It's not that I necessarily dislike the helmet designs (though admittedly some of them are hideous) but rather I prefer to have them off because it gives the characters more a sense of individuality.
No but immune systems are build off exposure to pathogens and building resistance. A normal human born and then place in a sterile environment all their life would have a less effect immune system than your average human.
Just, don't ask why the Quarians forgot how germ theory worked when they left their Homeworld.
Right, but they would still have a immune system. They'd get exposed to chicken pox, get sick, generate antibodies and bob's your uncle. The immune response isn't some sort of lamarckian," Well, dad didn't get sick much so my white blood cells are wimpier" sort of thing. The whole 'sterile environment' concept is just as much of a laugh; people cough. People sneeze. People sweat and spit and poop. Unless they somehow managed to completely eradicate all viruses, fungus and bacteria, inside and outside their bodies (without harming the beneficial bacteria doubtlessly doing yeoman's work inside them), the ships weren't anything like sterile. And if they somehow managed to do that in the first place? Congratulations! You have peerless medical technology which should be perfectly up to the task of coping with your race's deficient immune system once natural selection works its magic in ten million years.
Didn't the Quarians evolve on a planet with no insects, which was why their immune system was kinda weak to begin with? Like, I thought that was one of reasons to explain why their immune system was so weak that it just fell apart in a couple hundred years.
Outside of their use as vectors for bloodborne pathogens, I'm not sure what the absence of insects does for the idea of a weak immune system? There is mention that there wasn't much in the way of horrible infectious diseases among the Quarian before they hopped on ships, and that's why their immune systems are 'weak'. Except... this same small, non-threatening pool of not-scary diseases is the one that their immune systems seemingly cannot handle now, three hundred years later despite billions of years of evolutionary preparation. That supposed answer just raises the question of 'So why do these weak diseases suddenly pose a threat?'.
Like I said; soft as butter.
Tali explains it as being that since their planet didn't have insect life the creatures that evolved there had a symbiotic or at least sympathetic relationship with plant life. I don't know the specifics, because I think she says she doesn't know them either, but their immune systems accept foreign material more easily as a result of that or something. It's not diseases that pose a threat, she says that if she's exposed to a human being who has a cold she won't catch the cold, but rather her immune system will accept the foreign material then because it's not something that originated on Rannoch it will have an extreme overreaction as it goes "what the fuuuuck is this why isn't it helping? Oh shit oh shit oh shit".
At least that's the vague sense I remember. I have no idea how much of that is true or not. I think the idea was that they could never live off of Rannoch outside of their suits, it wasn't a new thing that suddenly started happening after the Morning War.
No but immune systems are build off exposure to pathogens and building resistance. A normal human born and then place in a sterile environment all their life would have a less effect immune system than your average human.
Just, don't ask why the Quarians forgot how germ theory worked when they left their Homeworld.
Right, but they would still have a immune system. They'd get exposed to chicken pox, get sick, generate antibodies and bob's your uncle. The immune response isn't some sort of lamarckian," Well, dad didn't get sick much so my white blood cells are wimpier" sort of thing. The whole 'sterile environment' concept is just as much of a laugh; people cough. People sneeze. People sweat and spit and poop. Unless they somehow managed to completely eradicate all viruses, fungus and bacteria, inside and outside their bodies (without harming the beneficial bacteria doubtlessly doing yeoman's work inside them), the ships weren't anything like sterile. And if they somehow managed to do that in the first place? Congratulations! You have peerless medical technology which should be perfectly up to the task of coping with your race's deficient immune system once natural selection works its magic in ten million years.
Didn't the Quarians evolve on a planet with no insects, which was why their immune system was kinda weak to begin with? Like, I thought that was one of reasons to explain why their immune system was so weak that it just fell apart in a couple hundred years.
Outside of their use as vectors for bloodborne pathogens, I'm not sure what the absence of insects does for the idea of a weak immune system? There is mention that there wasn't much in the way of horrible infectious diseases among the Quarian before they hopped on ships, and that's why their immune systems are 'weak'. Except... this same small, non-threatening pool of not-scary diseases is the one that their immune systems seemingly cannot handle now, three hundred years later despite billions of years of evolutionary preparation. That supposed answer just raises the question of 'So why do these weak diseases suddenly pose a threat?'.
