Friends raised money for a gay college athlete after her parents disowned her. Then the NCAA called.
"The online crowdfunding webpage was organized and promoted in a manner not permitted under NCAA legislation."
So, Sheck’s friends decided to step up. Eight days ago, her friend Grace Hausladen set up a GoFundMe to help her out. So far, it has raised over $25,000.
But there’s a catch. According to Outsports, an NCAA compliance officer at Canisius College reached out and told her she had two options: “Return every penny and maintain her NCAA eligibility, or keep the money and leave the cross-country team.”
Initially, the GoFundMe stopped accepting donations and Sheck and Hausladen waited as officials at Canisius and the NCAA looked for a solution. But three days ago, Hausladen opened up donations on the page again, and announced that both of them were no longer members of Canisius College’s running programs.
This is partly because of how extremely old fashioned the NCAA's idea of how students get support and not caring about the needs of minorities who might not have the traditional support.
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Obliterate the NCAA on an organizational level, metaphorically salt the earth, and start over again.
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Luckily the NCAA has come to reason caved to obvious public backlash and decided she doesn't have to die of starvation
Update: Canisius College has released a statement that the NCAA will allow Emily Scheck to keep her eligibility and donations.
Canisius College received clarification from the NCAA that Emily Scheck can retain her eligibility and continue to receive GoFundMe donations that assist her with living and educational expenses. The NCAA staff worked cooperatively with Canisius College to provide guidance that the fundraiser can continue, with school monitoring. NCAA rules allow a school to assist a student-athlete with a fundraiser after a significant life event occurs.
Canisius and the NCAA will continue to work together in support of Emily. She is a member of the Canisius family and we will to do whatever we can to assist her.
Was this the thread to dump on MSU for always being late to the 'do the right thing' party?
Apparently the MSU Board of Trustees are going to vote to fire interim president Engler if he doesn't resign first.
I'll let Deadspin remind you who Engler is:
Among his lowlight reel as interim president: Engler meeting with one Nassar victim (without her lawyer present) and offering her $250,000 to drop her lawsuit; Engler spiking an issue of the MSU alumni magazine issue featuring the survivors because he wanted to focus on the positive; and just yesterday, Engler saying that some of Nassar’s victims are “enjoying” the “spotlight.”
Yeah. In the last few days he thinks the victims are enjoying their fame. And MSU is only now thinking this shitbird has to go.
The NCAA ruled on Friday that Kansas forward Silvio De Sousa was ineligible to play for the remainder of this season, as well as the entirety of the 2019-20 season due to actions of a third party that he had no control over.
Back in October, Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola testified in federal court that he had paid De Sousa’s guardian Fenny Falmagne $2,500, and $20,000 to get out of a pay-to-play deal with Maryland. Since that revelation came out, De Sousa had been held out of competitions, and even sat out of the first 21 games of this season. To say that Kansas athletics staff members were infuriated would be an understatement.
This, by the way, is why the wire fraud investigation was such a stupid idea - instead of forcing the NCAA to actually deal with the real problem, it instead has enabled them to shunt the blame to the players.
On Wednesday, hundreds of high school prospects will be left holding dozens of meaningless scholarship offers, signing with a school only after other programs, despite offering them a scholarship, never accepted their commitment. Maybe those schools found a better player at that position, or maybe the spots in the class filled up. Some scholarship offers aren’t ever committable, just fancy invitations to a school’s summer camp, while others are only committable for a certain amount of time. In the most egregious cases, coaches rescind offers out to committed prospects, and in other instances, schools strongly suggest that certain commits seek other options. “The coaches mother---- the kids,” says one major college assistant coach who wished to remain anonymous. “It’s the biggest problem in our game right now. It’s bull----.”
