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I find this amusing: Man won't show Costco Wholesale staff receipt, suffers broken leg, sues for $670,000 (Link)
Article under spoiler:
A man who claims he was pushing his shopping cart out of a Portland Costco Wholesale warehouse when he was detained because he wouldn’t stop and show his receipt is suing the store for $670,000.
Timothy Walls emerged from the Jan. 28, 2013, encounter with a leg broken in multiple places, according to his lawsuit, filed last week in Multnomah County Circuit Court. According to one of Walls’ attorneys, Walls didn’t believe the store had a right to detain him based upon their practice of checking receipts at the door.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
Walls had just bought $102.66 worth of goods from the 4849 N.E. 138th Ave. Costco location, and as he was leaving the store an employee grabbed and held onto his shopping cart and told him he couldn’t leave, according to the suit.
Words were exchanged, and when the employee wouldn’t let go, Walls grabbed him by the shirt collar and pulled him away from his shopping cart, the suit states.
That’s when another employee used “a martial arts type strike with his leg” that the employee had learned while training with the U.S. Armed Forces, the suit states.
Walls contends he was already outside the store and in the breezeway. Costco contends he hadn’t left the store yet.
Bill Stockton, a Hillsboro attorney representing Costco, declined to comment. But in a motion he filed about the incident, he wrote that Walls' injuries were “the sole and direct result of (his) own conduct, fault, and negligence” because Walls is the one who attacked the employees.
Clayton Morrison, a Beaverton attorney representing Walls, said employees didn’t have reasonable suspicion that Walls was stealing and so they didn’t have a right to take hold of the merchandise Walls' lawfully bought. Morrison said the consequences for failing to abide by the store’s blanket policy of checking receipts shouldn’t be detainment -- it should be canceling the customer’s membership.
“The central issue in the case is ... ’What can Costco lawfully do? ... Can they actually stop you and take your property from you?’ Our answer is ‘No,’” Morrison said.
Walls is seeking $150,000 for past and future medical expenses, $20,000 for lost wages and $500,000 for pain and suffering.
I do notice that the suit doesn't go into what "grabbing the employee by the shirt collar and pulling him away from his shopping cart entails." I'm guessing it was an aggressive enough action by the shopper that caused another employee to come to the grabbed employee's defense.
The customer sounds like a real asshole.
Maybe. But employees can't stop you at the door if you don't want to be stopped.
Costco exists in a weird area where you have agreed to stop at the door by virtue of paying a membership fee to shop there.
wat. Surely that's just to get inside.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
It doesn't matter if you have signs on the wall and membership cards, unless you're police, you can't detain someone if they don't want to stop.
i'm pretty sure this is an assertion you just made up
No, we did all this arguin' a few years back when that one employee dude tackled a shopper in the parking lot of ... some store ... somewhere.
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
I don't hate grim darkness. It's DRAINING. It sucks my soul out. I'm dark enough without extra darkness. I like Diablo etc. I play them. I just have to take it easy on that shit.
I find this amusing: Man won't show Costco Wholesale staff receipt, suffers broken leg, sues for $670,000 (Link)
Article under spoiler:
A man who claims he was pushing his shopping cart out of a Portland Costco Wholesale warehouse when he was detained because he wouldn’t stop and show his receipt is suing the store for $670,000.
Timothy Walls emerged from the Jan. 28, 2013, encounter with a leg broken in multiple places, according to his lawsuit, filed last week in Multnomah County Circuit Court. According to one of Walls’ attorneys, Walls didn’t believe the store had a right to detain him based upon their practice of checking receipts at the door.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
Walls had just bought $102.66 worth of goods from the 4849 N.E. 138th Ave. Costco location, and as he was leaving the store an employee grabbed and held onto his shopping cart and told him he couldn’t leave, according to the suit.
Words were exchanged, and when the employee wouldn’t let go, Walls grabbed him by the shirt collar and pulled him away from his shopping cart, the suit states.
That’s when another employee used “a martial arts type strike with his leg” that the employee had learned while training with the U.S. Armed Forces, the suit states.
Walls contends he was already outside the store and in the breezeway. Costco contends he hadn’t left the store yet.
Bill Stockton, a Hillsboro attorney representing Costco, declined to comment. But in a motion he filed about the incident, he wrote that Walls' injuries were “the sole and direct result of (his) own conduct, fault, and negligence” because Walls is the one who attacked the employees.
Clayton Morrison, a Beaverton attorney representing Walls, said employees didn’t have reasonable suspicion that Walls was stealing and so they didn’t have a right to take hold of the merchandise Walls' lawfully bought. Morrison said the consequences for failing to abide by the store’s blanket policy of checking receipts shouldn’t be detainment -- it should be canceling the customer’s membership.
“The central issue in the case is ... ’What can Costco lawfully do? ... Can they actually stop you and take your property from you?’ Our answer is ‘No,’” Morrison said.
Walls is seeking $150,000 for past and future medical expenses, $20,000 for lost wages and $500,000 for pain and suffering.
I do notice that the suit doesn't go into what "grabbing the employee by the shirt collar and pulling him away from his shopping cart entails." I'm guessing it was an aggressive enough action by the shopper that caused another employee to come to the grabbed employee's defense.
The customer sounds like a real asshole.
Maybe. But employees can't stop you at the door if you don't want to be stopped.
