Boy, sure are a bunch of Nazis out there supporting gun rights, huh.
WTF I hate civil liberty now.
No one here hates civil liberties.
You most definitely framed these events as some sort of statist conspiracy theory. One you couldn't even bother to try to prove.
Oh, it's a conspiracy theory now. You and other forumers are literally conflating the protest and participants with Neo-Nazis. And we are going to pretend that a governor facing a large protest at the capital over proposed legislation, including things other than gun control, announcing that there is a "credible threat" isn't poisoning the well.
I didn't frame it as a "statist conspiracy theory", I stated that it was designed to get statists to clutch their pearls over a protest. And here we have a thread full of pearl clutching. So it seems it's working as intended.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
Boy, sure are a bunch of Nazis out there supporting gun rights, huh.
WTF I hate civil liberty now.
No one here hates civil liberties.
You most definitely framed these events as some sort of statist conspiracy theory. One you couldn't even bother to try to prove.
Oh, it's a conspiracy theory now. You and other forumers are literally conflating the protest and participants with Neo-Nazis. And we are going to pretend that a governor facing a large protest at the capital over proposed legislation, including things other than gun control, announcing that there is a "credible threat" isn't poisoning the well.
I didn't frame it as a "statist conspiracy theory", I stated that it was designed to get statists to clutch their pearls over a protest. And here we have a thread full of pearl clutching. So it seems it's working as intended.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
Neo-Nazis were literally going to Virginia to participate in the protest until they got arrested along the way for the credible threat of committing domestic terrorism.
Boy, sure are a bunch of Nazis out there supporting gun rights, huh.
WTF I hate civil liberty now.
No one here hates civil liberties.
You most definitely framed these events as some sort of statist conspiracy theory. One you couldn't even bother to try to prove.
Oh, it's a conspiracy theory now. You and other forumers are literally conflating the protest and participants with Neo-Nazis. And we are going to pretend that a governor facing a large protest at the capital over proposed legislation, including things other than gun control, announcing that there is a "credible threat" isn't poisoning the well.
I didn't frame it as a "statist conspiracy theory", I stated that it was designed to get statists to clutch their pearls over a protest. And here we have a thread full of pearl clutching. So it seems it's working as intended.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
Neo-Nazis were literally going to Virginia to participate in the protest until they got arrested along the way for the credible threat of committing domestic terrorism.
And we know that the only people gathering for the protest are Neo-Nazis. Case closed, I suppose we can loosen our grip on the pearls now.
Boy, sure are a bunch of Nazis out there supporting gun rights, huh.
WTF I hate civil liberty now.
No one here hates civil liberties.
You most definitely framed these events as some sort of statist conspiracy theory. One you couldn't even bother to try to prove.
Oh, it's a conspiracy theory now. You and other forumers are literally conflating the protest and participants with Neo-Nazis. And we are going to pretend that a governor facing a large protest at the capital over proposed legislation, including things other than gun control, announcing that there is a "credible threat" isn't poisoning the well.
I didn't frame it as a "statist conspiracy theory", I stated that it was designed to get statists to clutch their pearls over a protest. And here we have a thread full of pearl clutching. So it seems it's working as intended.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
Considering there's been what, 6? actual Nazis arrested before the protest who were planning to attend and kill people, I really don't see how he's poisoning the well.
I also don't think it's unfair to lump people who were willing to go protest alongside literal Nazis in with the Nazis. I certainly didn't feel bad about it during the Unite The Right protest. Maybe if you don't wanna be mistaken for a Nazi, don't hang out with Nazis?
Boy, sure are a bunch of Nazis out there supporting gun rights, huh.
WTF I hate civil liberty now.
No one here hates civil liberties.
You most definitely framed these events as some sort of statist conspiracy theory. One you couldn't even bother to try to prove.
Oh, it's a conspiracy theory now. You and other forumers are literally conflating the protest and participants with Neo-Nazis. And we are going to pretend that a governor facing a large protest at the capital over proposed legislation, including things other than gun control, announcing that there is a "credible threat" isn't poisoning the well.
