The whole "someone on the plane shouts that they have Ebola" and hazmat crews board the plane may put a serious crimp in your vacation plans, but at least you have a fun and exciting story to tell your family when you get home.
Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
See someone was stupid and did something dangerous and didn't get infected. EVERYONE PANIC!!!
See, this right here is what has been making my head explode watching any sort of coverage on this issue. It's not just that most media groups are fear-mongering, they're actually actively ignoring and/or misrepresenting the real world scenario that is playing out pretty much how the CDC said it was most likely going to play out in an attempt to get more views. /headdesk
The whole "someone on the plane shouts that they have Ebola" and hazmat crews board the plane may put a serious crimp in your vacation plans, but at least you have a fun and exciting story to tell your family when you get home.
"We had a dipshit on the plane" is not exactly an uncommon occurrence.
That dude is a professional troll. He says all kinds of ridiculous shit, I think mostly to rile people up.
You have to have lived in the South for awhile to understand these types. They really do believe what they say, and they exist in an environment where their only social contact is with either the like-minded or cowed subordinates. It's what several centuries of keeping the underlings desperate and compliant does to the upper class.
1) Everybody, and I mean everybody including the infants in arms, breaks out the cellphones to record this.
2) At about 5 minutes in, "You can't make this up."
3) "I ain't from Africa."
4) The flight attendant; good on her.
ok, say we have an outbreak. Even a small one in say, Dallas (haha)
Doctors show up. RNs show up, sure.
You think the CNA making minimum wage is showing up to clean infected bed pans?
Good fucking luck with that. Hospitals have a TON of essential people that make absolute shit for wages that take care of a TON of stuff. Think any of them will show up for work when walmart will hire them for the same amount of money?
Yes.
since they deal with horrible infections every day.
Like AIDS.
Or the flu.
called that one
Several medical personnel at the Carlos III hospital in Madrid have refused to treat certain patients, and others have resigned their posts, the Guardian reported. The hospital, according to a local nurse, was scrambling to contract additional personnel amid widespread fears of contagion, the report stated.
Really, the only way to be sure that we eradicate the disease is to put all of our resources into a massive rocket with enough delta-V to pilot the earth into the sun.
ok, say we have an outbreak. Even a small one in say, Dallas (haha)
Doctors show up. RNs show up, sure.
You think the CNA making minimum wage is showing up to clean infected bed pans?
Good fucking luck with that. Hospitals have a TON of essential people that make absolute shit for wages that take care of a TON of stuff. Think any of them will show up for work when walmart will hire them for the same amount of money?
Yes.
since they deal with horrible infections every day.
Like AIDS.
Or the flu.
called that one
Several medical personnel at the Carlos III hospital in Madrid have refused to treat certain patients, and others have resigned their posts, the Guardian reported. The hospital, according to a local nurse, was scrambling to contract additional personnel amid widespread fears of contagion, the report stated.
That hospital is fucking up somehow. It is not hard to think of ways to incentivize high risk given the profession. The fact that they screwed the pooch on warning the nurse the first time means it's going to be extra costly.
Luckily hospitals equipped to deal with these infections have special training programs and equipment to minimize risk.
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Look xaquin if the world ends you can feel free to say told ya so
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ok, say we have an outbreak. Even a small one in say, Dallas (haha)
Doctors show up. RNs show up, sure.
You think the CNA making minimum wage is showing up to clean infected bed pans?
Good fucking luck with that. Hospitals have a TON of essential people that make absolute shit for wages that take care of a TON of stuff. Think any of them will show up for work when walmart will hire them for the same amount of money?
Yes.
since they deal with horrible infections every day.
Like AIDS.
Or the flu.
called that one
Several medical personnel at the Carlos III hospital in Madrid have refused to treat certain patients, and others have resigned their posts, the Guardian reported. The hospital, according to a local nurse, was scrambling to contract additional personnel amid widespread fears of contagion, the report stated.
That hospital is fucking up somehow. It is not hard to think of ways to incentivize high risk given the profession. The fact that they screwed the pooch on warning the nurse the first time means it's going to be extra costly.
ok, say we have an outbreak. Even a small one in say, Dallas (haha)
Doctors show up. RNs show up, sure.