Costco exists in a weird area where you have agreed to stop at the door by virtue of paying a membership fee to shop there.
wat. Surely that's just to get inside.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
It doesn't matter if you have signs on the wall and membership cards, unless you're police, you can't detain someone if they don't want to stop.
i'm pretty sure this is an assertion you just made up
No, we did all this arguin' a few years back when that one employee dude tackled a shopper in the parking lot of ... some store ... somewhere.
oh ok then
Allegedly a voice of reason.
+1
Irond WillWARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!!Cambridge. MAModeratorMod Emeritus
Destiny's remarkable staying power makes an XBone tempting
maybe closer to Christmas....
No one iwll be playing it in two weeks
Said no one about the multiplayer of a Bungie game ever.
troof
people played halo multiplayer coop for a real long time trying to knock out the skull challenges etc and there weren't even bars to fill or loot to get
i don't love crucible based on how badly i have gotten schooled but maybe will figure out a way to enjoy it
They really should avoid attaching a person's name to a game unless it is Sid Meier.
his current kickstarted project Shroud of the Avatar is coming along very nicely. I chipped in at the basic level and have been following along. They've done a bunch of alpha / beta weekends and community tests and such.
The only time I stop at the door is when I set off the alarm or I'm carrying something not in a bag.
The only thing worse than being asked to check my bag is the fact that this duder sitting at the camera station at best buy getting $10 an hour thinks he's the hottest shit because he thinks he's totally got a live one.
bowen on
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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Irond WillWARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!!Cambridge. MAModeratorMod Emeritus
LoL is the MOBA equivalent of WOw. Doesn't matter at this point if you make a better one LoL is so ubiquitous and people are so invested you'll never dethrone it
I think that can actually work to your advantage if you work around it - LoL is so big that trying to copy it won't work. So you're free to try to come up with something new instead.
yeah, i think that's where the whole "you won't dethrone WoW" thing came from
is everyone just trying to make the next WoW
no one wanted a new WoW because they already had WoW
this is true in many markets. You never replace an entrenched product or service by doing the same thing but better. The advantage for having got there first is too great.
WoW completely dethroned Everquest despite basically being "the same thing but better." You can absolutely dethrone #1, you just need to be better enough to steal their thunder and keep it. Come at the King, best not miss etc.
WoW has remained top dog because nobody has actually succeeded in "being WoW but better." If you want the WoW experience, WoW is the best way to get it.
guild wars 2 managed to carve out a nice niche and is surprisingly good. it probably chipped off a piece of WoW that WoW wasn't serving particularly well - casual semi-solo gaming. WoW is still the undisputed king of lategame content tho
I really wanted to like Guild Wars 2
it did so many things well
but the big core of the game, fightin' dudes, didn't come together very well
One thing WoW has always done really well is give their movement and abilities and combat a very kinetic, responsive, visceral feel. If you hit someone with a big attack in WoW, it feels like a big attack. If the boss has a gigantic smash attack, you'll know it. The audio and visual design reinforce each ability so things feel appropriate.
Guild Wars 2 didn't really have this. "I put a glowy symbol thing on the ground and shoot flames and get a combo bonus and that might be a really huge deal or it might just be a gigantic lightshow that does nothing." My best attacks were often visually underwhelming and deceptively powerful, and there was really no indication for the player as to what was a minor, incidental attack and what was a terrifying one-shot death blow.
It's weird. I've had this conversation with people before.. and I guess it's just me. But I found that WoW was the exact opposite. The one thing I never liked about it was the animations and how combat felt like I was just pressing buttons to make numbers appear.
this interests me
what class did you play and when
Like most people I played a little of everything.
But for my stuff I actually raided with..
I played Huntard from vanilla through BC.
Then played DK through WotLK and into the start of Cata.
Ah you played a lot more than I was assuming
ever since they went the whole [to survive, you must use a cooldown] and [to kill an enemy player, you must use a cooldown] thing I've kinda been out
might try to pick it up again when the expansion hits because that's apparently been toned down a little and trying to pick it up near the tail of an expansion, like now, is absurd.
Yea I dunno. I guess I just don't understand what people are talking about when they say it had such good animations. Most of the melee attacks used the exact same animation. It was like there were 1 hand animations and 2hand animations. Weapon didn't matter. Most the skills were repeats. Very simple and unexciting. But people praise it like crazy. Not sure why.
It's not the animations. It feels meaty to charge, hamstring, pummel, back off to intercept, then execute someone
in gw2 you can stand still and swing your sword like a channeled spell in an area for like 3 seconds and if the server agrees with you they might get hit
I find this amusing: Man won't show Costco Wholesale staff receipt, suffers broken leg, sues for $670,000 (Link)
Article under spoiler:
A man who claims he was pushing his shopping cart out of a Portland Costco Wholesale warehouse when he was detained because he wouldn’t stop and show his receipt is suing the store for $670,000.
Timothy Walls emerged from the Jan. 28, 2013, encounter with a leg broken in multiple places, according to his lawsuit, filed last week in Multnomah County Circuit Court. According to one of Walls’ attorneys, Walls didn’t believe the store had a right to detain him based upon their practice of checking receipts at the door.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
Walls had just bought $102.66 worth of goods from the 4849 N.E. 138th Ave. Costco location, and as he was leaving the store an employee grabbed and held onto his shopping cart and told him he couldn’t leave, according to the suit.