I didn't frame it as a "statist conspiracy theory", I stated that it was designed to get statists to clutch their pearls over a protest. And here we have a thread full of pearl clutching. So it seems it's working as intended.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
Considering there's been what, 6? actual Nazis arrested before the protest who were planning to attend and kill people, I really don't see how he's poisoning the well.
I also don't think it's unfair to lump people who were willing to go protest alongside literal Nazis in with the Nazis. I certainly didn't feel bad about it during the Unite The Right protest. Maybe if you don't wanna be mistaken for a Nazi, don't hang out with Nazis?
Boy, sure are a bunch of Nazis out there supporting gun rights, huh.
WTF I hate civil liberty now.
No one here hates civil liberties.
You most definitely framed these events as some sort of statist conspiracy theory. One you couldn't even bother to try to prove.
Oh, it's a conspiracy theory now. You and other forumers are literally conflating the protest and participants with Neo-Nazis. And we are going to pretend that a governor facing a large protest at the capital over proposed legislation, including things other than gun control, announcing that there is a "credible threat" isn't poisoning the well.
I didn't frame it as a "statist conspiracy theory", I stated that it was designed to get statists to clutch their pearls over a protest. And here we have a thread full of pearl clutching. So it seems it's working as intended.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
Neo-Nazis were literally going to Virginia to participate in the protest until they got arrested along the way for the credible threat of committing domestic terrorism.
And we know that the only people gathering for the protest are Neo-Nazis. Case closed, I suppose we can loosen our grip on the pearls now.
Yeah, all those good, upstanding people marching alongside Nazis. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Boy, sure are a bunch of Nazis out there supporting gun rights, huh.
WTF I hate civil liberty now.
No one here hates civil liberties.
You most definitely framed these events as some sort of statist conspiracy theory. One you couldn't even bother to try to prove.
Oh, it's a conspiracy theory now. You and other forumers are literally conflating the protest and participants with Neo-Nazis. And we are going to pretend that a governor facing a large protest at the capital over proposed legislation, including things other than gun control, announcing that there is a "credible threat" isn't poisoning the well.
I didn't frame it as a "statist conspiracy theory", I stated that it was designed to get statists to clutch their pearls over a protest. And here we have a thread full of pearl clutching. So it seems it's working as intended.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
Neo-Nazis were literally going to Virginia to participate in the protest until they got arrested along the way for the credible threat of committing domestic terrorism.
And we know that the only people gathering for the protest are Neo-Nazis. Case closed, I suppose we can loosen our grip on the pearls now.
Yeah, all those good, upstanding people marching alongside Nazis. What the fuck are you even talking about?
6 Neo-Nazis clearly = the entire protest and everyone who planned to go and participate.
I bet Nazis also think due process and free speech are good too, so we shouldn't protest over those either. At least recognize that your galaxy-brained take is conflating everyone with a single car load of Neo-Nazis.
I feel dumb for having to say this, but everyone has to eat food .... not everyone has to march with neo nazis
This is absolutely the most big brained take on this possible. Oh no, a Neo-Nazi somewhere might think having X right violated is bad ergo that right is bad and everyone who thinks X right shouldn't be violated is bad.
Boy, sure are a bunch of Nazis out there supporting gun rights, huh.
WTF I hate civil liberty now.
No one here hates civil liberties.
You most definitely framed these events as some sort of statist conspiracy theory. One you couldn't even bother to try to prove.
Oh, it's a conspiracy theory now. You and other forumers are literally conflating the protest and participants with Neo-Nazis. And we are going to pretend that a governor facing a large protest at the capital over proposed legislation, including things other than gun control, announcing that there is a "credible threat" isn't poisoning the well.
I didn't frame it as a "statist conspiracy theory", I stated that it was designed to get statists to clutch their pearls over a protest. And here we have a thread full of pearl clutching. So it seems it's working as intended.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
Neo-Nazis were literally going to Virginia to participate in the protest until they got arrested along the way for the credible threat of committing domestic terrorism.
And we know that the only people gathering for the protest are Neo-Nazis. Case closed, I suppose we can loosen our grip on the pearls now.
