There is an actual 0% chance that Battleworld will be the only planet in the universe by the end of Secret Wars, or at least by Issue #1 of whatever's next
"trying to be normal" does not apply in a fundamental shift like that. I mean, the stuff they're talking about is singularity level stuff. There wouldn't be such a thing as "normal." There would be no reason. There would be no ability.
I am absolutely certain that no matter how big Secret Wars is, it is not going to derail successful and critically acclaimed books like Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, etc. in any appreciable way
Like I was just reading through Captain Marvel and Guardians of the Galaxy and suddenly both of them for 2 issues were about some giant space battle that literally comes out of nowhere and derails every single plotline and was not remotely relevant
I am absolutely certain that no matter how big Secret Wars is, it is not going to derail successful and critically acclaimed books like Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, etc. in any appreciable way
Yeah, this sort of thing happens in comics
There might be like, one or two weird issues that are about things
But for the vast majority of existing properties, shit ain't gonna change
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Like I was just reading through Captain Marvel and Guardians of the Galaxy and suddenly both of them for 2 issues were about some giant space battle that literally comes out of nowhere and derails every single plotline and was not remotely relevant
I hate stuff like that because for someone only causally into reading comics, it makes it really hard to follow some of these stories that go across multiple different people.
Especially digitally since they sometimes don't tell you which other comic to read next instead of just the next issue of the run you are reading.
The Trial of Jean Gray may have been even more irritating because it involved the characters but if you just read Guardians you only get half the story
I think I could definitely dig it being the new normal for a little while, though?
I mean eventually I think I'd want to see good ol Earth returning and everything more or less getting back to normal
But for a little while Battleworld being the setting could be cool
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The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.
Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.
Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
I think I could definitely dig it being the new normal for a little while, though?
I mean eventually I think I'd want to see good ol Earth returning and everything more or less getting back to normal
But for a little while Battleworld being the setting could be cool
This is by far the most likely scenario
Battleworld will be the new norm for a year or two
then the old Universe returns but is now MARVEL EARTH-001 and all of the most popular and successful alt-universe bits and characters are incorporated into it
I'd say I totally called the Ultimate Universe being the final incursion, but I think everyone else did too :biggrin:
Anywho, it's a bold move to stick with this insane new status quo going forward. Not sure how I feel about it, other than it seems like it's going to be disruptive as hell. I do think we're going to see Marvel lose a ton of readers over this, and it doesn't look like the kind of thing that'll attract new readers.
I do like how this is basically Marvel's way of fixing One More Day without outright undoing it. :biggrin:
The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.
Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.
Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
It isn't a few blocks away though
Battleworld is an entire planet
People in New York trying to live normal lives despite having multiple nations/areas run by murderous supervillains is literally the normal status quo
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But marvels events have been pretty inconsistent about tie in quality lately so I am deeply worried
For me, the tie-ins have been better than the actual events as of late. The exception of course being Infinity, and since Secret Wars is Hickman's baby...
I think I could definitely dig it being the new normal for a little while, though?
I mean eventually I think I'd want to see good ol Earth returning and everything more or less getting back to normal
But for a little while Battleworld being the setting could be cool
This is by far the most likely scenario
Battleworld will be the new norm for a year or two
then the old Universe returns but is now MARVEL EARTH-001 and all of the most popular and successful alt-universe bits and characters are incorporated into it
Yeah, this would be ideal
Especially if it meant like, getting Miles or Spider-Gwen into the mainline universe
It's not really all that different to the normal 616 Earth. It already had the savage land, Atlantis, that time everyone in NY got spider powers etc etc etc. It's not that big a change.
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Well I guess we see how Marvel's NYC Offices sees the fly-over states now.
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The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.
Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.
Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
It isn't a few blocks away though
Battleworld is an entire planet
People in New York trying to live normal lives despite having multiple nations/areas run by murderous supervillains is literally the normal status quo
Yeah but it's not like, they have to worry about supervillains running a post apocalyptic New Jersey or anything.
Supervillain controlled nations are usually a bit farther away and so it's easy to tell stories that seem like they might take place in a semi-normal world because of that. Like those places exist, if the story requires them, but they aren't right outside the city.
The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.
Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.
Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
It isn't a few blocks away though
Battleworld is an entire planet
People in New York trying to live normal lives despite having multiple nations/areas run by murderous supervillains is literally the normal status quo
Yeah but it's not like, they have to worry about supervillains running a post apocalyptic New Jersey or anything.
Supervillain controlled nations are usually a bit farther away and so it's easy to tell stories that seem like they might take place in a semi-normal world because of that. Like those places exist, if the story requires them, but they aren't right outside the city.
Do we know that they will be right outside the city now?
Because that seems like a pretty big assumption from where I'm sitting.
It's not really all that different to the normal 616 Earth. It already had the savage land, Atlantis, that time everyone in NY got spider powers etc etc etc. It's not that big a change.
there is no way that is true.
Having an entire planet deleted around you is a big deal.
for instance, new york city is not self sufficient.