Words were exchanged, and when the employee wouldn’t let go, Walls grabbed him by the shirt collar and pulled him away from his shopping cart, the suit states.
That’s when another employee used “a martial arts type strike with his leg” that the employee had learned while training with the U.S. Armed Forces, the suit states.
Walls contends he was already outside the store and in the breezeway. Costco contends he hadn’t left the store yet.
Bill Stockton, a Hillsboro attorney representing Costco, declined to comment. But in a motion he filed about the incident, he wrote that Walls' injuries were “the sole and direct result of (his) own conduct, fault, and negligence” because Walls is the one who attacked the employees.
Clayton Morrison, a Beaverton attorney representing Walls, said employees didn’t have reasonable suspicion that Walls was stealing and so they didn’t have a right to take hold of the merchandise Walls' lawfully bought. Morrison said the consequences for failing to abide by the store’s blanket policy of checking receipts shouldn’t be detainment -- it should be canceling the customer’s membership.
“The central issue in the case is ... ’What can Costco lawfully do? ... Can they actually stop you and take your property from you?’ Our answer is ‘No,’” Morrison said.
Walls is seeking $150,000 for past and future medical expenses, $20,000 for lost wages and $500,000 for pain and suffering.
I do notice that the suit doesn't go into what "grabbing the employee by the shirt collar and pulling him away from his shopping cart entails." I'm guessing it was an aggressive enough action by the shopper that caused another employee to come to the grabbed employee's defense.
The customer sounds like a real asshole.
Maybe. But employees can't stop you at the door if you don't want to be stopped.
not without reasonable suspicion of shoplifting - which is the point of contention here
with, however, they can, rather obviously as making a shopowner just watch while a shoplifter waltzes out with his stock would be absurd.
there are new missions to do as of today in destiny
so content is flowing
Yeah, but it isn't really new content. It just has you go to old content you weren't previously farming to farm.
Destiny doesn't have enough content. It doesn't have enough dungeons, it doesn't have enough maps, it doesn't have enough quests, it doesn't have enough raids.
The game is incredibly fun and this is important because it means small bits of content can have significant payoff, you can get a ton of mileage out of "big boss + lots of dudes" as an encounter.
But in a month, when everyone who wanted to do Vault of Glass is rocking level 28-30 gear and the only reason to log on is to get marks you can't spend on anything
will the game still have legs?
I hope so, but I'm not sure. I don't know if I'll still be interested in killing that fucking Archon Priest again 30 days from now.
Two goats enter, one car leaves
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Deebaseron my way to work in a suit and a tieAhhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered Userregular
I find this amusing: Man won't show Costco Wholesale staff receipt, suffers broken leg, sues for $670,000 (Link)
Article under spoiler:
A man who claims he was pushing his shopping cart out of a Portland Costco Wholesale warehouse when he was detained because he wouldn’t stop and show his receipt is suing the store for $670,000.
Timothy Walls emerged from the Jan. 28, 2013, encounter with a leg broken in multiple places, according to his lawsuit, filed last week in Multnomah County Circuit Court. According to one of Walls’ attorneys, Walls didn’t believe the store had a right to detain him based upon their practice of checking receipts at the door.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
Walls had just bought $102.66 worth of goods from the 4849 N.E. 138th Ave. Costco location, and as he was leaving the store an employee grabbed and held onto his shopping cart and told him he couldn’t leave, according to the suit.
Words were exchanged, and when the employee wouldn’t let go, Walls grabbed him by the shirt collar and pulled him away from his shopping cart, the suit states.
That’s when another employee used “a martial arts type strike with his leg” that the employee had learned while training with the U.S. Armed Forces, the suit states.
Walls contends he was already outside the store and in the breezeway. Costco contends he hadn’t left the store yet.
Bill Stockton, a Hillsboro attorney representing Costco, declined to comment. But in a motion he filed about the incident, he wrote that Walls' injuries were “the sole and direct result of (his) own conduct, fault, and negligence” because Walls is the one who attacked the employees.
Clayton Morrison, a Beaverton attorney representing Walls, said employees didn’t have reasonable suspicion that Walls was stealing and so they didn’t have a right to take hold of the merchandise Walls' lawfully bought. Morrison said the consequences for failing to abide by the store’s blanket policy of checking receipts shouldn’t be detainment -- it should be canceling the customer’s membership.
“The central issue in the case is ... ’What can Costco lawfully do? ... Can they actually stop you and take your property from you?’ Our answer is ‘No,’” Morrison said.
Walls is seeking $150,000 for past and future medical expenses, $20,000 for lost wages and $500,000 for pain and suffering.
I do notice that the suit doesn't go into what "grabbing the employee by the shirt collar and pulling him away from his shopping cart entails." I'm guessing it was an aggressive enough action by the shopper that caused another employee to come to the grabbed employee's defense.
The customer sounds like a real asshole.
Maybe. But employees can't stop you at the door if you don't want to be stopped.
