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  • simonwolfsimonwolf i'm in love with your brother what's his nameRegistered User regular
    Speaking of wine

    I'm tempted to get that worker placement board game, Viticulture

    but the price for it down here is making me wince

    Australian economy-chan...

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    One thing that I found kind of funny about Star Trek is at one point Quark tells another alien how big of dupes the Federation are, and that in every business deal with them they get positively fleeced like he's the cleverest guy alive

    and the thing is, the Federation probably knows everyone's ripping them off but they don't give a shit, heck they're probably happy a Ferengi is ripping them off instead of someone who can't afford it (at least until the Dominion war)

    override367 on
  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    simonwolf wrote: »
    Speaking of wine

    I'm tempted to get that worker placement board game, Viticulture

    but the price for it down here is making me wince

    Australian economy-chan...
    You should try and stimulate foreign investment.

    This is the best chance you will have to get a stake in simonworf in years

    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    One thing that I found kind of funny about Star Trek is at one point Quark tells another alien how big of dupes the Federation are, and that in every business deal with them they get positively fleeced like he's the cleverest guy alive

    and the thing is, the Federation probably knows everyone's ripping them off but they don't give a shit, heck they're probably happy a Ferengi is ripping them off instead of someone who can't afford it (at least until the Dominion war)

    oh man it goes even deeper than that if you think about it (and I don't know if the writer did or if he was just like LOL FEDERATION)

    but Ferengi are a commerce-based society, right? he who dies with the most toys literally wins at Ferengi life

    so the guy who does business with the Federation, the guy who doesn't mind talking to hew-mons, he "fleeces" them and walks away with fucking sacks full of cash every time

    he becomes that much more important in Ferengi society. pretty soon everyone starts looking at what he's doing and being like "well, shit we need in on that action"

    fast forward a hundred years

    the Ferengi who are most amenable to working with the Federation are in charge and they are dependent on that trade for their powerbase

    LOL WHOOPS

    Elldrenoverride367PLA
  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    One thing that I found kind of funny about Star Trek is at one point Quark tells another alien how big of dupes the Federation are, and that in every business deal with them they get positively fleeced like he's the cleverest guy alive

    and the thing is, the Federation probably knows everyone's ripping them off but they don't give a shit, heck they're probably happy a Ferengi is ripping them off instead of someone who can't afford it (at least until the Dominion war)

    oh man it goes even deeper than that if you think about it (and I don't know if the writer did or if he was just like LOL FEDERATION)

    but Ferengi are a commerce-based society, right? he who dies with the most toys literally wins at Ferengi life

    so the guy who does business with the Federation, the guy who doesn't mind talking to hew-mons, he "fleeces" them and walks away with fucking sacks full of cash every time

    he becomes that much more important in Ferengi society. pretty soon everyone starts looking at what he's doing and being like "well, shit we need in on that action"

    fast forward a hundred years

    the Ferengi who are most amenable to working with the Federation are in charge and they are dependent on that trade for their powerbase

    LOL WHOOPS

    And then the Federation starts to rub off on them, Ferengi society becomes so enriched by trading with this culture that has virtually unlimited resources that the concept of winners and losers in their society starts to become silly

    As Eddington says, in the end the Federation is out to assimilate everyone

    override367 on
    Elldren
  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    How can you even make money running a bar in Star Trek when you're just serving the same instantly materialized food as everywhere else? How is there even still money?

    The Federation doesn't have money within its own borders. Deep Space 9 isn't in Federation borders, and that doesn't mean nobody else uses money (as they plainly and repeatedly state they do!). Federation officers on a station like Deep Space 9 are almost certainly allotted money-equivalents that allow them to make purchases that the other party can trade back to the Federation government for energy, information, or other resources.

    Why would someone on Earth or another socialist planet run a bar? Because they want to. People will still want a place to drink and socialize together even if they can replicate drinks at home, and the person who creates a space that people want to go to will earn themselves social prestige and guanxi within their community that they can trade on to get other things that they want.

