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(I haven't seen Kingsmen)
Steam ID - VeldrinD
It's nice to see you posting here, Sir Paul. Although claiming to be a Scottsman might ruffle some feathers.
Why I fear the ocean.
Astaereth did a review of it in the D&D movie thread.
There's more than one walrus in world, mein friend.
The message of "there is an upper class of people who deserve more than lesser people" is like
The exact opposite of Kingsman's message
The climax of the movie has
Overall, I liked it. The fight scenes were pretty well choreographed. That part at the end that everyone was complaining about was pretty egregious though.
More than one Walrus. But only one THE walrus.
Why I fear the ocean.
It was stupid that
yeah, rip
A lot of Batman fans have wanted them to do that for a long time.
They look super goofy when you can also see half of their face
Stick to full-mask costumes like Deadpool and Spider-Man
BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES IS NOW STREAMING ON AMAZON PRIME
I HAVE TO GO
They advertised it being "now available" today so I wonder if it went away for a couple weeks
No law against being kind of a tactless jerk about a popular public figure.
Steam: MightyPotatoKing
They stopped after the first piece
each of the 'pieces' (at least to my crazy eyes) refers to a different show
Cap's star looks like Jimmy Kimmel; the quiver is Good Morning America; and I can't discern anything in the other one
Wait wait wait, this has now been retweeted by DeConnick. My sources at the -Latino Cool Report are telling me it's a Captain Marvel announcement.
Iron Man is a Marvel character.
Hawkeye is a free space.
It's really that simple.
I think cheesecake in comics is bad and gross and overall lazy art. But this wasn't a published thing it was a private commission.
Are we going to go yell about deviant art now too?
People are in to smut, for every character that exists. I don't think that needs to be something we get up in arms about. Spider-Gwen is not a holy character. There's not an objective list of "you can draw cheesecake pictures of his person but definitely not this one"
If you find it objectionable that someone drew a private picture of this character, you find it objectionable to all characters. Which, if you do, is fine. But this character is fiction and not real. She does not have any actual dignity to slight. It would be one thing if it was an official publication but it's not. It would also be another thing if she were underage. As it stands, there's zero difference between this and a power girl drawing, which I have seen plenty people defend. In actual publications!
If some dude wants to draw spider-man and spider-Gwen doing it while black cat gets eaten out by daredevil in the background, more power to them I guess
As long as it's not in the actual book, what does it matter. It's a con commission.
It's another example of an old dude trying to push back against positive change in the industry, not really all that different than the other week when Erik Larsen was complaining abou non-skimpy costumes.
Like
Literally just naked with no nipples or anatomical details
If Cho wants to do drawings of his ridiculously busty cheesecake-y Liberty Meadows characters, more power to him
But doing sexualized objectifying drawings of great characters like Gwen or Jen or Carol is gross
like I just Googled "she-hulk" and half of the image results are sexy pin-up comissions, some from Marvel artists, and those terrible Greg Horn covers and that sucks
it's full of creepy shit done by creepy people
frank cho's cheesecake is also kind of creepy a lot of the time
having spider-man peeping up over the rooftop making a comment about gwen's ass is creepy
i don't think it should be, like, banned? i don't think frank cho should Never Work With Marvel Again. i just happen to find this particular image creepy. i don't know that i particularly need to justify that
I think that's fine! But people were not saying that, they were saying that spider-Gwen is an Important Character and as such drawing her like that is Wrong.
Which I think is silly when it comes to private drawings to draw that line.
And I mean, people have been drawing porn of licensed characters and putting them on the Internet for as long as it has existed. That's what safe search is for.
And while I do think Gwen is an important character and that Cho's drawing is fucked up on several levels, I am equally fed up with his drawings of every other female Marvel (or DC or Image, etc. but Cho is typically a Marvel artist) character that reduces them to a sex object to be ogled by a quipping floating dude head. I think he's a talented artist, which is why I have been willing to overlook that, but Gwen was the last straw for me
Like I don't think he should be publically fired from working with Marvel or that everyone needs to boycott Frank Cho and anything he draws forever, but I definitely think Marvel should probably have a policy of not letting artists who work for them draw porn (I mean I guess it isn't porn but a lot of his drawings get reaaaaally close) of Marvel characters. It seems like pretty shitty brand awareness to let an artist draw an issue of Avengers and then go get paid by a fan to draw She-Hulk naked and posing and posting it on their public site.
Why is it that people, particularly on the Internet, see criticism of a thing and immediately make the leap to they're attacking/censoring something? I don't think anyone was saying "Fire Frank Cho" or "ban this art". They were just saying "this is gross and inappropriate", which is, just, speech. And a valid opinion. And factually accurate, even. He and it don't need to be defended because nobody's actually attacking it. Criticism is not an attack.
it's a private commission. It may not be to your taste, but it's also not your business
Cho posted it on his own website and copyrighted it
If he didn't want it open to public criticism or ire he shouldn't have put it online
Man, it's awesome that I never said any of that but instead used my own speech to say I thought it seemed ok.
Dodged a bullet, there.
He posted it on his website.
Not every criticism of criticism is using an argument about censorship