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[Superheroes] It's the end of the world as we know it

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Think of it as, I guess, rather than the Marvel universe being composed out of all of these alternate realities

    It's now composed out of all these countries

    So like, Spider-Man and Luke Cage and Mr. Fantastic all live in the Sovereign City State of New York

    And maybe Moon Knight, Ye Olde Daredevil, and Alternate Heroic Doctor Doom live in Great Britain

    And then they mostly stay put

    But sometimes they move around, some more than others

    You know, like those some do with alternate realities now

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    HermanoHermano Registered User regular
    Is this going to negatively affect comics like Hawkeye and Ant-man and Squirrel Girl

    That's all I really care about


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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    There is an actual 0% chance that Battleworld will be the only planet in the universe by the end of Secret Wars, or at least by Issue #1 of whatever's next

    if I'm wrong I will buy a hat and eat it

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    The thing I don't like about events is they fuck up the stories I already like and want to continue reading as they are

    Suddenly they become about some other thing that I don't know where it comes from or what it is and I don't really care

    This sounds like the biggest version of that possible and it sounds like exactly what I don't want

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    "trying to be normal" does not apply in a fundamental shift like that. I mean, the stuff they're talking about is singularity level stuff. There wouldn't be such a thing as "normal." There would be no reason. There would be no ability.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I am absolutely certain that no matter how big Secret Wars is, it is not going to derail successful and critically acclaimed books like Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, etc. in any appreciable way

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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Hermano wrote: »
    Is this going to negatively affect comics like Hawkeye and Ant-man and Squirrel Girl

    That's all I really care about
    Every

    Comic

    Is

    Involved

    All of them

    For the next Year

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    HermanoHermano Registered User regular
    Hermano wrote: »
    Is this going to negatively affect comics like Hawkeye and Ant-man and Squirrel Girl

    That's all I really care about
    Every

    Comic

    Is

    Involved

    All of them

    For the next Year

    Well fart on this then!


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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    Hermano wrote: »
    Is this going to negatively affect comics like Hawkeye and Ant-man and Squirrel Girl

    That's all I really care about

    There is no reason it should

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Like I was just reading through Captain Marvel and Guardians of the Galaxy and suddenly both of them for 2 issues were about some giant space battle that literally comes out of nowhere and derails every single plotline and was not remotely relevant

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Hermano wrote: »
    Is this going to negatively affect comics like Hawkeye and Ant-man and Squirrel Girl

    That's all I really care about
    Every

    Comic

    Is

    Involved

    All of them

    For the next Year
    Except you have no idea what stories they will be telling

    what is Moon Knight is just Moon Knight except he fights 1602 Bushwacker

    or Ms. Marvel is still going to school but now her class has characters from the Ultimate Universe in it, including Miles Morales

    you are assuming the worst, which is dumb

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    I am absolutely certain that no matter how big Secret Wars is, it is not going to derail successful and critically acclaimed books like Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, etc. in any appreciable way

    Yeah, this sort of thing happens in comics

    There might be like, one or two weird issues that are about things

    But for the vast majority of existing properties, shit ain't gonna change

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Like I was just reading through Captain Marvel and Guardians of the Galaxy and suddenly both of them for 2 issues were about some giant space battle that literally comes out of nowhere and derails every single plotline and was not remotely relevant

    I hate stuff like that because for someone only causally into reading comics, it makes it really hard to follow some of these stories that go across multiple different people.

    Especially digitally since they sometimes don't tell you which other comic to read next instead of just the next issue of the run you are reading.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    The only forcible change to books like Ant-Man and Daredevil is that they probably will be back in NYC since that is the 616 Incursion Zone

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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
    Looking at the issues included in the Secret Wars Prelude trade Marvel's putting out in April
    One of them is Fantastic Four 611, the final issue of Hickman's run

    Is future Valeria coming back??

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    The Trial of Jean Gray may have been even more irritating because it involved the characters but if you just read Guardians you only get half the story

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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Basically I hope this goes well

    But marvels events have been pretty inconsistent about tie in quality lately so I am deeply worried

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    EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    Well this is all a bizarre thing to walk into

    I think

    I think I could definitely dig it being the new normal for a little while, though?

    I mean eventually I think I'd want to see good ol Earth returning and everything more or less getting back to normal

    But for a little while Battleworld being the setting could be cool

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.

    Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.

    Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Well this is all a bizarre thing to walk into

    I think

    I think I could definitely dig it being the new normal for a little while, though?

    I mean eventually I think I'd want to see good ol Earth returning and everything more or less getting back to normal

    But for a little while Battleworld being the setting could be cool
    This is by far the most likely scenario

    Battleworld will be the new norm for a year or two

    then the old Universe returns but is now MARVEL EARTH-001 and all of the most popular and successful alt-universe bits and characters are incorporated into it

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    I'd say I totally called the Ultimate Universe being the final incursion, but I think everyone else did too :biggrin:

    Anywho, it's a bold move to stick with this insane new status quo going forward. Not sure how I feel about it, other than it seems like it's going to be disruptive as hell. I do think we're going to see Marvel lose a ton of readers over this, and it doesn't look like the kind of thing that'll attract new readers.