Costco exists in a weird area where you have agreed to stop at the door by virtue of paying a membership fee to shop there.
wat. Surely that's just to get inside.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
It doesn't matter if you have signs on the wall and membership cards, unless you're police, you can't detain someone if they don't want to stop.
i'm pretty sure this is an assertion you just made up
No, we did all this arguin' a few years back when that one employee dude tackled a shopper in the parking lot of ... some store ... somewhere.
oh ok then
You don't HAVE to shop at CostCo. If you don't like the way they do business, shop elsewhere. Dont prance around like a special snowflake guarding the privacy of your receipt while shouting "I KNOW MY RIGHTS"
+1
LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
Gazillion is releasing information on all of next year's heros and their advanced pack in 30 minutes
squeeeeee
I know She-Hulk is in there, and Bobby Drake. Kitty Pryde too, and lockheed is her summon
I don't hate grim darkness. It's DRAINING. It sucks my soul out. I'm dark enough without extra darkness. I like Diablo etc. I play them. I just have to take it easy on that shit.
yeah this is why I liked Titan Quest
it was diablo 2 but the artists had a color palette consisting of more than mud, grey and fake-blood
I'm fairly positive there exists no law about producing a receipt if you're suspected of shoplifting.
I'm also extremely positive there are many laws that say a great deal many things about unlawfully detaining someone on top of that.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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Deebaseron my way to work in a suit and a tieAhhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered Userregular
Full disclosure: I own like 0.00000043% of CostCo.
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
Maybe it's just part of the 'presion and having a diminished sense of fun overall, but man. I feel like every big AAA game this year has been a letdown. Titanfall, Watch_Dogs, Destiny, and even stuff I've thoroughly enjoyed like MGS Ground Zeroes and Transistor have been p.light on content. I know this is part of a new console generation, and the second installment of all of these things will probably be way better, but ack - Destiny's aggressive lack of content really bothers me. I wasn't gonna get into the whole MMO part of it anyway, and I was never a Halo fan, it was never gonna be for me but it's supposed to be the start of a 10 year franchise and they didn't bother with the story side of things, and as an outsider looking at that it feels bad.
Oh and spoilers; AC Unity is gonna be terrible. I can feel it. The one after Unity will be great. Such is the AC Cycle.
Oh brilliant
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OnTheLastCastlelet's keep it haimish for the peripateticRegistered Userregular
Destiny's remarkable staying power makes an XBone tempting
maybe closer to Christmas....
No one iwll be playing it in two weeks
Said no one about the multiplayer of a Bungie game ever.
troof
people played halo multiplayer coop for a real long time trying to knock out the skull challenges etc and there weren't even bars to fill or loot to get
i don't love crucible based on how badly i have gotten schooled but maybe will figure out a way to enjoy it
love coop missions tho. so good
i will take you under my wing
shelter you, nurse you, show you how to bungrush the heavy ammo when you hear the dopey announcer go "Heavy Ammo INCOMING" in his dumb british-sort-of- voice
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DemonStaceyTTODewback's DaughterIn love with the TaySwayRegistered Userregular
LoL is the MOBA equivalent of WOw. Doesn't matter at this point if you make a better one LoL is so ubiquitous and people are so invested you'll never dethrone it
I think that can actually work to your advantage if you work around it - LoL is so big that trying to copy it won't work. So you're free to try to come up with something new instead.
yeah, i think that's where the whole "you won't dethrone WoW" thing came from
is everyone just trying to make the next WoW
no one wanted a new WoW because they already had WoW
this is true in many markets. You never replace an entrenched product or service by doing the same thing but better. The advantage for having got there first is too great.
WoW completely dethroned Everquest despite basically being "the same thing but better." You can absolutely dethrone #1, you just need to be better enough to steal their thunder and keep it. Come at the King, best not miss etc.
WoW has remained top dog because nobody has actually succeeded in "being WoW but better." If you want the WoW experience, WoW is the best way to get it.
guild wars 2 managed to carve out a nice niche and is surprisingly good. it probably chipped off a piece of WoW that WoW wasn't serving particularly well - casual semi-solo gaming. WoW is still the undisputed king of lategame content tho
I really wanted to like Guild Wars 2
it did so many things well
but the big core of the game, fightin' dudes, didn't come together very well
One thing WoW has always done really well is give their movement and abilities and combat a very kinetic, responsive, visceral feel. If you hit someone with a big attack in WoW, it feels like a big attack. If the boss has a gigantic smash attack, you'll know it. The audio and visual design reinforce each ability so things feel appropriate.
Guild Wars 2 didn't really have this. "I put a glowy symbol thing on the ground and shoot flames and get a combo bonus and that might be a really huge deal or it might just be a gigantic lightshow that does nothing." My best attacks were often visually underwhelming and deceptively powerful, and there was really no indication for the player as to what was a minor, incidental attack and what was a terrifying one-shot death blow.
It's weird. I've had this conversation with people before.. and I guess it's just me. But I found that WoW was the exact opposite. The one thing I never liked about it was the animations and how combat felt like I was just pressing buttons to make numbers appear.
this interests me
what class did you play and when
Like most people I played a little of everything.
But for my stuff I actually raided with..
I played Huntard from vanilla through BC.
Then played DK through WotLK and into the start of Cata.
Ah you played a lot more than I was assuming
ever since they went the whole [to survive, you must use a cooldown] and [to kill an enemy player, you must use a cooldown] thing I've kinda been out
might try to pick it up again when the expansion hits because that's apparently been toned down a little and trying to pick it up near the tail of an expansion, like now, is absurd.
Yea I dunno. I guess I just don't understand what people are talking about when they say it had such good animations. Most of the melee attacks used the exact same animation. It was like there were 1 hand animations and 2hand animations. Weapon didn't matter. Most the skills were repeats. Very simple and unexciting. But people praise it like crazy. Not sure why.