You think the CNA making minimum wage is showing up to clean infected bed pans?
Good fucking luck with that. Hospitals have a TON of essential people that make absolute shit for wages that take care of a TON of stuff. Think any of them will show up for work when walmart will hire them for the same amount of money?
Yes.
since they deal with horrible infections every day.
Like AIDS.
Or the flu.
called that one
Several medical personnel at the Carlos III hospital in Madrid have refused to treat certain patients, and others have resigned their posts, the Guardian reported. The hospital, according to a local nurse, was scrambling to contract additional personnel amid widespread fears of contagion, the report stated.
That hospital is fucking up somehow. It is not hard to think of ways to incentivize high risk given the profession. The fact that they screwed the pooch on warning the nurse the first time means it's going to be extra costly.
ok, say we have an outbreak. Even a small one in say, Dallas (haha)
Doctors show up. RNs show up, sure.
You think the CNA making minimum wage is showing up to clean infected bed pans?
Good fucking luck with that. Hospitals have a TON of essential people that make absolute shit for wages that take care of a TON of stuff. Think any of them will show up for work when walmart will hire them for the same amount of money?
Yes.
since they deal with horrible infections every day.
Like AIDS.
Or the flu.
called that one
Several medical personnel at the Carlos III hospital in Madrid have refused to treat certain patients, and others have resigned their posts, the Guardian reported. The hospital, according to a local nurse, was scrambling to contract additional personnel amid widespread fears of contagion, the report stated.
That hospital is fucking up somehow. It is not hard to think of ways to incentivize high risk given the profession. The fact that they screwed the pooch on warning the nurse the first time means it's going to be extra costly.
Yes and no.
You can incentivize risk all you like.
Without education and/or strong moral commitment to the cause, a person may decide "no amount of money is worth this." If someone asked you to walk naked into the reactor chamber in Chernoble, and offered you a billion hundred dollars, you'd probably decline - no amount of incentive would be high enough. Even though the actual risk is very small assuming that the medical staff are following proper procedures, the perceived risk may be too high to be incentivized for those staff.
People can be terrible at making judgments with regards to actual risk vs percieved risk, and as worst-case scenarios are more interesting in the media than likely scenarios, perieved risk can quickly dwarf actual risk.
Should the nurses know better? Yes.
But I also understand their point of view.
Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
I'm just saying that anyone who is saying that this will be difficult to transmit in a first world countries is vastly over estimating humanities ability to problem solve in a timely and efficient manner.
I think it'll get a lot worse in a lot more places before it gets better.
ok, say we have an outbreak. Even a small one in say, Dallas (haha)
Doctors show up. RNs show up, sure.
You think the CNA making minimum wage is showing up to clean infected bed pans?
Good fucking luck with that. Hospitals have a TON of essential people that make absolute shit for wages that take care of a TON of stuff. Think any of them will show up for work when walmart will hire them for the same amount of money?
Yes.
since they deal with horrible infections every day.
Like AIDS.
Or the flu.
called that one
Several medical personnel at the Carlos III hospital in Madrid have refused to treat certain patients, and others have resigned their posts, the Guardian reported. The hospital, according to a local nurse, was scrambling to contract additional personnel amid widespread fears of contagion, the report stated.
That hospital is fucking up somehow. It is not hard to think of ways to incentivize high risk given the profession. The fact that they screwed the pooch on warning the nurse the first time means it's going to be extra costly.
Yes and no.
You can incentivize risk all you like.
Without education and/or strong moral commitment to the cause, a person may decide "no amount of money is worth this." If someone asked you to walk naked into the reactor chamber in Chernoble, and offered you a billion hundred dollars, you'd probably decline - no amount of incentive would be high enough. Even though the actual risk is very small assuming that the medical staff are following proper procedures, the perceived risk may be too high to be incentivized for those staff.
People can be terrible at making judgments with regards to actual risk vs percieved risk, and as worst-case scenarios are more interesting in the media than likely scenarios, perieved risk can quickly dwarf actual risk.
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
ok, say we have an outbreak. Even a small one in say, Dallas (haha)
Doctors show up. RNs show up, sure.
You think the CNA making minimum wage is showing up to clean infected bed pans?