    I think a lot of people who run businesses would continue to do so without pay if needs were totally removed from the equation

    the thing is, nobody would work themselves to death

    the "price" of labor would be extremely high, you'd have to have a work environment that people wanted to be part of. One's occupation is likely one of the highest forms of social currency. We're also told that replicated food and drink are not as good as the real thing, and wine from a real winery like Picard's would be highly prized

    lack of money is one of the dumbest constraints of the universe, and I think it can be most easily handwaved by the privileges starfleet personnel have in the forms of transit (they have transporter credits) and likely superior access to things like holodecks

    Lack of explicit currency does not mean a lack of an economy

    see things like Marvel Heroes for example.

    fuck gendered marketing
    override367JacobkoshPLAprogramjunkie
  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    The Federation clearly does have an economy, as Nog explains to the hapless Obrien in DS9

    ElldrenPLA
  • simonwolfsimonwolf i'm in love with your brother what's his nameRegistered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    simonwolf wrote: »
    Speaking of wine

    I'm tempted to get that worker placement board game, Viticulture

    but the price for it down here is making me wince

    Australian economy-chan...
    You should try and stimulate foreign investment.

    This is the best chance you will have to get a stake in simonworf in years

    I've been trying to get foreign women invested in me for years

    It hasn't worked so far, and I doubt it'll be any better now that simonworf LLC is hitting rock bottom

  • OrphaneOrphane There will be Light. Registered User regular
    why are strawberry popsicles so delicious.

    PLA
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    One thing that I found kind of funny about Star Trek is at one point Quark tells another alien how big of dupes the Federation are, and that in every business deal with them they get positively fleeced like he's the cleverest guy alive

    and the thing is, the Federation probably knows everyone's ripping them off but they don't give a shit, heck they're probably happy a Ferengi is ripping them off instead of someone who can't afford it (at least until the Dominion war)

    oh man it goes even deeper than that if you think about it (and I don't know if the writer did or if he was just like LOL FEDERATION)

    but Ferengi are a commerce-based society, right? he who dies with the most toys literally wins at Ferengi life

    so the guy who does business with the Federation, the guy who doesn't mind talking to hew-mons, he "fleeces" them and walks away with fucking sacks full of cash every time

    he becomes that much more important in Ferengi society. pretty soon everyone starts looking at what he's doing and being like "well, shit we need in on that action"

    fast forward a hundred years

    the Ferengi who are most amenable to working with the Federation are in charge and they are dependent on that trade for their powerbase

    LOL WHOOPS

    And then the Federation starts to rub off on them, Ferengi society becomes so enriched by trading with this culture that has virtually unlimited resources that the concept of winners and losers in their society starts to become silly

    As Eddington says, in the end the Federation is out to assimilate everyone

    well, Eddington's view is jaundiced by dint of him being a baby. anytime anyone does the AT LEAST X IS HONEST my eyes basically roll out of my head

    the Federation doesn't have to be "out" to get anyone to want to secure its citizens' safety and prosperity and it tries to do so through mutually beneficial cooperation instead of war

    I mean if I was Grand Nagus I might be mad about the Federation subtly undermining my horrific dog-eat-dog society but I bet the enormous mass of their society's "losers" - and the women - take a somewhat different view!

    Elldren
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Does an artist who has all the money they could ever need then create art for free?

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Does an artist who has all the money they could ever need then create art for free?

    artists who don't have all the money they need create art for free all the time

    IncenjucarOrphanePLAkedinikprogramjunkieElldren
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    One thing that I found kind of funny about Star Trek is at one point Quark tells another alien how big of dupes the Federation are, and that in every business deal with them they get positively fleeced like he's the cleverest guy alive

    and the thing is, the Federation probably knows everyone's ripping them off but they don't give a shit, heck they're probably happy a Ferengi is ripping them off instead of someone who can't afford it (at least until the Dominion war)

    oh man it goes even deeper than that if you think about it (and I don't know if the writer did or if he was just like LOL FEDERATION)

    but Ferengi are a commerce-based society, right? he who dies with the most toys literally wins at Ferengi life

    so the guy who does business with the Federation, the guy who doesn't mind talking to hew-mons, he "fleeces" them and walks away with fucking sacks full of cash every time

    he becomes that much more important in Ferengi society. pretty soon everyone starts looking at what he's doing and being like "well, shit we need in on that action"

    fast forward a hundred years

    the Ferengi who are most amenable to working with the Federation are in charge and they are dependent on that trade for their powerbase

