold on the basis of that alone
Do you feel similarly about regular sports and athletes?
But those are all very straightforward mechanics, but they have a lot of variety to them and how you use them. The mechanics themselves are very straightfoward- kill stuff, get stronger over the time. Get gold, use it to get stuff that makes you stronger/more useful. etc etc
denying and last hitting are pretty weird though, I will admit.
They also name-checked Mike Mignola apparently, which is just; yes please, give me it.
Absolutely, minus the respected part (because they actually are)
The question is do I get one by the time Smash Bros is out
I've been considering selling this fancy MacBook Pro I have to pare down to a standard Air and then I would probably have somewhere around a spare 300 bucks off of that
Now that I have a PS4 I'm pretty much out on any real system-demanding PC games so I dunno if I need that power anymore
Yes that is a lot of numbers and mechanics.
Like, I have played a ton of MOBAs I understand the mechanics personally just fine.
I think that streamlined games would make for better e-sports than complicated games like dota.
This is basically how I feel about the typical dislike of things in esports.
It sounds less like folk have problems with esports and more like they have problem with sports/athletes in general.
July: First look at Star Fox. F-Zero GXU is announced. Falco and Captain Falcon fly into battle.
August: Mother Trilogy Collection for 3DS and Wii U. Pikachu Detective Game guest stars Jigglypuff. Ness (Lucas and Ninten alternate skins available) and Jigglypuff roll into battle.
Gamescom: NES Remix 3 announced and it is actually good this time. Classic NES characters like Ice Climbers, Mike Jones, and ROB return for the melee.
September: Wario Land 5 announced for 3DS. Re-reveal of SMTxFE. Wario, Captain Syrup, Lucina, and Jack Frost join the brawl.
TGS: Xenoblade Chronicles X is the main game shown, with the first full trailer of Zelda U. Shulk and Ganon (NOT Ganondorf) jump into the fray. At the end of MGSV's trailer, Kojima reveals that Naked Snake is taking his son's place in the Smash.
October: Secret Unannounced Characters in Smash include: Goku, Meta-Knight, and Bayonetta
I would enjoy esport games with rule sets closer to soccer more.
This is part of why I think fighting games make for good spectator esports
A lot of the time it's very obvious what's happening on a surface level and there's a depth that you only get to in the Mind Games going on between players that the commentators help talk you through
This is ridiculous. For people who have an interest in esports there is a ton of respect for the players.
And when players do things that are stupid or unsportsman-like or whatever, then they lose respect. Just like any other sort of athlete.
She did
My girlfriend totally bought me a One
I've never had an SO buy me something that huge I am feeling super overwhelmed right now
I guess I just don't get the dissonance I see within a statement of "I enjoy eSports but I think it's a joke".
I mean, to me that statement is just contradictory.
I surprised mine with a 3DS and Pokemon because she was so bummed that all her friends were playing it but she was too broke to get one.
Steam: MightyPotatoKing
There are rushes and little skirmishes here and there, but like Starcraft there's a lot of wasted time of seeing people grind out upgrades instead of engaging with their opponent
I guess that's part of the competition, watching people more efficiently upgrade themselves before the fight? In which case I'm a hundred times more interested in clever choices and understanding of mechanics than the muscle memory to perfect grinding AI goons
Both of these games would taste much better to me if you had a short setup period where you can just place everything you can make in the first ten minutes of the game and start from there
(I say both because I thought I included Starcraft in there somewhere whoops time to sleep)
The whole conversation was about mainstream respect, which e-sports will neeeeeeeeeever get.