How many heavily armed Nazis caught plotting domestic terrorism at a protest does it take to consider an emergency order from the governor to be prudence rather than "poisoning the well"? I would have thought six to be five too many.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
Maybe we could just have everyone wear identifying armbands
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
So far all 6 seem to have been arrested for various weapons charges not related to the protest. The original report for the first 3 said there was evidence they were planning something for the protest, but I haven't seen mention of what yet.
They aren't second amendment supporters, either way. No Nazi is. They want a race war, and it's already no secret, including the writings of at least one mass shooter, that their intention is to basically cause so much unrest the government comes down hard, causing the "common man" to rise up, letting them then usurp the uprising for their own needs.
The majority of the people at the rally Monday won't be Nazis, nor will they want Nazis there. Heck, Antifa has urged its members to attend.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids show up with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
that's not really what I said
I'm not really sure what you mean by praxis either. Is it a reprehensible ideology responsible for the deaths of millions? because if so, I wouldn't be caught dead marching with them.
So far all 6 seem to have been arrested for various weapons charges not related to the protest. The original report for the first 3 said there was evidence they were planning something for the protest, but I haven't seen mention of what yet.
They aren't second amendment supporters, either way. No Nazi is. They want a race war, and it's already no secret, including the writings of at least one mass shooter, that their intention is to basically cause so much unrest the government comes down hard, causing the "common man" to rise up, letting them then usurp the uprising for their own needs.
The majority of the people at the rally Monday won't be Nazis, nor will they want Nazis there. Heck, Antifa has urged its members to attend.
That sounds like a pretty good reason to declare a temporary State of Emergency.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids show up with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
that's not really what I said
I'm not really sure what you mean by praxis either. Is it a reprehensible ideology responsible for the deaths of millions? because if so, I wouldn't be caught dead marching with them.
He means breaking windows. Which I've seen pretty consistently denounced on these forums whenever something turns riot.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids show up with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
that's not really what I said
I'm not really sure what you mean by praxis either. Is it a reprehensible ideology responsible for the deaths of millions? because if so, I wouldn't be caught dead marching with them.
He means breaking windows. Which I've seen pretty consistently denounced on these forums whenever something turns riot.
oh
that's really not the same as supporting an ideology at all so no, I wouldn't lump all protestors in with them.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids show up with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
that's not really what I said
I'm not really sure what you mean by praxis either. Is it a reprehensible ideology responsible for the deaths of millions? because if so, I wouldn't be caught dead marching with them.
He means breaking windows. Which I've seen pretty consistently denounced on these forums whenever something turns riot.
oh
that's really not the same as supporting an ideology at all so no, I wouldn't lump all protestors in with them.
They might have some choice words for you if you told them this.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
Yeah, I'm saying if Nazis or Proud Boys or whatever shows up at your rally and you don't get in their face and tell them to fuck off and instead march alongside them, I'm totally gonna lump you in with them.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
Yeah, I'm saying if Nazis or Proud Boys or whatever shows up at your rally and you don't get in their face and tell them to fuck off and instead march alongside them, I'm totally gonna lump you in with them.
This didn't even get to that point because the protest isn't until Monday and they were all arrested in different states than the one the protest will take place in. And yet you still conflated everyone else with Nazis. It's almost like you're arguing in bad faith.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
Yeah, I'm saying if Nazis or Proud Boys or whatever shows up at your rally and you don't get in their face and tell them to fuck off and instead march alongside them, I'm totally gonna lump you in with them.
This didn't even get to that point because the protest isn't until Monday and they were all arrested in different states than the one the protest will take place in. And yet you still conflated everyone else with Nazis. It's almost like you're arguing in bad faith.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
I'm the one arguing in bad faith?
Also, yeah, we're talking about a future event. It doesn't make anything I said less true. It was true for the protesters in Charlottesville and we'll see if it's going to be true for the protesters in Virginia.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
Yeah, I'm saying if Nazis or Proud Boys or whatever shows up at your rally and you don't get in their face and tell them to fuck off and instead march alongside them, I'm totally gonna lump you in with them.
This didn't even get to that point because the protest isn't until Monday and they were all arrested in different states than the one the protest will take place in. And yet you still conflated everyone else with Nazis. It's almost like you're arguing in bad faith.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
I'm the one arguing in bad faith?