    LOL WHOOPS

    And then the Federation starts to rub off on them, Ferengi society becomes so enriched by trading with this culture that has virtually unlimited resources that the concept of winners and losers in their society starts to become silly

    As Eddington says, in the end the Federation is out to assimilate everyone

    well, Eddington's view is jaundiced by dint of him being a baby. anytime anyone does the AT LEAST X IS HONEST my eyes basically roll out of my head

    the Federation doesn't have to be "out" to get anyone to want to secure its citizens' safety and prosperity and it tries to do so through mutually beneficial cooperation instead of war

    I mean if I was Grand Nagus I might be mad about the Federation subtly undermining my horrific dog-eat-dog society but I bet the enormous mass of their society's "losers" - and the women - take a somewhat different view!

    Quark's mom seemed to benefit from the Grand Nagus being influenced by the Federation.

    JacobkoshPLAElldren
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    One thing that I found kind of funny about Star Trek is at one point Quark tells another alien how big of dupes the Federation are, and that in every business deal with them they get positively fleeced like he's the cleverest guy alive

    and the thing is, the Federation probably knows everyone's ripping them off but they don't give a shit, heck they're probably happy a Ferengi is ripping them off instead of someone who can't afford it (at least until the Dominion war)

    oh man it goes even deeper than that if you think about it (and I don't know if the writer did or if he was just like LOL FEDERATION)

    but Ferengi are a commerce-based society, right? he who dies with the most toys literally wins at Ferengi life

    so the guy who does business with the Federation, the guy who doesn't mind talking to hew-mons, he "fleeces" them and walks away with fucking sacks full of cash every time

    he becomes that much more important in Ferengi society. pretty soon everyone starts looking at what he's doing and being like "well, shit we need in on that action"

    fast forward a hundred years

    the Ferengi who are most amenable to working with the Federation are in charge and they are dependent on that trade for their powerbase

    LOL WHOOPS

    And then the Federation starts to rub off on them, Ferengi society becomes so enriched by trading with this culture that has virtually unlimited resources that the concept of winners and losers in their society starts to become silly

    As Eddington says, in the end the Federation is out to assimilate everyone

    well, Eddington's view is jaundiced by dint of him being a baby. anytime anyone does the AT LEAST X IS HONEST my eyes basically roll out of my head

    the Federation doesn't have to be "out" to get anyone to want to secure its citizens' safety and prosperity and it tries to do so through mutually beneficial cooperation instead of war

    I mean if I was Grand Nagus I might be mad about the Federation subtly undermining my horrific dog-eat-dog society but I bet the enormous mass of their society's "losers" - and the women - take a somewhat different view!

    Quark's mom seemed to benefit from the Grand Nagus being influenced by the Federation.

    winky, etc

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Does an artist who has all the money they could ever need then create art for free?

    artists who don't have all the money they need create art for free all the time

    A huge portion of the games industry is basically people taking a lifelong kick in the junk to do what they want instead of what makes the most money.

    JacobkoshElldren
  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Does an artist who has all the money they could ever need then create art for free?

    artists who don't have all the money they need create art for free all the time

    A huge portion of the games industry is basically people taking a lifelong kick in the junk to do what they want instead of what makes the most money.
    A huge portion of most industries is this, if you define "doing what they want" as "not dying, buying food" and such.

    The games industry does seem pretty lousy for it though

    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
    Incenjucar
  • milskimilski UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ Registered User regular
    Well, that was a disappointing round of baseball. 16th inning loss due to two errors in a single play and a dumb call by the baserunner.

    You can't write me off like that! You're just a voice, pal! You don't know a DAMN THING ABOUT RACING!!
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
  • simonwolfsimonwolf i'm in love with your brother what's his nameRegistered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Does an artist who has all the money they could ever need then create art for free?

    artists who don't have all the money they need create art for free all the time

    A huge portion of the games industry is basically people taking a lifelong kick in the junk to do what they want instead of what makes the most money.
    A huge portion of most industries is this, if you define "doing what they want" as "not dying, buying food" and such.