Never in the sport’s history have colleges dispersed so many scholarship offers, frivolously doling out hollow promises with the lure of free tuition. Using the 247Sports recruiting database, Sports Illustrated research shows an accelerating trend at the major college level that hit new, disturbing benchmarks this year. The study, covering the last eight recruiting cycles, produced galling figures within college football’s major conferences: more than 101,000 scholarship offers issued in order to fill about 12,000 available scholarships. For the 2019 cycle alone, the 65 programs in Power 5 conferences made more than 15,000 scholarship offers in order to secure what is expected be about 1,600 signees. That’s an average of about 237 offers per school per year, a 100-offer increase from the average in 2012. In what is believed to be a first for a college program, Louisville hit the 400-offer mark in 2017, and six programs have delivered at least 400 offers this year. One-fifth of Power 5 teams handed out at least 300 offers this cycle, for classes that do not often exceed 25 members. Just seven years ago, no school surpassed the 300-offer mark.
This happens because the NCAA gives all the power to the coaches and the schools, and they use it to their utmost.
It's bigger than that. Players across the country would set up NIL deals in California, not to mention that the groups they would be selling to, like EA Tiburon, are headquartered there. California is big enough and connected enough that they pass this law, it would effectively render the NCAA's NIL rules unenforceable.
Also, I had to laugh at the goose commentor on the article who was saying that this would be horrible for the PAC-12 and how the big "football factories" would force players to give up their NIL rights - that would be cutting their own throats, as they would no longer be able to recruit.
It's bigger than that. Players across the country would set up NIL deals in California, not to mention that the groups they would be selling to, like EA Tiburon, are headquartered there. California is big enough and connected enough that they pass this law, it would effectively render the NCAA's NIL rules unenforceable.
The general phrase is 'As California goes, so goes the nation'. The state passed some of the most restrictive automotive exhaust laws and automakers simply chose to universally comply rather than produce multiple versions. So, this sort of thing could have a huge effect...or the NCAA attempts to jettison California schools from their dumb-ass party.
It's bigger than that. Players across the country would set up NIL deals in California, not to mention that the groups they would be selling to, like EA Tiburon, are headquartered there. California is big enough and connected enough that they pass this law, it would effectively render the NCAA's NIL rules unenforceable.
The general phrase is 'As California goes, so goes the nation'. The state passed some of the most restrictive automotive exhaust laws and automakers simply chose to universally comply rather than produce multiple versions. So, this sort of thing could have a huge effect...or the NCAA attempts to jettison California schools from their dumb-ass party.
Or the NFL just coincidentally happens to develop an aversion to drafting players from those schools. The NCAA as the gateway to the pro leagues is leverage that shouldn't be discounted.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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It's bigger than that. Players across the country would set up NIL deals in California, not to mention that the groups they would be selling to, like EA Tiburon, are headquartered there. California is big enough and connected enough that they pass this law, it would effectively render the NCAA's NIL rules unenforceable.
The general phrase is 'As California goes, so goes the nation'. The state passed some of the most restrictive automotive exhaust laws and automakers simply chose to universally comply rather than produce multiple versions. So, this sort of thing could have a huge effect...or the NCAA attempts to jettison California schools from their dumb-ass party.
Or the NFL just coincidentally happens to develop an aversion to drafting players from those schools. The NCAA as the gateway to the pro leagues is leverage that shouldn't be discounted.
I'm pretty sure a team would love to have a private farm resource all to themselves. I don't know if the Kaepernick situation would repeat on such a large scale.
The NFL has no reason to give any fucks about this
Players who made bank while in college might be slightly less inclined to sign up for minimum salary gigs in the NFL. One thing the NCAA does is it produces guys (mostly guys) who have spent four years not getting paid and have now graduated with two things. 1) A high level of skill in some flavor of sportsball. 2) A college degree that might not actually reflect having gotten a good college level education. Change things so the players get paid in college and the pro leagues will have less people signing up for the draft. It might not be a huge number that utterly changes the talent pool available, but that doesn't mean that the NFL and their ilk would be happy to just see it happen and deal with the fallout.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
The NFL has no reason to give any fucks about this
Players who made bank while in college might be slightly less inclined to sign up for minimum salary gigs in the NFL. One thing the NCAA does is it produces guys (mostly guys) who have spent four years not getting paid and have now graduated with two things. 1) A high level of skill in some flavor of sportsball. 2) A college degree that might not actually reflect having gotten a good college level education. Change things so the players get paid in college and the pro leagues will have less people signing up for the draft. It might not be a huge number that utterly changes the talent pool available, but that doesn't mean that the NFL and their ilk would be happy to just see it happen and deal with the fallout.