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
Also, the real world New Jersey is pretty much a post apocalyptic hellscape run by a supervillain
The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.
Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.
Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
New York has always existed with New Jersey right over there, something like Murderworld or Apocalypseland would barely raise an eyebrow.
battleworld is not the "new normal" but whatever universe comes out of secret wars is going to use elements from everything that made up Battleworld
This makes more sense
it seems like kind of a really bad idea to just have 1000 versions of every character running around and not even need to have plot magic get them together
The idea that like, inner city New York can just kind of try to be normal and pretend things aren't a totally fucked alternate reality a few blocks away is kind of silly.
Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.
Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
It isn't a few blocks away though
Battleworld is an entire planet
People in New York trying to live normal lives despite having multiple nations/areas run by murderous supervillains is literally the normal status quo
Yeah but it's not like, they have to worry about supervillains running a post apocalyptic New Jersey or anything.
Supervillain controlled nations are usually a bit farther away and so it's easy to tell stories that seem like they might take place in a semi-normal world because of that. Like those places exist, if the story requires them, but they aren't right outside the city.
Do we know that they will be right outside the city now?
Because that seems like a pretty big assumption from where I'm sitting.
Two of the places immediately outside Manhattan are still "classified", but aside from that they're pretty much immediately next to "The City", High Avalon, and the Eye of Agamotto
I'd be willing to bet at least one of those two classified zones are total shitholes though
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It's now composed out of all these countries
So like, Spider-Man and Luke Cage and Mr. Fantastic all live in the Sovereign City State of New York
And maybe Moon Knight, Ye Olde Daredevil, and Alternate Heroic Doctor Doom live in Great Britain
And then they mostly stay put
But sometimes they move around, some more than others
You know, like those some do with alternate realities now
That's all I really care about
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if I'm wrong I will buy a hat and eat it
Suddenly they become about some other thing that I don't know where it comes from or what it is and I don't really care
This sounds like the biggest version of that possible and it sounds like exactly what I don't want
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All of them
For the next Year
Well fart on this then!
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There is no reason it should
what is Moon Knight is just Moon Knight except he fights 1602 Bushwacker
or Ms. Marvel is still going to school but now her class has characters from the Ultimate Universe in it, including Miles Morales
you are assuming the worst, which is dumb
Yeah, this sort of thing happens in comics
There might be like, one or two weird issues that are about things
But for the vast majority of existing properties, shit ain't gonna change
I hate stuff like that because for someone only causally into reading comics, it makes it really hard to follow some of these stories that go across multiple different people.
Especially digitally since they sometimes don't tell you which other comic to read next instead of just the next issue of the run you are reading.
Is future Valeria coming back??
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But marvels events have been pretty inconsistent about tie in quality lately so I am deeply worried
I think
I think I could definitely dig it being the new normal for a little while, though?
I mean eventually I think I'd want to see good ol Earth returning and everything more or less getting back to normal
But for a little while Battleworld being the setting could be cool
Like, these aren't just all alternate reality civilian cities or anything.
Some of them are like... the domain of Apocalypse and Murderworld
Battleworld will be the new norm for a year or two
then the old Universe returns but is now MARVEL EARTH-001 and all of the most popular and successful alt-universe bits and characters are incorporated into it
Anywho, it's a bold move to stick with this insane new status quo going forward. Not sure how I feel about it, other than it seems like it's going to be disruptive as hell. I do think we're going to see Marvel lose a ton of readers over this, and it doesn't look like the kind of thing that'll attract new readers.
I do like how this is basically Marvel's way of fixing One More Day without outright undoing it. :biggrin:
I bet that they will actually time jump ahead to after Secret Wars is over
much like what happened back with the original Secret Wars in the 80s
Battleworld is an entire planet
People in New York trying to live normal lives despite having multiple nations/areas run by murderous supervillains is literally the normal status quo
For me, the tie-ins have been better than the actual events as of late. The exception of course being Infinity, and since Secret Wars is Hickman's baby...
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Yeah, this would be ideal
Especially if it meant like, getting Miles or Spider-Gwen into the mainline universe
Or both!
Yeah but it's not like, they have to worry about supervillains running a post apocalyptic New Jersey or anything.
Supervillain controlled nations are usually a bit farther away and so it's easy to tell stories that seem like they might take place in a semi-normal world because of that. Like those places exist, if the story requires them, but they aren't right outside the city.
:hydra:
Do we know that they will be right outside the city now?
Because that seems like a pretty big assumption from where I'm sitting.
there is no way that is true.
Having an entire planet deleted around you is a big deal.
for instance, new york city is not self sufficient.
So yeah, actually
New York has always existed with New Jersey right over there, something like Murderworld or Apocalypseland would barely raise an eyebrow.
like, perhaps, some sort of war?
perhaps a secret one?
Will the Guardians be trapped on Earth? Where do all the other races go?
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Two of the places immediately outside Manhattan are still "classified", but aside from that they're pretty much immediately next to "The City", High Avalon, and the Eye of Agamotto
I'd be willing to bet at least one of those two classified zones are total shitholes though