    The games industry does seem pretty lousy for it though

    uWUWhZh.jpg?1

    JacobkoshApothe0sisGimkedinikElldren
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    @RiemannLives

    So those old MERPs maps...if you put them all together, you get this.

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9qwm-rNX9YEX0hUYkZDdzY1Tjg/edit

    Elldren
  • milskimilski UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    16 innings?!

    A&M couldn't hit and TCU left multiple runners on base every inning. It was bizarre.

    At one point A&M managed to close an inning with the bases loaded against TCU's best batter because he hit a line that smashed into A&M's pitcher, which then immediately bounced to the first baseman.

    milski on
    You can't write me off like that! You're just a voice, pal! You don't know a DAMN THING ABOUT RACING!!
  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Anyway, in a post scarcity economy artists do not feel economically motivated to make art, we will motivate them, force them if you will

    Rob Liefeld Jr, you are sentenced to 5 years of hard art in the art camps, gather your tracing paper and water colours. Mechanical pencils and sharpies will be provided

    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
    PLA
  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    I actually think the fact fans get pissed when things don't go the way they'd like for characters is very much a function of their engagement with them. Ideally, the viewer desires the candy-coated (or vengeful) ending for the character in question even in spite of theme or narrative because they just have that strong of an emotional reaction towards them. This is good! The viewer doesn't write the text, the author does, and the viewer doesn't have to think like the author, in feeling their genuine opposition to what the author is writing they are unwittingly engaging the author's version of the text. The viewer ought think like the viewer.

    milskiElldren
  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Does an artist who has all the money they could ever need then create art for free?

    artists who don't have all the money they need create art for free all the time

    A huge portion of the games industry is basically people taking a lifelong kick in the junk to do what they want instead of what makes the most money.
    A huge portion of most industries is this, if you define "doing what they want" as "not dying, buying food" and such.

    The games industry does seem pretty lousy for it though

    In the worst non-intern cases I've seen, people with 4-year degrees getting paid minimum wage and having to bus in to see if work is even there that day, working in terrible environments in constant physical contact with all the other testers. It gets pretty gross sometimes.

    Apothe0sis
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Anyway, in a post scarcity economy artists do not feel economically motivated to make art, we will motivate them, force them if you will

    Rob Liefeld Jr, you are sentenced to 5 years of hard art in the art camps, gather your tracing paper and water colours. Mechanical pencils and sharpies will be provided

    5 years in the art mines would do the real Liefeld a world of good

    PLAkedinik
  • CoinageCoinage The Naming of Cats is a difficult matter Registered User regular
    Self-published author has a meltdown on Goodreads A sample
    NO. I don't want you to do anything because you're immoral. Leave this up so that every person henceforth can see ALL OF YOU for what YOU ARE. DESTRUCTIVE to consciousness and humanity. What you've done to me, you do to YOURSELF, because if you KNEW anything about anything, you'd know we were all connected to each other, and instead of destroying each other's work, you'd be supporting each other, which is why I will NEVER behave like ANY of you immoral people, and I won't go seeing what you've written or done in the world so I can destroy that. No, I will only defend my work against EVIL.

    And today, all of you see why EVIL IS KICKING HUMANITY'S ASS, and why the human condition is SLAVERY.

    THAT'S what The Tale of Onora is about, and if you can't grasp that, then BE GONE!
    Amazing.

    s586cu2r93hr.gif
    JacobkoshDasUberEdwardBogartElldren
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Anyway, in a post scarcity economy artists do not feel economically motivated to make art, we will motivate them, force them if you will

    Rob Liefeld Jr, you are sentenced to 5 years of hard art in the art camps, gather your tracing paper and water colours. Mechanical pencils and sharpies will be provided

    5 years in the art mines would do the real Liefeld a world of good

    Five years of drawing feet. The very sight of toes makes him weep.

    JacobkoshIncenjucar
  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    And if you think the audience is going to refuse to purchase something that's going to piss them off, then explain video games

    DasUberEdward
  • milskimilski UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    I actually think the fact fans get pissed when things don't go the way they'd like for characters is very much a function of their engagement with them. Ideally, the viewer desires the candy-coated (or vengeful) ending for the character in question even in spite of theme or narrative because they just have that strong of an emotional reaction towards them. This is good! The viewer doesn't write the text, the author does, and the viewer doesn't have to think like the author, in feeling their genuine opposition to what the author is writing they are unwittingly engaging the author's version of the text. The viewer ought think like the viewer.