It's not the animations. It feels meaty to charge, hamstring, pummel, back off to intercept, then execute someone
in gw2 you can stand still and swing your sword like a channeled spell in an area for like 3 seconds and if the server agrees with you they might get hit
Hmmm. See for me it just felt like "press button to watch character spin in circle and make numbers pop up" It was like the most disappointing part of that game for me.
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Irond WillWARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!!Cambridge. MAModeratorMod Emeritus
They really should avoid attaching a person's name to a game unless it is Sid Meier.
his current kickstarted project Shroud of the Avatar is coming along very nicely. I chipped in at the basic level and have been following along. They've done a bunch of alpha / beta weekends and community tests and such.
man richard garriott has a pretty horrible track record post-ultima 8 or so.
I find this amusing: Man won't show Costco Wholesale staff receipt, suffers broken leg, sues for $670,000 (Link)
Article under spoiler:
A man who claims he was pushing his shopping cart out of a Portland Costco Wholesale warehouse when he was detained because he wouldn’t stop and show his receipt is suing the store for $670,000.
Timothy Walls emerged from the Jan. 28, 2013, encounter with a leg broken in multiple places, according to his lawsuit, filed last week in Multnomah County Circuit Court. According to one of Walls’ attorneys, Walls didn’t believe the store had a right to detain him based upon their practice of checking receipts at the door.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
Walls had just bought $102.66 worth of goods from the 4849 N.E. 138th Ave. Costco location, and as he was leaving the store an employee grabbed and held onto his shopping cart and told him he couldn’t leave, according to the suit.
Words were exchanged, and when the employee wouldn’t let go, Walls grabbed him by the shirt collar and pulled him away from his shopping cart, the suit states.
That’s when another employee used “a martial arts type strike with his leg” that the employee had learned while training with the U.S. Armed Forces, the suit states.
Walls contends he was already outside the store and in the breezeway. Costco contends he hadn’t left the store yet.
Bill Stockton, a Hillsboro attorney representing Costco, declined to comment. But in a motion he filed about the incident, he wrote that Walls' injuries were “the sole and direct result of (his) own conduct, fault, and negligence” because Walls is the one who attacked the employees.
Clayton Morrison, a Beaverton attorney representing Walls, said employees didn’t have reasonable suspicion that Walls was stealing and so they didn’t have a right to take hold of the merchandise Walls' lawfully bought. Morrison said the consequences for failing to abide by the store’s blanket policy of checking receipts shouldn’t be detainment -- it should be canceling the customer’s membership.
“The central issue in the case is ... ’What can Costco lawfully do? ... Can they actually stop you and take your property from you?’ Our answer is ‘No,’” Morrison said.
Walls is seeking $150,000 for past and future medical expenses, $20,000 for lost wages and $500,000 for pain and suffering.
I do notice that the suit doesn't go into what "grabbing the employee by the shirt collar and pulling him away from his shopping cart entails." I'm guessing it was an aggressive enough action by the shopper that caused another employee to come to the grabbed employee's defense.
The customer sounds like a real asshole.
Maybe. But employees can't stop you at the door if you don't want to be stopped.
Costco exists in a weird area where you have agreed to stop at the door by virtue of paying a membership fee to shop there.
wat. Surely that's just to get inside.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
It doesn't matter if you have signs on the wall and membership cards, unless you're police, you can't detain someone if they don't want to stop.
i'm pretty sure this is an assertion you just made up
No, we did all this arguin' a few years back when that one employee dude tackled a shopper in the parking lot of ... some store ... somewhere.
I remember that, but that involved a Best Buy, not a Costco where you literally sign your name to a piece of paper saying that you have read and understand the membership agreement by which you consent to showing your receipt at the door before exiting.
I'm fairly positive there exists no law about producing a receipt if you're suspected of shoplifting.
I'm also extremely positive there are many laws that say a great deal many things about unlawfully detaining someone on top of that.
i'm fairly positive we are stretching the definition of detention here quite a bit in order to fit the argument that costco does not have a right to detain its customers
Maybe it's just part of the 'presion and having a diminished sense of fun overall, but man. I feel like every big AAA game this year has been a letdown. Titanfall, Watch_Dogs, Destiny, and even stuff I've thoroughly enjoyed like MGS Ground Zeroes and Transistor have been p.light on content. I know this is part of a new console generation, and the second installment of all of these things will probably be way better, but ack - Destiny's aggressive lack of content really bothers me. I wasn't gonna get into the whole MMO part of it anyway, and I was never a Halo fan, it was never gonna be for me but it's supposed to be the start of a 10 year franchise and they didn't bother with the story side of things, and as an outsider looking at that it feels bad.
Oh and spoilers; AC Unity is gonna be terrible. I can feel it. The one after Unity will be great. Such is the AC Cycle.
On the other hand, I'm constantly impressed by indie games that come out of nowhere
I'd love to join you and pay your monthly fee but when you are charging me $100 to sign up and then making me pay first and last months dues when I sign up you are pricing me out of joining at all.
I'm fairly positive there exists no law about producing a receipt if you're suspected of shoplifting.
I'm also extremely positive there are many laws that say a great deal many things about unlawfully detaining someone on top of that.
there exists a great many laws about what's lawful detainment.