Also, yeah, we're talking about a future event. It doesn't make anything I said less true. It was true for the protesters in Charlottesville and we'll see if it's going to be true for the protesters in Virginia.
Yes. Mocking you in response to your bad argument isn't bad faith argumentation.
The majority of the people at the rally Monday won't be Nazis, nor will they want Nazis there. Heck, Antifa has urged its members to attend.
mmmmm the way you're phrasing this kind of makes it sound like "big antifa" is involved, instead of non-existent, when it's actually a single local group (with its own particular interests and message) in attendance
i think the distinction is important in this instance
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I cannot believe this whole batshit argument is coming from not allowing guns at a time and location where there have been multiple documented, actionable threats.
The gun nuts in this country have completely lost the fucking script.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
Yeah, I'm saying if Nazis or Proud Boys or whatever shows up at your rally and you don't get in their face and tell them to fuck off and instead march alongside them, I'm totally gonna lump you in with them.
Also, so far law enforcement have identified and arrested six. While I wouldn't want to speculate on numbers or percentages, I do think it'd be naive to think that law enforcement identified and arrested everyone involved, or had matching ideologies or sympathies.
I do not doubt there will absolutely be more, and so Northam trying to limit the number of weapons in a mob situation, even if people do still carry illegally, seems a reasonable response to the threat identified.
I am glad that the feds and local police have arrested 6 of their compatriots prior to the protest, and furthermore, disavow all Neo-Nazi activity at the protest I am certainly not attending but is expected to draw in thousands of people.
Gov. Northam and company are still bullshit since they have tried blaming the restrictions on Capitol Police requests and they in turn said ‘no, lol wtf we’re good’.
But really, the entire protest which has been planned for weeks is suddenly alt-right neo-nazi territory because three days prior 6 assholes are arrested and now it’s conflated with Charlottesville before it kicks off. It seems like everybody is eager to point to the other side and say “bad! I told you so!” and I just want the whole protest to proceed safely and convey to the Virginian State Gov that their new proposed legislation is bullshit and not supported by their constituents.
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Given that the people just voted in the legislature, I'm pretty confident the majority of constituents are a-ok with it. This isn't a lame duck session sneaking some shit in. This is a new congress with a fresh mandate with control of all branches of government.
all I'll say is that if I was protesting something that neo nazis were also protesting, I'd at the very least do it some other time or location.
Let's not be vague, how many Nazis does it take before it becomes a Nazi March? I'm certainly comfortable labeling a protest with 55% Nazis a Nazi March, but what if there's only 2 Nazis? I'm not sure of the answer, but we should know before counting the number of Nazis at the upcoming protest.
interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
Yeah, I'm saying if Nazis or Proud Boys or whatever shows up at your rally and you don't get in their face and tell them to fuck off and instead march alongside them, I'm totally gonna lump you in with them.
This didn't even get to that point because the protest isn't until Monday and they were all arrested in different states than the one the protest will take place in. And yet you still conflated everyone else with Nazis. It's almost like you're arguing in bad faith.
I suppose it's possible that the non-Nazi gun owners at the protest will tell the literal Nazis that inevitably show up to fuck off. I just don't think that's likely. I guess I've been drinking too much poisoned well water?
And let's say the gun owners do tell the Nazis to fuck off. I'd rather there not be guns, especially high-capacity, quick-firing varieties, in the hands of both sides of what's sure to be a heated argument. Just so it's less likely that something really unfortunate happens.
... and convey to the Virginian State Gov that their new proposed legislation is bullshit and not supported by their constituents.
Senate Bill 35: Authorizes any locality to prohibit the possession of firearms and ammunition in public spaces during permitted events or events that would otherwise require a permit
I'm 100% fine with this. Any event where there's a gun increases the chance that somebody gets shot.
SB 69: Prohibits anyone who is not a licensed firearms dealer from purchasing more than one handgun within a 30-day period, making the offense a Class 1 misdemeanor.
I'm 100% fine with this. I don't even buy more than one video game per month, and last I checked, video games weren't explicitly designed to kill people and look cool.