The people getting likeness deals are going to be the people with the high potential to make or break franchises. Their is no way all the NFL/NBA teams ignore them.
The NFL has no reason to give any fucks about this
Players who made bank while in college might be slightly less inclined to sign up for minimum salary gigs in the NFL. One thing the NCAA does is it produces guys (mostly guys) who have spent four years not getting paid and have now graduated with two things. 1) A high level of skill in some flavor of sportsball. 2) A college degree that might not actually reflect having gotten a good college level education. Change things so the players get paid in college and the pro leagues will have less people signing up for the draft. It might not be a huge number that utterly changes the talent pool available, but that doesn't mean that the NFL and their ilk would be happy to just see it happen and deal with the fallout.
The people getting likeness deals are going to be the people with the high potential to make or break franchises. Their is no way all the NFL/NBA teams ignore them.
Right - the players who would be in the best position to capitalize on this would be the top performers. Furthermore, you'd see a number of players do it, too many to make an example of. When your choices are let the players get paid or you can't recruit, you're going to let them get paid.
The NCAA is facing more than 300 lawsuits from former college football players who claim their concussions were mistreated, leading to medical problems spanning from headaches to depression and, in some cases, early onset Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s disease.
The first wave of lawsuits hit college sports’ major governing body in 2016 and more than 200 more were filed recently by Edelson PC, a Chicago-based firm that focuses on class-action cases, and Raizner Slania LLP in Houston. Most of the cases were filed in the U.S Court for the Northern District of Illinois.
This has been a "when, not if" issue for the NCAA, and apparently, the when is "now".
The worst part is when someone has a following for like twitch streaming or trick shot videos or whatnot and gets in trouble for continuing to make money off that while a college athlete
(Or did I misremember that situation)
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It's bigger than that. Players across the country would set up NIL deals in California, not to mention that the groups they would be selling to, like EA Tiburon, are headquartered there. California is big enough and connected enough that they pass this law, it would effectively render the NCAA's NIL rules unenforceable.
The general phrase is 'As California goes, so goes the nation'. The state passed some of the most restrictive automotive exhaust laws and automakers simply chose to universally comply rather than produce multiple versions. So, this sort of thing could have a huge effect...or the NCAA attempts to jettison California schools from their dumb-ass party.
I'm guessing the NCAA goes all out in the lobbying against it. So you'll have all the major schools in California stepping up to give the tired adage about student athletes.
I can see the lower divisions liking it as you can do this <insert lower division CA school instead of USC/UCLA>:
But what if USC football could tell recruits they could earn money on the side? What if UCLA basketball could keep its best players longer because they aren’t so hard up to earn a wage?
"He's sulking in his tent like Achilles! It's the Iliad?...from Homer?! READ A BOOK!!" -Handy
Penn State head coach James Franklin is concerned for different reasons. He believes that the transfer portal allows players to take the easy way out instead of staying and fighting their way through adversity. Franklin worries that having an out will hurt players down the road in their lives.
"We have seen kids that have entered the transfer portal and haven't been on campus for a semester," Franklin told ESPN. "How do you learn to overcome adversity and fight through battles and learn to compete? I worry about that for our sport; I worry about that for kids and our country. The path of least resistance very rarely is the answer. How do you have discipline and structure and tough conversations in your program if there's always a Plan B, an outlet with no real repercussions?"
Long-time TCU Horned Frogs head coach Gary Patterson echoed Franklin’s sentiments. In his eyes, the players don’t need more leverage when it comes to making college decisions. Patterson believes that immediately eligibility should only be granted in extreme cases for undergraduate transfers.