Granted, I bet the guy will win this point in his case, because I'd say that store policy =/= reasonable suspicion, or whatever requirement the particular law in this case has. I'd put a nickle on that bet.
I find this amusing: Man won't show Costco Wholesale staff receipt, suffers broken leg, sues for $670,000 (Link)
Article under spoiler:
A man who claims he was pushing his shopping cart out of a Portland Costco Wholesale warehouse when he was detained because he wouldn’t stop and show his receipt is suing the store for $670,000.
Timothy Walls emerged from the Jan. 28, 2013, encounter with a leg broken in multiple places, according to his lawsuit, filed last week in Multnomah County Circuit Court. According to one of Walls’ attorneys, Walls didn’t believe the store had a right to detain him based upon their practice of checking receipts at the door.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
Walls had just bought $102.66 worth of goods from the 4849 N.E. 138th Ave. Costco location, and as he was leaving the store an employee grabbed and held onto his shopping cart and told him he couldn’t leave, according to the suit.
Words were exchanged, and when the employee wouldn’t let go, Walls grabbed him by the shirt collar and pulled him away from his shopping cart, the suit states.
That’s when another employee used “a martial arts type strike with his leg” that the employee had learned while training with the U.S. Armed Forces, the suit states.
Walls contends he was already outside the store and in the breezeway. Costco contends he hadn’t left the store yet.
Bill Stockton, a Hillsboro attorney representing Costco, declined to comment. But in a motion he filed about the incident, he wrote that Walls' injuries were “the sole and direct result of (his) own conduct, fault, and negligence” because Walls is the one who attacked the employees.
Clayton Morrison, a Beaverton attorney representing Walls, said employees didn’t have reasonable suspicion that Walls was stealing and so they didn’t have a right to take hold of the merchandise Walls' lawfully bought. Morrison said the consequences for failing to abide by the store’s blanket policy of checking receipts shouldn’t be detainment -- it should be canceling the customer’s membership.
“The central issue in the case is ... ’What can Costco lawfully do? ... Can they actually stop you and take your property from you?’ Our answer is ‘No,’” Morrison said.
Walls is seeking $150,000 for past and future medical expenses, $20,000 for lost wages and $500,000 for pain and suffering.
I do notice that the suit doesn't go into what "grabbing the employee by the shirt collar and pulling him away from his shopping cart entails." I'm guessing it was an aggressive enough action by the shopper that caused another employee to come to the grabbed employee's defense.
The customer sounds like a real asshole.
Maybe. But employees can't stop you at the door if you don't want to be stopped.
Costco exists in a weird area where you have agreed to stop at the door by virtue of paying a membership fee to shop there.
wat. Surely that's just to get inside.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
It doesn't matter if you have signs on the wall and membership cards, unless you're police, you can't detain someone if they don't want to stop.
i'm pretty sure this is an assertion you just made up
No, we did all this arguin' a few years back when that one employee dude tackled a shopper in the parking lot of ... some store ... somewhere.
oh ok then
You don't HAVE to shop at CostCo. If you don't like the way they do business, shop elsewhere. Dont prance around like a special snowflake guarding the privacy of your receipt while shouting "I KNOW MY RIGHTS"
Like lawyer dude said, the correct response is "then we will cancel your membership".
We all agree that people will be dicks about shit like this, but can you honestly not say you haven't been in a rush before and getting stopped by some person who thinks you're shoplifting and wants to pilfer through your property to make super sure isn't annoying as fuck to deal with? What if you had a bad day on top of it.
Employee 1 was a douchebag, Customer was a dick and possibly committed something like assault, Employee 2 committed goddamn assault for sure
Who escalated what, it's a chain of god damn stupid reactions all the way from beginning to end.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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I'd love to join you and pay your monthly fee but when you are charging me $100 to sign up and then making me pay first and last months dues when I sign up you are pricing me out of joining at all.
Thanks,
stevemarks44
if you join a gym you should go in knowing you're basically asking a mafia don for a favor
LoL is the MOBA equivalent of WOw. Doesn't matter at this point if you make a better one LoL is so ubiquitous and people are so invested you'll never dethrone it
I think that can actually work to your advantage if you work around it - LoL is so big that trying to copy it won't work. So you're free to try to come up with something new instead.
yeah, i think that's where the whole "you won't dethrone WoW" thing came from
is everyone just trying to make the next WoW
no one wanted a new WoW because they already had WoW
this is true in many markets. You never replace an entrenched product or service by doing the same thing but better. The advantage for having got there first is too great.
WoW completely dethroned Everquest despite basically being "the same thing but better." You can absolutely dethrone #1, you just need to be better enough to steal their thunder and keep it. Come at the King, best not miss etc.
WoW has remained top dog because nobody has actually succeeded in "being WoW but better." If you want the WoW experience, WoW is the best way to get it.
guild wars 2 managed to carve out a nice niche and is surprisingly good. it probably chipped off a piece of WoW that WoW wasn't serving particularly well - casual semi-solo gaming. WoW is still the undisputed king of lategame content tho
I really wanted to like Guild Wars 2
it did so many things well
but the big core of the game, fightin' dudes, didn't come together very well
One thing WoW has always done really well is give their movement and abilities and combat a very kinetic, responsive, visceral feel. If you hit someone with a big attack in WoW, it feels like a big attack. If the boss has a gigantic smash attack, you'll know it. The audio and visual design reinforce each ability so things feel appropriate.