Good fucking luck with that. Hospitals have a TON of essential people that make absolute shit for wages that take care of a TON of stuff. Think any of them will show up for work when walmart will hire them for the same amount of money?
Yes.
since they deal with horrible infections every day.
Like AIDS.
Or the flu.
called that one
Several medical personnel at the Carlos III hospital in Madrid have refused to treat certain patients, and others have resigned their posts, the Guardian reported. The hospital, according to a local nurse, was scrambling to contract additional personnel amid widespread fears of contagion, the report stated.
That hospital is fucking up somehow. It is not hard to think of ways to incentivize high risk given the profession. The fact that they screwed the pooch on warning the nurse the first time means it's going to be extra costly.
Yes and no.
You can incentivize risk all you like.
Without education and/or strong moral commitment to the cause, a person may decide "no amount of money is worth this." If someone asked you to walk naked into the reactor chamber in Chernoble, and offered you a billion hundred dollars, you'd probably decline - no amount of incentive would be high enough. Even though the actual risk is very small assuming that the medical staff are following proper procedures, the perceived risk may be too high to be incentivized for those staff.
People can be terrible at making judgments with regards to actual risk vs percieved risk, and as worst-case scenarios are more interesting in the media than likely scenarios, perieved risk can quickly dwarf actual risk.
ok, say we have an outbreak. Even a small one in say, Dallas (haha)
Doctors show up. RNs show up, sure.
You think the CNA making minimum wage is showing up to clean infected bed pans?
Good fucking luck with that. Hospitals have a TON of essential people that make absolute shit for wages that take care of a TON of stuff. Think any of them will show up for work when walmart will hire them for the same amount of money?
Yes.
since they deal with horrible infections every day.
Like AIDS.
Or the flu.
called that one
Several medical personnel at the Carlos III hospital in Madrid have refused to treat certain patients, and others have resigned their posts, the Guardian reported. The hospital, according to a local nurse, was scrambling to contract additional personnel amid widespread fears of contagion, the report stated.
That hospital is fucking up somehow. It is not hard to think of ways to incentivize high risk given the profession. The fact that they screwed the pooch on warning the nurse the first time means it's going to be extra costly.
Yes and no.
You can incentivize risk all you like.
Without education and/or strong moral commitment to the cause, a person may decide "no amount of money is worth this." If someone asked you to walk naked into the reactor chamber in Chernoble, and offered you a billion hundred dollars, you'd probably decline - no amount of incentive would be high enough. Even though the actual risk is very small assuming that the medical staff are following proper procedures, the perceived risk may be too high to be incentivized for those staff.
People can be terrible at making judgments with regards to actual risk vs percieved risk, and as worst-case scenarios are more interesting in the media than likely scenarios, perieved risk can quickly dwarf actual risk.
ok, say we have an outbreak. Even a small one in say, Dallas (haha)
Doctors show up. RNs show up, sure.
You think the CNA making minimum wage is showing up to clean infected bed pans?
Good fucking luck with that. Hospitals have a TON of essential people that make absolute shit for wages that take care of a TON of stuff. Think any of them will show up for work when walmart will hire them for the same amount of money?
Yes.
since they deal with horrible infections every day.
Like AIDS.
Or the flu.
called that one
Several medical personnel at the Carlos III hospital in Madrid have refused to treat certain patients, and others have resigned their posts, the Guardian reported. The hospital, according to a local nurse, was scrambling to contract additional personnel amid widespread fears of contagion, the report stated.
That hospital is fucking up somehow. It is not hard to think of ways to incentivize high risk given the profession. The fact that they screwed the pooch on warning the nurse the first time means it's going to be extra costly.
Yes and no.
You can incentivize risk all you like.
Without education and/or strong moral commitment to the cause, a person may decide "no amount of money is worth this." If someone asked you to walk naked into the reactor chamber in Chernoble, and offered you a billion hundred dollars, you'd probably decline - no amount of incentive would be high enough. Even though the actual risk is very small assuming that the medical staff are following proper procedures, the perceived risk may be too high to be incentivized for those staff.
People can be terrible at making judgments with regards to actual risk vs percieved risk, and as worst-case scenarios are more interesting in the media than likely scenarios, perieved risk can quickly dwarf actual risk.