"When I see the guy bragging about how many waivers [are approved], that's not what this is about," Patterson said. "In how many households are the teenagers making decisions? Why are we sitting here saying they need more leverage? This waiver thing, we've got to help people that truly have a problem, [like] their family is sick. It can't be just because you don't like somebody or somebody said something to you. We all have to live in a world that's like that.”
Translation: "We're losing the absolute control of our players (which we should never had in the first place), but we know we can't admit that publicly and not look like assholes, so we'll resort to worn pablum meant to shame the players."
Penn State head coach James Franklin is concerned for different reasons. He believes that the transfer portal allows players to take the easy way out instead of staying and fighting their way through adversity. Franklin worries that having an out will hurt players down the road in their lives.
"We have seen kids that have entered the transfer portal and haven't been on campus for a semester," Franklin told ESPN. "How do you learn to overcome adversity and fight through battles and learn to compete? I worry about that for our sport; I worry about that for kids and our country. The path of least resistance very rarely is the answer. How do you have discipline and structure and tough conversations in your program if there's always a Plan B, an outlet with no real repercussions?"
Long-time TCU Horned Frogs head coach Gary Patterson echoed Franklin’s sentiments. In his eyes, the players don’t need more leverage when it comes to making college decisions. Patterson believes that immediately eligibility should only be granted in extreme cases for undergraduate transfers.
"When I see the guy bragging about how many waivers [are approved], that's not what this is about," Patterson said. "In how many households are the teenagers making decisions? Why are we sitting here saying they need more leverage? This waiver thing, we've got to help people that truly have a problem, [like] their family is sick. It can't be just because you don't like somebody or somebody said something to you. We all have to live in a world that's like that.”
Translation: "We're losing the absolute control of our players (which we should never had in the first place), but we know we can't admit that publicly and not look like assholes, so we'll resort to worn pablum meant to shame the players."
It's shit like this that makes me thankful I never got involved in school sponsored sports at any level. Rotten to the core.
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In Franklin's case, from some inside talk, we just had 3-4 players hit the transfer portal because they were (allegedly) unhappy that Franklin was making them actually attend class. They were getting passed on the roster by kids that did. So I'm pretty sure that's what the "tough conversation" is he's referring to.
In Franklin's case, from some inside talk, we just had 3-4 players hit the transfer portal because they were (allegedly) unhappy that Franklin was making them actually attend class. They were getting passed on the roster by kids that did. So I'm pretty sure that's what the "tough conversation" is he's referring to.
Ok on one hand, helping guys get their degree is good
On the other, the myth of the student athlete is bad and harmful
On the third hand, I don’t see any coaches in this story that lead programs that have benefitted, so...
On the fourth hand, this shows how silly trying to square roster management with school “years” is and the issues these coaches bring up about losing players to the portal and not having a way of backfilling short of walk ons are valid, but the transfer portal isn’t the problem ...
Paying student-athletes might sound like a fairer way to treat students who generate so much money and attention for their colleges (not to mention the television networks that broadcast their games). But paying athletes would distort the economics of college sports in a way that would hurt the broader community of student-athletes, universities, fans and alumni. A handful of big sports programs would pay top dollar for a select few athletes, while almost every other college would get caught up in a bidding war it couldn’t afford.
One, has Mr. McDavis not been paying attention? This is already happening in a number of ways. Two, his piece shows an incredible lack of awareness of the actual economics of college sports, taking colleges at their word instead of actually looking at the breakdown of their revenue. He's parroting the NCAA company line, thinking we wouldn't notice.
I don’t know how exactly to put this without it sounding insultingly obvious, but: This is already how things are.
College football and college basketball are already the playthings of a handful of elite programs—a dozen or so, in each sport, in divisions populated by hundreds of schools.