    I do like how this is basically Marvel's way of fixing One More Day without outright undoing it. :biggrin:

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    The only forcible change to books like Ant-Man and Daredevil is that they probably will be back in NYC since that is the 616 Incursion Zone

    I bet that they will actually time jump ahead to after Secret Wars is over

    much like what happened back with the original Secret Wars in the 80s

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.

    Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.

    Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
    It isn't a few blocks away though

    Battleworld is an entire planet

    People in New York trying to live normal lives despite having multiple nations/areas run by murderous supervillains is literally the normal status quo

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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
    Basically I hope this goes well

    But marvels events have been pretty inconsistent about tie in quality lately so I am deeply worried

    For me, the tie-ins have been better than the actual events as of late. The exception of course being Infinity, and since Secret Wars is Hickman's baby...

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    I do like how this is basically Marvel's way of fixing One More Day without outright undoing it. :biggrin:

    I can't even

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    EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Well this is all a bizarre thing to walk into

    I think

    I think I could definitely dig it being the new normal for a little while, though?

    I mean eventually I think I'd want to see good ol Earth returning and everything more or less getting back to normal

    But for a little while Battleworld being the setting could be cool
    This is by far the most likely scenario

    Battleworld will be the new norm for a year or two

    then the old Universe returns but is now MARVEL EARTH-001 and all of the most popular and successful alt-universe bits and characters are incorporated into it

    Yeah, this would be ideal

    Especially if it meant like, getting Miles or Spider-Gwen into the mainline universe

    Or both!

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    It's not really all that different to the normal 616 Earth. It already had the savage land, Atlantis, that time everyone in NY got spider powers etc etc etc. It's not that big a change.

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Well I guess we see how Marvel's NYC Offices sees the fly-over states now.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.

    Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.

    Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
    It isn't a few blocks away though

    Battleworld is an entire planet

    People in New York trying to live normal lives despite having multiple nations/areas run by murderous supervillains is literally the normal status quo

    Yeah but it's not like, they have to worry about supervillains running a post apocalyptic New Jersey or anything.

    Supervillain controlled nations are usually a bit farther away and so it's easy to tell stories that seem like they might take place in a semi-normal world because of that. Like those places exist, if the story requires them, but they aren't right outside the city.

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Well I guess we see how Marvel's NYC Offices sees the fly-over states now.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Wait I thought Secret Wars was only going to last 5 months?

    I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!!!
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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.

    Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.

    Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
    It isn't a few blocks away though

    Battleworld is an entire planet

    People in New York trying to live normal lives despite having multiple nations/areas run by murderous supervillains is literally the normal status quo

    Yeah but it's not like, they have to worry about supervillains running a post apocalyptic New Jersey or anything.

    Supervillain controlled nations are usually a bit farther away and so it's easy to tell stories that seem like they might take place in a semi-normal world because of that. Like those places exist, if the story requires them, but they aren't right outside the city.

    Do we know that they will be right outside the city now?

    Because that seems like a pretty big assumption from where I'm sitting.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    It's not really all that different to the normal 616 Earth. It already had the savage land, Atlantis, that time everyone in NY got spider powers etc etc etc. It's not that big a change.

    there is no way that is true.

    Having an entire planet deleted around you is a big deal.

    for instance, new york city is not self sufficient.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Also, the real world New Jersey is pretty much a post apocalyptic hellscape run by a supervillain

    So yeah, actually

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    ElderlycrawfishElderlycrawfish Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.

    Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.

    Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld

    New York has always existed with New Jersey right over there, something like Murderworld or Apocalypseland would barely raise an eyebrow.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    so where is pakistan

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Furu wrote: »
    you guys are reading into it wrong

    battleworld is not the "new normal" but whatever universe comes out of secret wars is going to use elements from everything that made up Battleworld

    This makes more sense

    it seems like kind of a really bad idea to just have 1000 versions of every character running around and not even need to have plot magic get them together

    I assume there will be some kind of culling

    like, perhaps, some sort of war?

    perhaps a secret one?

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    HermanoHermano Registered User regular
    Sorry for being dense but what happens to the galactic stuff if everything's about "Battleworld"

    Will the Guardians be trapped on Earth? Where do all the other races go?


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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.

    Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.

    Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
    It isn't a few blocks away though

    Battleworld is an entire planet

    People in New York trying to live normal lives despite having multiple nations/areas run by murderous supervillains is literally the normal status quo

    Yeah but it's not like, they have to worry about supervillains running a post apocalyptic New Jersey or anything.

    Supervillain controlled nations are usually a bit farther away and so it's easy to tell stories that seem like they might take place in a semi-normal world because of that. Like those places exist, if the story requires them, but they aren't right outside the city.

    Do we know that they will be right outside the city now?

    Because that seems like a pretty big assumption from where I'm sitting.

    Two of the places immediately outside Manhattan are still "classified", but aside from that they're pretty much immediately next to "The City", High Avalon, and the Eye of Agamotto

    I'd be willing to bet at least one of those two classified zones are total shitholes though

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