There are definitely people in this world (maybe even in the Madrid hospital!) who would go in to help the Ebola sufferers without safety equipment if it came down to it, knowing that they'd likely die themselves.
That these nurses don't have that degree of moral commitment is unfortunate, but I'm still more displeased by the lack of effective education as to the nature and scope of the threat.
Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
I'm just saying that anyone who is saying that this will be difficult to transmit in a first world countries is vastly over estimating humanities ability to problem solve in a timely and efficient manner.
I think it'll get a lot worse in a lot more places before it gets better.
I'm just saying that anyone who is saying that this will be difficult to transmit in a first world countries is vastly over estimating humanities ability to problem solve in a timely and efficient manner.
I think it'll get a lot worse in a lot more places before it gets better.
Do you think it will ever get as bad as the Flu?
I'm more concerned about apples getting as bad as oranges.
I'm aware that more people die of more things every increment of time.
I guarantee if the garden variety flu I get every year had a 70% chance of killing me, well, I probably wouldn't be alive to voice my concerns about Ebola.
I'm just saying that anyone who is saying that this will be difficult to transmit in a first world countries is vastly over estimating humanities ability to problem solve in a timely and efficient manner.
I think it'll get a lot worse in a lot more places before it gets better.
Do you think it will ever get as bad as the Flu?
I'm more concerned about apples getting as bad as oranges.
I'm aware that more people die of more things every increment of time.
I guarantee if the garden variety flu I get every year had a 70% chance of killing me, well, I probably wouldn't be alive to voice my concerns about Ebola.
Jesus, you get the flu every year? I haven't gotten the flu in like.. 10+. No wonder you're terrified of Ebola.
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I'm just saying that anyone who is saying that this will be difficult to transmit in a first world countries is vastly over estimating humanities ability to problem solve in a timely and efficient manner.
I think it'll get a lot worse in a lot more places before it gets better.
Do you think it will ever get as bad as the Flu?
I'm more concerned about apples getting as bad as oranges.
I'm aware that more people die of more things every increment of time.
I guarantee if the garden variety flu I get every year had a 70% chance of killing me, well, I probably wouldn't be alive to voice my concerns about Ebola.
Jesus, you get the flu every year? I haven't gotten the flu in like.. 10+. No wonder you're terrified of Ebola.
I was exaggerating, it's more like every other year.
most years I get whatever stomach bug my kids get from school though.
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I highly doubt you get actual influenza every other year.
The extremely marrow transmission vectors of Ebola make it impossible for it to create a pandemic. The things that made the Spanish Flu so potent were the airborne nature of the contagion, the cramped living conditions of cities at the time, the lack of sanitation in heavily populated environments and the lack of speed in communication. These are all conditions that are not in play for a hypothetical modern Ebola outbreak.
Also I have zero respect for any doctor who refuses to treat a patient, especially when it's for a known quantity like Ebola.
I highly doubt you get actual influenza every other year.
The extremely marrow transmission vectors of Ebola make it impossible for it to create a pandemic. The things that made the Spanish Flu so potent were the airborne nature of the contagion, the cramped living conditions of cities at the time, the lack of sanitation in heavily populated environments and the lack of speed in communication. These are all conditions that are not in play for a hypothetical modern Ebola outbreak.
Also I have zero respect for any doctor who refuses to treat a patient, especially when it's for a known quantity like Ebola.
Don't forget there is willful ignorance in Africa that's contributing to the spread, which explains how 20K people caught it in West Africa when it's so hard to catch. Western aid workers say one thing, some African civilians do the opposite due to mistrust.
I highly doubt you get actual influenza every other year.
The extremely marrow transmission vectors of Ebola make it impossible for it to create a pandemic. The things that made the Spanish Flu so potent were the airborne nature of the contagion, the cramped living conditions of cities at the time, the lack of sanitation in heavily populated environments and the lack of speed in communication. These are all conditions that are not in play for a hypothetical modern Ebola outbreak.
Also I have zero respect for any doctor who refuses to treat a patient, especially when it's for a known quantity like Ebola.
how reimbursable is ebola
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I highly doubt you get actual influenza every other year.