But, let us assume for the sake of The Discourse that this is a bad thing. That this accurate description of reality as it currently exists is something that should be avoided. To that end, I demand that the cowards at the New York Times opinion section publish my op-ed, “Paying Coaches and Administrators Is Ruining College Sports”:
Paying [coaches and administrators] might sound like a [fair] way to treat [the employees who recruit the athletes] who generate so much money and attention for their colleges (not to mention the television networks that broadcast their games). But paying [coaches and administrators] [distorts] the economics of college sports in a way that [hurts] the broader community of student-athletes, universities, fans and alumni. A handful of big sports programs [already do] pay top dollar for a select few [coaches and administrators who recruit the athletes who make the programs successful], while almost every other college [already doesn’t] get caught up in a bidding war it couldn’t afford.
You don't understand! The second college athletes get paid money, Directional Michigan will dominate in a way wholly unfair to Alabama who is doing things the right and just way.
In Franklin's case, from some inside talk, we just had 3-4 players hit the transfer portal because they were (allegedly) unhappy that Franklin was making them actually attend class. They were getting passed on the roster by kids that did. So I'm pretty sure that's what the "tough conversation" is he's referring to.
Franklin should shut his mouth and be grateful his program didn’t get the death penalty before he got the job.
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They really just need to require that the coaches be students as well.
Honestly that's how the programs should work, everyone involved, top to bottom is a student. Then you could pr9bably justify everyone working for free.
They really just need to require that the coaches be students as well.
Honestly that's how the programs should work, everyone involved, top to bottom is a student. Then you could pr9bably justify everyone working for free.
I don't see how that alleviates the complaint that colleges are making all of this money and players aren't seeing any of it.
The tennis team has professional coaches making half a million a year, but I don't know of many people who are saying those players should be paid because they aren't in a revenue generating sport.
They really just need to require that the coaches be students as well.
Honestly that's how the programs should work, everyone involved, top to bottom is a student. Then you could pr9bably justify everyone working for free.
I don't see how that alleviates the complaint that colleges are making all of this money and players aren't seeing any of it.
The tennis team has professional coaches making half a million a year, but I don't know of many people who are saying those players should be paid because they aren't in a revenue generating sport.
The argument for non-revenue athletes is more that they should be allowed to fully exploit their name, image, and likeness rights. So they might not get directly paid, but they can get endorsement deals.
They really just need to require that the coaches be students as well.
Honestly that's how the programs should work, everyone involved, top to bottom is a student. Then you could pr9bably justify everyone working for free.
I don't see how that alleviates the complaint that colleges are making all of this money and players aren't seeing any of it.
The tennis team has professional coaches making half a million a year, but I don't know of many people who are saying those players should be paid because they aren't in a revenue generating sport.
Because if everyone involved was an amateur, then either....
1) The program keeps making money from tickets and tv, but all the money goes to school programs, which I’m fine with
2) The program stops making money, and just becomes a fun club for students to be involved in and the nfl b leagues etc become the way up the sporting ranks, just like everywhere else in the world and every non us sport
To be clear, in this example the NCAA is also staffed by students, of at the very least it’s management board is entirely students.
Let me be blunt - amateurism is class warfare. The entire concept was born out of the upper class looking to use their need to make money with their labor to push out the lower classes from sports. When you say that you're okay with "all the money going to school programs", what you're actually saying is that you're okay with stealing people's labor from them.
What's stopping schools from deciding en masse to pay people, but then stop full ride scholarships and instead pay their athletes what their tuition would be?
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https://thinkprogress.org/ncaa-punishes-lgbtq-athlete-66e28ef63ede/ This is partly because of how extremely old fashioned the NCAA's idea of how students get support and not caring about the needs of minorities who might not have the traditional support.
https://www.outsports.com/2018/11/16/18095925/emily-scheck-gay-ncaa-athlete-canisius-college
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
Apparently the MSU Board of Trustees are going to vote to fire interim president Engler if he doesn't resign first.
I'll let Deadspin remind you who Engler is:
Yeah. In the last few days he thinks the victims are enjoying their fame. And MSU is only now thinking this shitbird has to go.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
This, by the way, is why the wire fraud investigation was such a stupid idea - instead of forcing the NCAA to actually deal with the real problem, it instead has enabled them to shunt the blame to the players.
This happens because the NCAA gives all the power to the coaches and the schools, and they use it to their utmost.