SB 70: Requires background checks for any firearm transfer and directs State Police to set up a process for obtaining such a check from a licensed firearms dealer. Anyone who sells a firearm without a background check is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and the person who receives the firearm is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
Oh fuck yes. Gimme more bills like this! It doesn't go far enough in my opinion, but it's a good start!
This legislation is fucking awesome and supported by their constituents. Source: I am an authority on gun laws I think are awesome and a VA constituent.
Given that the people just voted in the legislature, I'm pretty confident the majority of constituents are a-ok with it. This isn't a lame duck session sneaking some shit in. This is a new congress with a fresh mandate with control of all branches of government.
I mean, 91 out of 95 counties in VA have adopted 2A Sanctuary status so I guess they must be real popular.
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Given that the people just voted in the legislature, I'm pretty confident the majority of constituents are a-ok with it. This isn't a lame duck session sneaking some shit in. This is a new congress with a fresh mandate with control of all branches of government.
I mean, 91 out of 95 counties in VA have adopted 2A Sanctuary status so I guess they must be real popular.
oh word, did the constituents of those counties vote on that?
Given that the people just voted in the legislature, I'm pretty confident the majority of constituents are a-ok with it. This isn't a lame duck session sneaking some shit in. This is a new congress with a fresh mandate with control of all branches of government.
I mean, 91 out of 95 counties in VA have adopted 2A Sanctuary status so I guess they must be real popular.
oh word, did the constituents of those counties vote on that?
From my understanding, it was the result of people showing up to local government meetings and voicing their support for it and then the council voting on it.
VCDL has had good coverage on it.
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We literally just had an election where democrats running for office promised to pass these bills, and those democrats won, and now they're passing the bills.
Stop wasting your breath with this "not supported by the constituents" argument
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WTF I hate civil liberty now.
No one here hates civil liberties.
You most definitely framed these events as some sort of statist conspiracy theory. One you couldn't even bother to try to prove.
Oh, it's a conspiracy theory now. You and other forumers are literally conflating the protest and participants with Neo-Nazis. And we are going to pretend that a governor facing a large protest at the capital over proposed legislation, including things other than gun control, announcing that there is a "credible threat" isn't poisoning the well.
I didn't frame it as a "statist conspiracy theory", I stated that it was designed to get statists to clutch their pearls over a protest. And here we have a thread full of pearl clutching. So it seems it's working as intended.
Hitler drank water, so I hope you don't. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi now.
Neo-Nazis were literally going to Virginia to participate in the protest until they got arrested along the way for the credible threat of committing domestic terrorism.
And we know that the only people gathering for the protest are Neo-Nazis. Case closed, I suppose we can loosen our grip on the pearls now.
Considering there's been what, 6? actual Nazis arrested before the protest who were planning to attend and kill people, I really don't see how he's poisoning the well.
I also don't think it's unfair to lump people who were willing to go protest alongside literal Nazis in with the Nazis. I certainly didn't feel bad about it during the Unite The Right protest. Maybe if you don't wanna be mistaken for a Nazi, don't hang out with Nazis?
Hitler ate food, hope you don't eat food.
Yeah, all those good, upstanding people marching alongside Nazis. What the fuck are you even talking about?
6 Neo-Nazis clearly = the entire protest and everyone who planned to go and participate.
I bet Nazis also think due process and free speech are good too, so we shouldn't protest over those either. At least recognize that your galaxy-brained take is conflating everyone with a single car load of Neo-Nazis.
This is absolutely the most big brained take on this possible. Oh no, a Neo-Nazi somewhere might think having X right violated is bad ergo that right is bad and everyone who thinks X right shouldn't be violated is bad.
How many heavily armed Nazis caught plotting domestic terrorism at a protest does it take to consider an emergency order from the governor to be prudence rather than "poisoning the well"? I would have thought six to be five too many.