The extremely marrow transmission vectors of Ebola make it impossible for it to create a pandemic. The things that made the Spanish Flu so potent were the airborne nature of the contagion, the cramped living conditions of cities at the time, the lack of sanitation in heavily populated environments and the lack of speed in communication. These are all conditions that are not in play for a hypothetical modern Ebola outbreak.
Also I have zero respect for any doctor who refuses to treat a patient, especially when it's for a known quantity like Ebola.
Without the right equipment? I'd refuse. What the equipment situation is going on in Spain actually is like is unclear to me, but MSF's burning through rubber suits and chlorine at ridiculous rates.
I highly doubt you get actual influenza every other year.
The extremely marrow transmission vectors of Ebola make it impossible for it to create a pandemic. The things that made the Spanish Flu so potent were the airborne nature of the contagion, the cramped living conditions of cities at the time, the lack of sanitation in heavily populated environments and the lack of speed in communication. These are all conditions that are not in play for a hypothetical modern Ebola outbreak.
Also I have zero respect for any doctor who refuses to treat a patient, especially when it's for a known quantity like Ebola.
In all honesty, it's just a job.
Going to medical school is not something you generally do for any other reason than to make money and maybe impress your sex(es) of choice.
Now, if a community put a crazy amount of resources into a doctor, yeah, they owe'em one, but in a lot of places the doctor's just riding on student loans or rich parents and doesn't owe anyone anything more than any other profession.
It would be nice for them to treat at their own risk, I guess.
I dunno, doctors go through a lot of crap to get a job that involves people puking all over you, might as well become the sort of freak that enjoys it
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Talking about sensationalist articles, Chernobyl turning most of Europe into a nuclear waste land? The writer has played too much Fallout...
to be fair that actually is a possibility. the concrete sarcophagus over the blown-out reactor was built to last about a year, until a more permanent structure could be built. it's now been almost thirty and the thing is ready to collapse. if it does, that's an unbelievable amount of radioactive dust that gets released into the atmosphere
it wouldn't be Mad Max, but there would be serious public health repercussions for the next hundred years, as well as fucked crop yields and all the grief that comes with that
Talking about sensationalist articles, Chernobyl turning most of Europe into a nuclear waste land? The writer has played too much Fallout...
to be fair that actually is a possibility. the concrete sarcophagus over the blown-out reactor was built to last about a year, until a more permanent structure could be built. it's now been almost thirty and the thing is ready to collapse. if it does, that's an unbelievable amount of radioactive dust that gets released into the atmosphere
it wouldn't be Mad Max, but there would be serious public health repercussions for the next hundred years, as well as fucked crop yields and all the grief that comes with that
They built another some over the old one I'm pretty sure.
Talking about sensationalist articles, Chernobyl turning most of Europe into a nuclear waste land? The writer has played too much Fallout...
to be fair that actually is a possibility. the concrete sarcophagus over the blown-out reactor was built to last about a year, until a more permanent structure could be built. it's now been almost thirty and the thing is ready to collapse. if it does, that's an unbelievable amount of radioactive dust that gets released into the atmosphere
it wouldn't be Mad Max, but there would be serious public health repercussions for the next hundred years, as well as fucked crop yields and all the grief that comes with that
They built another some over the old one I'm pretty sure.
a quick google search says they're building it now, and expect it to be done next year. crisis averted, it looks like
ok, say we have an outbreak. Even a small one in say, Dallas (haha)
Doctors show up. RNs show up, sure.
You think the CNA making minimum wage is showing up to clean infected bed pans?
Good fucking luck with that. Hospitals have a TON of essential people that make absolute shit for wages that take care of a TON of stuff. Think any of them will show up for work when walmart will hire them for the same amount of money?
Yes.
since they deal with horrible infections every day.
Like AIDS.
Or the flu.
called that one
Several medical personnel at the Carlos III hospital in Madrid have refused to treat certain patients, and others have resigned their posts, the Guardian reported. The hospital, according to a local nurse, was scrambling to contract additional personnel amid widespread fears of contagion, the report stated.
That hospital is fucking up somehow. It is not hard to think of ways to incentivize high risk given the profession. The fact that they screwed the pooch on warning the nurse the first time means it's going to be extra costly.
Yes and no.
You can incentivize risk all you like.