Guild Wars 2 didn't really have this. "I put a glowy symbol thing on the ground and shoot flames and get a combo bonus and that might be a really huge deal or it might just be a gigantic lightshow that does nothing." My best attacks were often visually underwhelming and deceptively powerful, and there was really no indication for the player as to what was a minor, incidental attack and what was a terrifying one-shot death blow.
It's weird. I've had this conversation with people before.. and I guess it's just me. But I found that WoW was the exact opposite. The one thing I never liked about it was the animations and how combat felt like I was just pressing buttons to make numbers appear.
this interests me
what class did you play and when
Like most people I played a little of everything.
But for my stuff I actually raided with..
I played Huntard from vanilla through BC.
Then played DK through WotLK and into the start of Cata.
Ah you played a lot more than I was assuming
ever since they went the whole [to survive, you must use a cooldown] and [to kill an enemy player, you must use a cooldown] thing I've kinda been out
might try to pick it up again when the expansion hits because that's apparently been toned down a little and trying to pick it up near the tail of an expansion, like now, is absurd.
Yea I dunno. I guess I just don't understand what people are talking about when they say it had such good animations. Most of the melee attacks used the exact same animation. It was like there were 1 hand animations and 2hand animations. Weapon didn't matter. Most the skills were repeats. Very simple and unexciting. But people praise it like crazy. Not sure why.
It's not the animations. It feels meaty to charge, hamstring, pummel, back off to intercept, then execute someone
in gw2 you can stand still and swing your sword like a channeled spell in an area for like 3 seconds and if the server agrees with you they might get hit
just as an aside
destiny has by the most satisfying melee attacks of any game i've played
meaty as fuck. all 3 characters have distinct attacks with a few variants and you feel like you're mike tyson punching 200 pounds of quivering beef
also the jumping and environmental interactions are real satisfying
I'm fairly positive there exists no law about producing a receipt if you're suspected of shoplifting.
I'm also extremely positive there are many laws that say a great deal many things about unlawfully detaining someone on top of that.
i'm fairly positive we are stretching the definition of detention here quite a bit in order to fit the argument that costco does not have a right to detain its customers
This is why you can be held liable for a citizens arrest. This is why you should never perform a citizens arrest with someone uncooperative with you.
Shit will never work out for you.
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I find this amusing: Man won't show Costco Wholesale staff receipt, suffers broken leg, sues for $670,000 (Link)
Article under spoiler:
A man who claims he was pushing his shopping cart out of a Portland Costco Wholesale warehouse when he was detained because he wouldn’t stop and show his receipt is suing the store for $670,000.
Timothy Walls emerged from the Jan. 28, 2013, encounter with a leg broken in multiple places, according to his lawsuit, filed last week in Multnomah County Circuit Court. According to one of Walls’ attorneys, Walls didn’t believe the store had a right to detain him based upon their practice of checking receipts at the door.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
Walls had just bought $102.66 worth of goods from the 4849 N.E. 138th Ave. Costco location, and as he was leaving the store an employee grabbed and held onto his shopping cart and told him he couldn’t leave, according to the suit.
Words were exchanged, and when the employee wouldn’t let go, Walls grabbed him by the shirt collar and pulled him away from his shopping cart, the suit states.
That’s when another employee used “a martial arts type strike with his leg” that the employee had learned while training with the U.S. Armed Forces, the suit states.
Walls contends he was already outside the store and in the breezeway. Costco contends he hadn’t left the store yet.
Bill Stockton, a Hillsboro attorney representing Costco, declined to comment. But in a motion he filed about the incident, he wrote that Walls' injuries were “the sole and direct result of (his) own conduct, fault, and negligence” because Walls is the one who attacked the employees.
Clayton Morrison, a Beaverton attorney representing Walls, said employees didn’t have reasonable suspicion that Walls was stealing and so they didn’t have a right to take hold of the merchandise Walls' lawfully bought. Morrison said the consequences for failing to abide by the store’s blanket policy of checking receipts shouldn’t be detainment -- it should be canceling the customer’s membership.
“The central issue in the case is ... ’What can Costco lawfully do? ... Can they actually stop you and take your property from you?’ Our answer is ‘No,’” Morrison said.
Walls is seeking $150,000 for past and future medical expenses, $20,000 for lost wages and $500,000 for pain and suffering.
I do notice that the suit doesn't go into what "grabbing the employee by the shirt collar and pulling him away from his shopping cart entails." I'm guessing it was an aggressive enough action by the shopper that caused another employee to come to the grabbed employee's defense.
The customer sounds like a real asshole.
Maybe. But employees can't stop you at the door if you don't want to be stopped.
Costco exists in a weird area where you have agreed to stop at the door by virtue of paying a membership fee to shop there.
wat. Surely that's just to get inside.
The policy states: “To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.”
It doesn't matter if you have signs on the wall and membership cards, unless you're police, you can't detain someone if they don't want to stop.
i'm pretty sure this is an assertion you just made up
It is. LP staff can legally detain someone for shoplifting. The rules vary by state but in most cases there is a requirement to observe someone shoplift then keep them under observation. You can't lock them in a room but you can prevent them from leaving the premises until law enforcement arrives.