Maybe we could just have everyone wear identifying armbands
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interesting question
in my day, even just one nazi (neo or otherwise) showing up would be told in no uncertain terms to fuck off.
these days, I feel like if you're comfortable enough to be marching with even two or three, than I'm comfortable enough calling you friendly towards nazis
So you're of the opinion that everyone at a rally or protest is responsible if a single person with bad intentions shows up (or in this case is arrested before they even get into the same state as the protest)? I hope you're consistent on that, like say if a group of organized upper middle class suburbanite kids with bike locks show up to engage in "praxis" at an otherwise peaceful protest.
They aren't second amendment supporters, either way. No Nazi is. They want a race war, and it's already no secret, including the writings of at least one mass shooter, that their intention is to basically cause so much unrest the government comes down hard, causing the "common man" to rise up, letting them then usurp the uprising for their own needs.
The majority of the people at the rally Monday won't be Nazis, nor will they want Nazis there. Heck, Antifa has urged its members to attend.
that's not really what I said
I'm not really sure what you mean by praxis either. Is it a reprehensible ideology responsible for the deaths of millions? because if so, I wouldn't be caught dead marching with them.
That sounds like a pretty good reason to declare a temporary State of Emergency.
He means breaking windows. Which I've seen pretty consistently denounced on these forums whenever something turns riot.
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that's really not the same as supporting an ideology at all so no, I wouldn't lump all protestors in with them.
They might have some choice words for you if you told them this.
Yeah, I'm saying if Nazis or Proud Boys or whatever shows up at your rally and you don't get in their face and tell them to fuck off and instead march alongside them, I'm totally gonna lump you in with them.
This didn't even get to that point because the protest isn't until Monday and they were all arrested in different states than the one the protest will take place in. And yet you still conflated everyone else with Nazis. It's almost like you're arguing in bad faith.
I'm the one arguing in bad faith?
Also, yeah, we're talking about a future event. It doesn't make anything I said less true. It was true for the protesters in Charlottesville and we'll see if it's going to be true for the protesters in Virginia.
Yes. Mocking you in response to your bad argument isn't bad faith argumentation.
mmmmm the way you're phrasing this kind of makes it sound like "big antifa" is involved, instead of non-existent, when it's actually a single local group (with its own particular interests and message) in attendance
i think the distinction is important in this instance
The gun nuts in this country have completely lost the fucking script.
Also, so far law enforcement have identified and arrested six. While I wouldn't want to speculate on numbers or percentages, I do think it'd be naive to think that law enforcement identified and arrested everyone involved, or had matching ideologies or sympathies.
I do not doubt there will absolutely be more, and so Northam trying to limit the number of weapons in a mob situation, even if people do still carry illegally, seems a reasonable response to the threat identified.
Gov. Northam and company are still bullshit since they have tried blaming the restrictions on Capitol Police requests and they in turn said ‘no, lol wtf we’re good’.
But really, the entire protest which has been planned for weeks is suddenly alt-right neo-nazi territory because three days prior 6 assholes are arrested and now it’s conflated with Charlottesville before it kicks off. It seems like everybody is eager to point to the other side and say “bad! I told you so!” and I just want the whole protest to proceed safely and convey to the Virginian State Gov that their new proposed legislation is bullshit and not supported by their constituents.
I suppose it's possible that the non-Nazi gun owners at the protest will tell the literal Nazis that inevitably show up to fuck off. I just don't think that's likely. I guess I've been drinking too much poisoned well water?
And let's say the gun owners do tell the Nazis to fuck off. I'd rather there not be guns, especially high-capacity, quick-firing varieties, in the hands of both sides of what's sure to be a heated argument. Just so it's less likely that something really unfortunate happens.
I'm 100% fine with this. I don't even buy more than one video game per month, and last I checked, video games weren't explicitly designed to kill people and look cool.
Oh fuck yes. Gimme more bills like this! It doesn't go far enough in my opinion, but it's a good start!
This legislation is fucking awesome and supported by their constituents. Source: I am an authority on gun laws I think are awesome and a VA constituent.
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I mean, 91 out of 95 counties in VA have adopted 2A Sanctuary status so I guess they must be real popular.
oh word, did the constituents of those counties vote on that?
From my understanding, it was the result of people showing up to local government meetings and voicing their support for it and then the council voting on it.
VCDL has had good coverage on it.
Stop wasting your breath with this "not supported by the constituents" argument