Without education and/or strong moral commitment to the cause, a person may decide "no amount of money is worth this." If someone asked you to walk naked into the reactor chamber in Chernoble, and offered you a billion hundred dollars, you'd probably decline - no amount of incentive would be high enough. Even though the actual risk is very small assuming that the medical staff are following proper procedures, the perceived risk may be too high to be incentivized for those staff.
People can be terrible at making judgments with regards to actual risk vs percieved risk, and as worst-case scenarios are more interesting in the media than likely scenarios, perieved risk can quickly dwarf actual risk.
I highly doubt you get actual influenza every other year.
The extremely marrow transmission vectors of Ebola make it impossible for it to create a pandemic. The things that made the Spanish Flu so potent were the airborne nature of the contagion, the cramped living conditions of cities at the time, the lack of sanitation in heavily populated environments and the lack of speed in communication. These are all conditions that are not in play for a hypothetical modern Ebola outbreak.
Also I have zero respect for any doctor who refuses to treat a patient, especially when it's for a known quantity like Ebola.
I'm not sure Ebola is a very well known quantity, they have already discovered that because of the large amount of human to human transmissions that have gone on in the past few months it has mutated hundreds of times. It's impossible to say definitely what traits may or may not appear as different strains continue to mutate and evolve. There's been a lot of people saying it can only spread like HIV through body fluids, but this isn't true, it can spread through sweat glands unlike HIV which means a simple handshake can transmit the virus. What's ironic to me is that the CDC until now has been telling people how awful and alarming the spread of Ebola in west Africa is, to not use public transportation, etc., but our President just recently told people in West Africa you can't get it by sitting next to someone on a bus, etc. There's a ton of misinformation going on, what it comes down to is that this is a very serious and deadly virus and the only way to deal with it is with 100% containment, which we sadly are not currently doing (although several African nations are, shutting down borders, flights, setting up armed checkpoints and quarantines).
EDIT: Also, I see a lot of people saying Ebola is a treatable condition, which as of right now is 100% BS. There is no treatment available for Ebola other than sedating you enough that you don't die a horrible agonizing death as you bleed from every orifice and organ. The very few Ebola survivors that you hear about in the news survived by being given extremely expensive blood transfusions from other survivors along with cocktails of experimental drugs like ZMapp (ZMapp, by the way, has been used on other Ebola victims like the Spanish priest and was completely useless).
This is also why the only experimental drug the poor immigrant Duncan got was a herpes drug meant for DNA-based viruses (Ebola is RNA)
Talking about sensationalist articles, Chernobyl turning most of Europe into a nuclear waste land? The writer has played too much Fallout...
to be fair that actually is a possibility. the concrete sarcophagus over the blown-out reactor was built to last about a year, until a more permanent structure could be built. it's now been almost thirty and the thing is ready to collapse. if it does, that's an unbelievable amount of radioactive dust that gets released into the atmosphere
it wouldn't be Mad Max, but there would be serious public health repercussions for the next hundred years, as well as fucked crop yields and all the grief that comes with that
They built another some over the old one I'm pretty sure.
In Ebola related discussion, as far as Africa goes, I agree with Xaquin as far as I think this gets worse before it gets better.
Which considering how fucked things are now is ridiculous. And of course America could help... oh wait I forgot. We have our current congress, which is currently fielding a record number of dipshits.
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EDIT: Also, I see a lot of people saying Ebola is a treatable condition, which as of right now is 100% BS. There is no treatment available for Ebola other than sedating you enough that you don't die a horrible agonizing death as you bleed from every orifice and organ. The very few Ebola survivors that you hear about in the news survived by being given extremely expensive blood transfusions from other survivors along with cocktails of experimental drugs like ZMapp (ZMapp, by the way, has been used on other Ebola victims like the Spanish priest and was completely useless).
The primary treatment is rehydration therapy because while I like my exaggerations about bleeding out of everywhere, very few people actually die with or from the stereotypical hemorrhaging. A significant portion appear to die from dehydration instead, which considering people mostly are sweating profusely from fever, vomiting, and having nonstop diarrhea, is understandable. Part of the greater survival rates when people were evac-ed back to the first world could be that we actually are able to hook up IVs to people and intravenously replace the fluids that are constantly being lost, whereas all people can hope for in most of the West African clinics is that they still have the strength to drink oral rehydration therapy (mix of sugar, salt, and water) and can keep enough down to stay alive.