Like I said; soft as butter.
Tali explains it as being that since their planet didn't have insect life the creatures that evolved there had a symbiotic or at least sympathetic relationship with plant life. I don't know the specifics, because I think she says she doesn't know them either, but their immune systems accept foreign material more easily as a result of that or something. It's not diseases that pose a threat, she says that if she's exposed to a human being who has a cold she won't catch the cold, but rather her immune system will accept the foreign material then because it's not something that originated on Rannoch it will have an extreme overreaction as it goes "what the fuuuuck is this why isn't it helping? Oh shit oh shit oh shit".
At least that's the vague sense I remember. I have no idea how much of that is true or not. I think the idea was that they could never live off of Rannoch outside of their suits, it wasn't a new thing that suddenly started happening after the Morning War.
That would also explain why they haven't colonized anywhere. They don't need a planet. They need their planet.
Yeah. It's an allergic reaction to any microorganism that they hadn't evolved to coexist with. The implication is that if they weren't in their suits all the time and were on Rannoch they would be ill for a short time but would eventually adapt. This would have happened when they were first born, but since now they basically live their entire lives in those suits none of them ever got that adaptation even on the fleet. Like Tali says, the suits are as much a cultural thing as for their protection and that's why they wear them even on the clean areas of their ships.
Yeah, and any ambassadors Pre-Morning War would have been in them as well. Hell, any guests to Rannoch probably had to wear the suits so they didn't infect the planet.
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Man I cannot find the ME2 Vanuard+Cain combo with September on youtube anymore. Hope it wasn't taken down because that video was beautiful.
Yeah, quarians and turians shouldn't be able to catch laevo-diseases. I remember some kind of banter like "btw, did you know this is actually a bullshit allergy?"
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Man I cannot find the ME2 Vanuard+Cain combo with September on youtube anymore. Hope it wasn't taken down because that video was beautiful.
I was going to ask @curly haired boy what he did with the video while also posting my video of Shepard dancing to September, but then I looked at my channel and saw that my September video is gone and I didn't even get a notice about it. Maybe Earth, Wind and Fire's record label is doing a crackdown.
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I actually went looking for the September video a month or two ago, as it was the first place that came to mind with a quality bit of Shepard dancing and I thought I might try to master it if I was going to be in the suit at a convention.
There are other videos out there with the Shepard shuffle.
But it's just not the same.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
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Sometimes I break out my N7 hoodie and put some mad dance beats on my sound system and go all out in the comfort of my living room.
So I kinda wiggle around on the spot and do that ~~woobity-woobity-woo~~ thing with my arms and everything is alright with the world
Perfect runs are the best, I hate it when someone dies...
My Shepard was a damn hero. Quarian/Geth conflict? No big deal. Krogan? Safely under Wrex's leadership with the genophage cured. Rachni? Allies. Thorian? Defeated with no loss of life at Zhu's Hope. Friggin' Space Hitler? Girlfriend and no longer a Nazi. The Council? Allowed to survive, but hung up on repeatedly. Batarians? ...killed by the score
Only Kaiden, Mordin, and Thane died under his watch, which I believe is the story minimum. None in the suicide mission.
My Shepard was a collation builder when possible, head puncher when necessary. Slow to anger, but absolutely ruthless and efficient when pressed into action. And he didn't just save the galaxy, he made it a more inclusive, understanding, open place.
Oh man... I've been unable to yell at both sides to stop the Quarian/Geth conflict exactly once. I picked the Geth, of course, because Quarians are dumb except for Tali. That scene was rough... and they toss in an unwinnable paragon interrupt just to be dicks. Ugh! Just thinking about it makes me want to cry
Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
Hey so I've got some really long videos of that time I ended up somehow solo finishign the end of 7,8,9 in gold.
Does anyone want to see those cos if not I'm gonna delete them to make space.
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Yeah, it was that game you left and later started apologising during, like, wave 9. i did not reply at the time due to being in permanent mortal peril.
then in wave ten i was immediately eaten by a gru banshee
they'd had enough of my shit
and i was completely exhausted by that point anyway so i didnt even have the energy to be mad
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Legion's death is story-required as well, though you can kill it yourself (by choosing stupid the Quarians) if you really want to.