    I know it's probably overplayed, but Spec Ops was really good about this.

    You can't write me off like that! You're just a voice, pal! You don't know a DAMN THING ABOUT RACING!!
    DasUberEdward
  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Winky wrote: »
    And if you think the audience is going to refuse to purchase something that's going to piss them off, then explain video games

    Massive, chronic addiction. :pop:

    Incenjucar on
    DasUberEdwardPLA
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    speaking of beisbol

    FIRST IN AL CENTRAL HAHAHAHHAHA THIS IS THE YEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    @gooey @variable @STATE OF THE ART ROBOT

    VariableGooey
  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    hangovers r stupid butt

  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Coinage wrote: »
    Self-published author has a meltdown on Goodreads A sample
    NO. I don't want you to do anything because you're immoral. Leave this up so that every person henceforth can see ALL OF YOU for what YOU ARE. DESTRUCTIVE to consciousness and humanity. What you've done to me, you do to YOURSELF, because if you KNEW anything about anything, you'd know we were all connected to each other, and instead of destroying each other's work, you'd be supporting each other, which is why I will NEVER behave like ANY of you immoral people, and I won't go seeing what you've written or done in the world so I can destroy that. No, I will only defend my work against EVIL.

    And today, all of you see why EVIL IS KICKING HUMANITY'S ASS, and why the human condition is SLAVERY.

    THAT'S what The Tale of Onora is about, and if you can't grasp that, then BE GONE!
    Amazing.

    Heh, someone got Tom Krat/\man to have a kind of meltdown in the Amazon reviews of one of his books. They basically gave a two star review that was well as negative as a two star review often is. But the fact they didn't just give him one star made him flip his shit.

    Edit: Forgot he loves to self-google and I suspect the mods would not appreciate him summoning him.

    Thomamelas on
    DasUberEdward
  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
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    JacobkoshprogramjunkieElldren
  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    And if you think the audience is going to refuse to purchase something that's going to piss them off, then explain video games

    Massive, chronic addiction. :pop:

    Yeah, like all entertainment!

    Incenjucar
  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    Sorry that my book evoked such a horrible response. May I ask how you discovered it? I'm an indie author. I work over 100 hours a week to get my books to succeed so that I don't have to be a slave anymore.

    i dunno man sounds like ur a slave to shitty genre writing

    Incenjucar
  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    I got water on my surface keyboard and now it doesn't do vertical arrow input or anything in uppercase

    there is no greater suffering

    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
    ronya
  • CokebotleCokebotle 穴掘りの Registered User regular
    Hm... read 3 chapters of project management and copied 2 lectures of speech processing notes.

    Today was ... somewhat productive.

    工事中
    Incenjucar
  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    Self-published author has a meltdown on Goodreads A sample
    NO. I don't want you to do anything because you're immoral. Leave this up so that every person henceforth can see ALL OF YOU for what YOU ARE. DESTRUCTIVE to consciousness and humanity. What you've done to me, you do to YOURSELF, because if you KNEW anything about anything, you'd know we were all connected to each other, and instead of destroying each other's work, you'd be supporting each other, which is why I will NEVER behave like ANY of you immoral people, and I won't go seeing what you've written or done in the world so I can destroy that. No, I will only defend my work against EVIL.

    And today, all of you see why EVIL IS KICKING HUMANITY'S ASS, and why the human condition is SLAVERY.

    THAT'S what The Tale of Onora is about, and if you can't grasp that, then BE GONE!
    Amazing.

    Let ye who has had to deal with a million douchebags picking apart every minute flaw in your creative work throw the first stone

    ronya
  • milskimilski UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    I got water on my surface keyboard and now it doesn't do vertical arrow input or anything in uppercase

    there is no greater suffering

    but now you can become surrealitycheck

    You can't write me off like that! You're just a voice, pal! You don't know a DAMN THING ABOUT RACING!!
    emnmnmeApothe0sisPLA
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