It's bigger than that. Players across the country would set up NIL deals in California, not to mention that the groups they would be selling to, like EA Tiburon, are headquartered there. California is big enough and connected enough that they pass this law, it would effectively render the NCAA's NIL rules unenforceable.
The general phrase is 'As California goes, so goes the nation'. The state passed some of the most restrictive automotive exhaust laws and automakers simply chose to universally comply rather than produce multiple versions. So, this sort of thing could have a huge effect...or the NCAA attempts to jettison California schools from their dumb-ass party.
Or the NFL just coincidentally happens to develop an aversion to drafting players from those schools. The NCAA as the gateway to the pro leagues is leverage that shouldn't be discounted.
I'm pretty sure a team would love to have a private farm resource all to themselves. I don't know if the Kaepernick situation would repeat on such a large scale.
Players who made bank while in college might be slightly less inclined to sign up for minimum salary gigs in the NFL. One thing the NCAA does is it produces guys (mostly guys) who have spent four years not getting paid and have now graduated with two things. 1) A high level of skill in some flavor of sportsball. 2) A college degree that might not actually reflect having gotten a good college level education. Change things so the players get paid in college and the pro leagues will have less people signing up for the draft. It might not be a huge number that utterly changes the talent pool available, but that doesn't mean that the NFL and their ilk would be happy to just see it happen and deal with the fallout.
The people getting likeness deals are going to be the people with the high potential to make or break franchises. Their is no way all the NFL/NBA teams ignore them.
Right - the players who would be in the best position to capitalize on this would be the top performers. Furthermore, you'd see a number of players do it, too many to make an example of. When your choices are let the players get paid or you can't recruit, you're going to let them get paid.
This has been a "when, not if" issue for the NCAA, and apparently, the when is "now".
(Or did I misremember that situation)
I'm guessing the NCAA goes all out in the lobbying against it. So you'll have all the major schools in California stepping up to give the tired adage about student athletes.
I can see the lower divisions liking it as you can do this <insert lower division CA school instead of USC/UCLA>:
Translation: "We're losing the absolute control of our players (which we should never had in the first place), but we know we can't admit that publicly and not look like assholes, so we'll resort to worn pablum meant to shame the players."
It's shit like this that makes me thankful I never got involved in school sponsored sports at any level. Rotten to the core.
Ok on one hand, helping guys get their degree is good
On the other, the myth of the student athlete is bad and harmful
On the third hand, I don’t see any coaches in this story that lead programs that have benefitted, so...
On the fourth hand, this shows how silly trying to square roster management with school “years” is and the issues these coaches bring up about losing players to the portal and not having a way of backfilling short of walk ons are valid, but the transfer portal isn’t the problem ...
I’m out of hands
One, has Mr. McDavis not been paying attention? This is already happening in a number of ways. Two, his piece shows an incredible lack of awareness of the actual economics of college sports, taking colleges at their word instead of actually looking at the breakdown of their revenue. He's parroting the NCAA company line, thinking we wouldn't notice.
Deadspin, of course, skewers the above neatly:
Franklin should shut his mouth and be grateful his program didn’t get the death penalty before he got the job.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Honestly that's how the programs should work, everyone involved, top to bottom is a student. Then you could pr9bably justify everyone working for free.
I don't see how that alleviates the complaint that colleges are making all of this money and players aren't seeing any of it.
The tennis team has professional coaches making half a million a year, but I don't know of many people who are saying those players should be paid because they aren't in a revenue generating sport.
The argument for non-revenue athletes is more that they should be allowed to fully exploit their name, image, and likeness rights. So they might not get directly paid, but they can get endorsement deals.
Because if everyone involved was an amateur, then either....
1) The program keeps making money from tickets and tv, but all the money goes to school programs, which I’m fine with
2) The program stops making money, and just becomes a fun club for students to be involved in and the nfl b leagues etc become the way up the sporting ranks, just like everywhere else in the world and every non us sport
To be clear, in this example the NCAA is also staffed by students, of at the very least it’s management board is entirely students.