Legion didn't die
Legion lives on in the Geth themselves
you filthy roboheathen
Until you fry him with a beautiful wave of red.
Sorry bro, but it was for the good of the galaxy.
The good of the galaxy would seem to be best served by preserving the knowledge and memory of the civilizations that came before the current cycle. Which is only accomplished through Synthesis.
Yeah, it sucks that it's such a magical cop-out of an ending, but at least it relies on seemingly impossible technology like 9,000 other things in Mass Effect, rather than presenting two choices that are anathema to most people's Shepard persona established over the course of three games. That's easier to fix with additional exposition than "Genocide is kind of Shepard's thing" or "Shepard runs with the Illusive Man's idea."
"Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are." - Bertolt Brecht
Legion's death is story-required as well, though you can kill it yourself (by choosing stupid the Quarians) if you really want to.
Legion didn't die
Legion lives on in the Geth themselves
you filthy roboheathen
Until you fry him with a beautiful wave of red.
Sorry bro, but it was for the good of the galaxy.
The good of the galaxy would seem to be best served by preserving the knowledge and memory of the civilizations that came before the current cycle. Which is only accomplished through Synthesis.
Yeah, it sucks that it's such a magical cop-out of an ending, but at least it relies on seemingly impossible technology like 9,000 other things in Mass Effect, rather than presenting two choices that are anathema to most people's Shepard persona established over the course of three games. That's easier to fix with additional exposition than "Genocide is kind of Shepard's thing" or "Shepard runs with the Illusive Man's idea."
Yeah, it was that game you left and later started apologising during, like, wave 9. i did not reply at the time due to being in permanent mortal peril.
then in wave ten i was immediately eaten by a gru banshee
they'd had enough of my shit
and i was completely exhausted by that point anyway so i didnt even have the energy to be mad
i'm still sorry :P
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Yeah, it was that game you left and later started apologising during, like, wave 9. i did not reply at the time due to being in permanent mortal peril.
then in wave ten i was immediately eaten by a gru banshee
they'd had enough of my shit
and i was completely exhausted by that point anyway so i didnt even have the energy to be mad
i'm still sorry :P
dont be, i thought it was hilarious
i think you wished me luck in the gold solo run i was planning to do
it warmed my heart as i finished off the wave
(PSN: Morninglord) (Steam: Morninglord) (WiiU: Morninglord22) I like to record and toss up a lot of random gaming videos here.
Yeah, it was that game you left and later started apologising during, like, wave 9. i did not reply at the time due to being in permanent mortal peril.
then in wave ten i was immediately eaten by a gru banshee
they'd had enough of my shit
and i was completely exhausted by that point anyway so i didnt even have the energy to be mad
Legion's death is story-required as well, though you can kill it yourself (by choosing stupid the Quarians) if you really want to.
Legion didn't die
Legion lives on in the Geth themselves
you filthy roboheathen
Until you fry him with a beautiful wave of red.
Sorry bro, but it was for the good of the galaxy.
The good of the galaxy would seem to be best served by preserving the knowledge and memory of the civilizations that came before the current cycle. Which is only accomplished through Synthesis.
Or so the Reapers claim, but they're hardly reliable narrators.
Yeah, it sucks that it's such a magical cop-out of an ending, but at least it relies on seemingly impossible technology like 9,000 other things in Mass Effect, rather than presenting two choices that are anathema to most people's Shepard persona established over the course of three games. That's easier to fix with additional exposition than "Genocide is kind of Shepard's thing" or "Shepard runs with the Illusive Man's idea."
Shepard had to sacrifice someone on Virmire. I'd say losing the geth is acceptable to take down the Reapers. Destroying the solar system would also be worth it.
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Tali explains it as being that since their planet didn't have insect life the creatures that evolved there had a symbiotic or at least sympathetic relationship with plant life. I don't know the specifics, because I think she says she doesn't know them either, but their immune systems accept foreign material more easily as a result of that or something. It's not diseases that pose a threat, she says that if she's exposed to a human being who has a cold she won't catch the cold, but rather her immune system will accept the foreign material then because it's not something that originated on Rannoch it will have an extreme overreaction as it goes "what the fuuuuck is this why isn't it helping? Oh shit oh shit oh shit".