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agreed. And it is very possible to be profitable and enduring without being WoW. see: LOTRO, D&D Online
No, we did all this arguin' a few years back when that one employee dude tackled a shopper in the parking lot of ... some store ... somewhere.
oh ok then
troof
people played halo multiplayer coop for a real long time trying to knock out the skull challenges etc and there weren't even bars to fill or loot to get
i don't love crucible based on how badly i have gotten schooled but maybe will figure out a way to enjoy it
love coop missions tho. so good
his current kickstarted project Shroud of the Avatar is coming along very nicely. I chipped in at the basic level and have been following along. They've done a bunch of alpha / beta weekends and community tests and such.
The only thing worse than being asked to check my bag is the fact that this duder sitting at the camera station at best buy getting $10 an hour thinks he's the hottest shit because he thinks he's totally got a live one.
flogging molly is the poor man's pogues
It's not the animations. It feels meaty to charge, hamstring, pummel, back off to intercept, then execute someone
in gw2 you can stand still and swing your sword like a channeled spell in an area for like 3 seconds and if the server agrees with you they might get hit
cyber child prostitution
not without reasonable suspicion of shoplifting - which is the point of contention here
with, however, they can, rather obviously as making a shopowner just watch while a shoplifter waltzes out with his stock would be absurd.
Maybe I want to level up my Iron Man
*rubs chin*
Not a DF note, but I like it.
Yeah, but it isn't really new content. It just has you go to old content you weren't previously farming to farm.
Destiny doesn't have enough content. It doesn't have enough dungeons, it doesn't have enough maps, it doesn't have enough quests, it doesn't have enough raids.
The game is incredibly fun and this is important because it means small bits of content can have significant payoff, you can get a ton of mileage out of "big boss + lots of dudes" as an encounter.
But in a month, when everyone who wanted to do Vault of Glass is rocking level 28-30 gear and the only reason to log on is to get marks you can't spend on anything
will the game still have legs?
I hope so, but I'm not sure. I don't know if I'll still be interested in killing that fucking Archon Priest again 30 days from now.
You don't HAVE to shop at CostCo. If you don't like the way they do business, shop elsewhere. Dont prance around like a special snowflake guarding the privacy of your receipt while shouting "I KNOW MY RIGHTS"
squeeeeee
I know She-Hulk is in there, and Bobby Drake. Kitty Pryde too, and lockheed is her summon
OH MY GOD SO EXCITE
i dunno
they are different enough that i can enjoy them equally without being a hipster about it :P
it was diablo 2 but the artists had a color palette consisting of more than mud, grey and fake-blood
i played vanilla wow and got to level 28 and said this game sux where are the air parrys and juggle system
Oh, right.
I'm also extremely positive there are many laws that say a great deal many things about unlawfully detaining someone on top of that.
Oh and spoilers; AC Unity is gonna be terrible. I can feel it. The one after Unity will be great. Such is the AC Cycle.
i will take you under my wing
shelter you, nurse you, show you how to bungrush the heavy ammo when you hear the dopey announcer go "Heavy Ammo INCOMING" in his dumb british-sort-of- voice
Hmmm. See for me it just felt like "press button to watch character spin in circle and make numbers pop up" It was like the most disappointing part of that game for me.
man richard garriott has a pretty horrible track record post-ultima 8 or so.
I remember that, but that involved a Best Buy, not a Costco where you literally sign your name to a piece of paper saying that you have read and understand the membership agreement by which you consent to showing your receipt at the door before exiting.
in that marvel game you can't just pick your chracter right
like you can only play one of the beginner group and then new characters drop randomly once every 80 hours or whatever?
i'm fairly positive we are stretching the definition of detention here quite a bit in order to fit the argument that costco does not have a right to detain its customers
What are you supposed to do besides take down their license plate number and call the police? Taze them?
On the other hand, I'm constantly impressed by indie games that come out of nowhere
Crawl is my jam
CRAWL is my jam
I'd love to join you and pay your monthly fee but when you are charging me $100 to sign up and then making me pay first and last months dues when I sign up you are pricing me out of joining at all.
Thanks,
stevemarks44
there exists a great many laws about what's lawful detainment.
Granted, I bet the guy will win this point in his case, because I'd say that store policy =/= reasonable suspicion, or whatever requirement the particular law in this case has. I'd put a nickle on that bet.
Like lawyer dude said, the correct response is "then we will cancel your membership".
We all agree that people will be dicks about shit like this, but can you honestly not say you haven't been in a rush before and getting stopped by some person who thinks you're shoplifting and wants to pilfer through your property to make super sure isn't annoying as fuck to deal with? What if you had a bad day on top of it.
Employee 1 was a douchebag, Customer was a dick and possibly committed something like assault, Employee 2 committed goddamn assault for sure
Who escalated what, it's a chain of god damn stupid reactions all the way from beginning to end.
if you join a gym you should go in knowing you're basically asking a mafia don for a favor
just as an aside
destiny has by the most satisfying melee attacks of any game i've played
meaty as fuck. all 3 characters have distinct attacks with a few variants and you feel like you're mike tyson punching 200 pounds of quivering beef
also the jumping and environmental interactions are real satisfying
This is why you can be held liable for a citizens arrest. This is why you should never perform a citizens arrest with someone uncooperative with you.
Shit will never work out for you.
It is. LP staff can legally detain someone for shoplifting. The rules vary by state but in most cases there is a requirement to observe someone shoplift then keep them under observation. You can't lock them in a room but you can prevent them from leaving the premises until law enforcement arrives.