Those 'very few' survivors we hear about in the news are from the very few Westerners who were brought back. A 71% fatality rate (the rate for those infected, as far as we can tell) means that 29% are still surviving somehow despite medicine being "lie on this mat on the floor and here's a bottle of fluid." A lot of those survivors now are actually becoming nurses to those who are currently sick, and it would appear they are immune now. This is not INSTANT DEATH UNLESS MAGIC TECH. It's just very highly likely death. It is catastrophic, not certain doom.
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See, this right here is what has been making my head explode watching any sort of coverage on this issue. It's not just that most media groups are fear-mongering, they're actually actively ignoring and/or misrepresenting the real world scenario that is playing out pretty much how the CDC said it was most likely going to play out in an attempt to get more views. /headdesk
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"We had a dipshit on the plane" is not exactly an uncommon occurrence.
You have to have lived in the South for awhile to understand these types. They really do believe what they say, and they exist in an environment where their only social contact is with either the like-minded or cowed subordinates. It's what several centuries of keeping the underlings desperate and compliant does to the upper class.
My favorite parts of this:
1) Everybody, and I mean everybody including the infants in arms, breaks out the cellphones to record this.
2) At about 5 minutes in, "You can't make this up."
3) "I ain't from Africa."
4) The flight attendant; good on her.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ebola-outbreak-fears-spread-as-briton-with-symptoms-dies-1.2794023
called that one
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.620053
That hospital is fucking up somehow. It is not hard to think of ways to incentivize high risk given the profession. The fact that they screwed the pooch on warning the nurse the first time means it's going to be extra costly.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
K?
But I haven't said that =(
The nurse knew she was treating an Ebola patient
Yes and no.
You can incentivize risk all you like.
Without education and/or strong moral commitment to the cause, a person may decide "no amount of money is worth this." If someone asked you to walk naked into the reactor chamber in Chernoble, and offered you a billion hundred dollars, you'd probably decline - no amount of incentive would be high enough. Even though the actual risk is very small assuming that the medical staff are following proper procedures, the perceived risk may be too high to be incentivized for those staff.
People can be terrible at making judgments with regards to actual risk vs percieved risk, and as worst-case scenarios are more interesting in the media than likely scenarios, perieved risk can quickly dwarf actual risk.
Should the nurses know better? Yes.
But I also understand their point of view.
Me?
I'm just saying that anyone who is saying that this will be difficult to transmit in a first world countries is vastly over estimating humanities ability to problem solve in a timely and efficient manner.
I think it'll get a lot worse in a lot more places before it gets better.
you'll always find some suckers willing to do the job
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Here's a really good article on why people are afraid of Ebola and terrorists wedging airplanes into our buildings but not global warming.
Talking about sensationalist articles, Chernobyl turning most of Europe into a nuclear waste land? The writer has played too much Fallout...
In that case, there was strong moral commitment.
There are definitely people in this world (maybe even in the Madrid hospital!) who would go in to help the Ebola sufferers without safety equipment if it came down to it, knowing that they'd likely die themselves.
That these nurses don't have that degree of moral commitment is unfortunate, but I'm still more displeased by the lack of effective education as to the nature and scope of the threat.
Do you think it will ever get as bad as the Flu?
I'm more concerned about apples getting as bad as oranges.
I'm aware that more people die of more things every increment of time.
I guarantee if the garden variety flu I get every year had a 70% chance of killing me, well, I probably wouldn't be alive to voice my concerns about Ebola.
Jesus, you get the flu every year? I haven't gotten the flu in like.. 10+. No wonder you're terrified of Ebola.
I was exaggerating, it's more like every other year.
most years I get whatever stomach bug my kids get from school though.
The extremely marrow transmission vectors of Ebola make it impossible for it to create a pandemic. The things that made the Spanish Flu so potent were the airborne nature of the contagion, the cramped living conditions of cities at the time, the lack of sanitation in heavily populated environments and the lack of speed in communication. These are all conditions that are not in play for a hypothetical modern Ebola outbreak.
Also I have zero respect for any doctor who refuses to treat a patient, especially when it's for a known quantity like Ebola.