At least that's the vague sense I remember. I have no idea how much of that is true or not. I think the idea was that they could never live off of Rannoch outside of their suits, it wasn't a new thing that suddenly started happening after the Morning War.
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That would also explain why they haven't colonized anywhere. They don't need a planet. They need their planet.
Yeah. It's an allergic reaction to any microorganism that they hadn't evolved to coexist with. The implication is that if they weren't in their suits all the time and were on Rannoch they would be ill for a short time but would eventually adapt. This would have happened when they were first born, but since now they basically live their entire lives in those suits none of them ever got that adaptation even on the fleet. Like Tali says, the suits are as much a cultural thing as for their protection and that's why they wear them even on the clean areas of their ships.
At least this is still up. Hopefully we get more scenes like this in ME4
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I was going to ask @curly haired boy what he did with the video while also posting my video of Shepard dancing to September, but then I looked at my channel and saw that my September video is gone and I didn't even get a notice about it. Maybe Earth, Wind and Fire's record label is doing a crackdown.
By looking at my video manager... but it's not searchable anymore.
edit: 'your country' being the USA in my case.
Booooo
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First time that's happened.
Perfect runs are boring anyway.
I've done the perfect runs, and those are cool, but now I'm on the 'permutations'.
There are other videos out there with the Shepard shuffle.
But it's just not the same.
So I kinda wiggle around on the spot and do that ~~woobity-woobity-woo~~ thing with my arms and everything is alright with the world
My Shepard was a damn hero. Quarian/Geth conflict? No big deal. Krogan? Safely under Wrex's leadership with the genophage cured. Rachni? Allies. Thorian? Defeated with no loss of life at Zhu's Hope. Friggin' Space Hitler? Girlfriend and no longer a Nazi. The Council? Allowed to survive, but hung up on repeatedly. Batarians? ...killed by the score
Only Kaiden, Mordin, and Thane died under his watch, which I believe is the story minimum. None in the suicide mission.
My Shepard was a collation builder when possible, head puncher when necessary. Slow to anger, but absolutely ruthless and efficient when pressed into action. And he didn't just save the galaxy, he made it a more inclusive, understanding, open place.
Fuckin' A, do I miss my squad. New squad had better be some cool guys, they have big shoes to fill.
That's right, I forgot about that.
Legion didn't die
Legion lives on in the Geth themselves
you filthy roboheathen
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Does anyone want to see those cos if not I'm gonna delete them to make space.
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Until you fry him with a beautiful wave of red.
Sorry bro, but it was for the good of the galaxy.
His sacrifice will be remembered in the coming empire.
Why I fear the ocean.
Yeah, it was that game you left and later started apologising during, like, wave 9. i did not reply at the time due to being in permanent mortal peril.
then in wave ten i was immediately eaten by a gru banshee
they'd had enough of my shit
and i was completely exhausted by that point anyway so i didnt even have the energy to be mad
The good of the galaxy would seem to be best served by preserving the knowledge and memory of the civilizations that came before the current cycle. Which is only accomplished through Synthesis.
Yeah, it sucks that it's such a magical cop-out of an ending, but at least it relies on seemingly impossible technology like 9,000 other things in Mass Effect, rather than presenting two choices that are anathema to most people's Shepard persona established over the course of three games. That's easier to fix with additional exposition than "Genocide is kind of Shepard's thing" or "Shepard runs with the Illusive Man's idea."
I prefer the theory that starkid was a lying piece of shit trying to save his own hide and there was no effect on anything other than the reapers
because screw starkid's rambling
It depends on the species.
Turian.
Why I fear the ocean.
i'm still sorry :P
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dont be, i thought it was hilarious
i think you wished me luck in the gold solo run i was planning to do
it warmed my heart as i finished off the wave
After all this time?
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Shepard had to sacrifice someone on Virmire. I'd say losing the geth is acceptable to take down the Reapers. Destroying the solar system would also be worth it.