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Don't forget there is willful ignorance in Africa that's contributing to the spread, which explains how 20K people caught it in West Africa when it's so hard to catch. Western aid workers say one thing, some African civilians do the opposite due to mistrust.
how reimbursable is ebola
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Without the right equipment? I'd refuse. What the equipment situation is going on in Spain actually is like is unclear to me, but MSF's burning through rubber suits and chlorine at ridiculous rates.
In all honesty, it's just a job.
Going to medical school is not something you generally do for any other reason than to make money and maybe impress your sex(es) of choice.
Now, if a community put a crazy amount of resources into a doctor, yeah, they owe'em one, but in a lot of places the doctor's just riding on student loans or rich parents and doesn't owe anyone anything more than any other profession.
It would be nice for them to treat at their own risk, I guess.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
to be fair that actually is a possibility. the concrete sarcophagus over the blown-out reactor was built to last about a year, until a more permanent structure could be built. it's now been almost thirty and the thing is ready to collapse. if it does, that's an unbelievable amount of radioactive dust that gets released into the atmosphere
it wouldn't be Mad Max, but there would be serious public health repercussions for the next hundred years, as well as fucked crop yields and all the grief that comes with that
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They built another some over the old one I'm pretty sure.
a quick google search says they're building it now, and expect it to be done next year. crisis averted, it looks like
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You're calling 3 people knowingly giving their lives to save countless other people suckers?
I'm not sure Ebola is a very well known quantity, they have already discovered that because of the large amount of human to human transmissions that have gone on in the past few months it has mutated hundreds of times. It's impossible to say definitely what traits may or may not appear as different strains continue to mutate and evolve. There's been a lot of people saying it can only spread like HIV through body fluids, but this isn't true, it can spread through sweat glands unlike HIV which means a simple handshake can transmit the virus. What's ironic to me is that the CDC until now has been telling people how awful and alarming the spread of Ebola in west Africa is, to not use public transportation, etc., but our President just recently told people in West Africa you can't get it by sitting next to someone on a bus, etc. There's a ton of misinformation going on, what it comes down to is that this is a very serious and deadly virus and the only way to deal with it is with 100% containment, which we sadly are not currently doing (although several African nations are, shutting down borders, flights, setting up armed checkpoints and quarantines).
EDIT: Also, I see a lot of people saying Ebola is a treatable condition, which as of right now is 100% BS. There is no treatment available for Ebola other than sedating you enough that you don't die a horrible agonizing death as you bleed from every orifice and organ. The very few Ebola survivors that you hear about in the news survived by being given extremely expensive blood transfusions from other survivors along with cocktails of experimental drugs like ZMapp (ZMapp, by the way, has been used on other Ebola victims like the Spanish priest and was completely useless).
This is also why the only experimental drug the poor immigrant Duncan got was a herpes drug meant for DNA-based viruses (Ebola is RNA)
According to Wiki they are actually still building the replacement. Due to be completed in 2016.
Which considering how fucked things are now is ridiculous. And of course America could help... oh wait I forgot. We have our current congress, which is currently fielding a record number of dipshits.
The primary treatment is rehydration therapy because while I like my exaggerations about bleeding out of everywhere, very few people actually die with or from the stereotypical hemorrhaging. A significant portion appear to die from dehydration instead, which considering people mostly are sweating profusely from fever, vomiting, and having nonstop diarrhea, is understandable. Part of the greater survival rates when people were evac-ed back to the first world could be that we actually are able to hook up IVs to people and intravenously replace the fluids that are constantly being lost, whereas all people can hope for in most of the West African clinics is that they still have the strength to drink oral rehydration therapy (mix of sugar, salt, and water) and can keep enough down to stay alive.
Those 'very few' survivors we hear about in the news are from the very few Westerners who were brought back. A 71% fatality rate (the rate for those infected, as far as we can tell) means that 29% are still surviving somehow despite medicine being "lie on this mat on the floor and here's a bottle of fluid." A lot of those survivors now are actually becoming nurses to those who are currently sick, and it would appear they are immune now. This is not INSTANT DEATH UNLESS MAGIC TECH. It's just very highly likely death. It is catastrophic, not certain doom.
Edited because I forgot about history for a bit
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