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Quid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HpZevFifuo

Ant Man is out! It's the latest entry in to the MCU. Talk about it here so as not to fill up the MCU thread.

Plan to see this tomorrow or Sunday. Very much looking forward to it.

gjaustin

I enjoyed Ant-man, but it doesn't reach the peak we saw in the MCU last year with Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy.

I'd put it about on the level of Iron Man 2 or Captain America: First Avenger. So better than Iron Man 3 and Thor at least

Shadowhope

gjaustin wrote: »

I enjoyed Ant-man, but it doesn't reach the peak we saw in the MCU last year with Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy.

I'd put it about on the level of Iron Man 2 or Captain America: First Avenger. So better than Iron Man 3 and Thor at least

That pretty much summed it up.

Also, it needed more

Wasp.


Was it just me or was there a Wasp silhouette while he was going sub-atomic?

Dark Raven X

I mostly liked it! I had a problem with a lack in the visuals tho. I was expecting something that I didn't get.

There was no shot from Scott's perspective of the world changing around him. And a lot of the size changing in the fight scenes was rushed and left a lot up to the imagination. I wanted some dynamic visuals, weird zany shit with close ups of a fist changing size and it all felt so safe and dull, y'know?

I mean the stuff of Scott when shrunk looked great, and there was lots of fun to be had there. They just didn't do any action involving him changing size.

I guess it's a very tough thing to conceptualize and then create, but I was really hoping for more. Figured the trailers didn't show it cause it wasn't done yet, but nah, just none in here. :I

Gaddez

Saw it today and enjoyed it a lot more then I thought I would; Marvel seems to know exactly how to roll with the inherent absurdity of some of the characters and just have fun with them.

RMS Oceanic

One bit I liked

They take the time to explain why they aren't involving the Avengers. I mean, I think Pym was wrong and bringing them in would be the right move, but from a character viewpoint it all fits nicely.

One bit I disapproved of in a really facetious jokey way

Thomas pulls Annie first. Not Clarabel. You think I wouldn't spot that? And mixing those other coaches in makes it even worse!

I did like how pulling out to standard size perspective makes the collision so anticlimactic though.

Definitely liked the reduced stakes, even if

Overt links to Hydra kinda feel forced and artificially inflate the stakes again, even if it's less "I gotta save the world" and more "I gotta prevent this becoming a world threatening problem."

General good bits

The Peggy Carter cameo
The "he said she said" sequences
The Falcon fight scene. Just the right touch of connectivity with the wider world.
Luis taking the time to rescue the guy he knocked out
The tank being a real tank. Pretty obvious I think, but the payoff was nice
The final toy fight, including the embiggening of Thomas

Credit teaser #1

There was discussion in the MCU thread about how much skin the Wasp suit seems to show. Pretty sure it's because the suit is unfinished. And also it's a plot point that it's really dangerous/outright fatal to shrink something/one not sealed tight. It will all depend on what the finished model looks like though.

Credit teaser #2 (Yes there are two of them, one mid credit and one end credit)

Blatant set up for Civil War, and almost certainly Bucky being the catalyst and Scott joining Team Cap, though it was vague (by design, probably) about what happened to make discovering Bucky at that time such a problem with Tony.

Johnny Chopsocky

gjaustin wrote: »

I enjoyed Ant-man, but it doesn't reach the peak we saw in the MCU last year with Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy.

I'd put it about on the level of Iron Man 2 or Captain America: First Avenger. So better than Iron Man 3 and Thor at least

I'll have none of this IM3-bashing nonsense, thank you very much.

Ant-Man is pretty darn delightful. Loads of charm, good laughs; basically a movie tailor-made to revisit some afternoon when you have a couple hours free.

Speaking of length, did anyone else end the movie thinking "no way that was 2 whole hours that felt way shorter"? This movie just cruises along and flies by.

RT800

I always feel like the ability to shrink only really counts as a superpower under the most contrived of circumstances.

Quid

RT800 wrote: »

I always feel like the ability to shrink only really counts as a superpower under the most contrived of circumstances.

Full disclosure: It's one of my least liked super powers.

That said, from what I've seen Ant Man makes it clear that he's all the power of the average person packed in to the mass of an ant. Which is probably my favorite interpretation.

Ninjeff

Yea i enjoyed the explanation of the power. Its not what you'd call "scientifically sound" but a good enough explanation for my brain to say "yep...works for me!".

In regards to the END credit scene...

Cap says "We cant contact Tony because of the accords..." Which i took to mean that this scene happens after "civil war" has already broken out, but things got so bad they might need all hands on deck to resolve the issue. I don't think Bucky was central to the issue, but more of a red herring for that scene. Like....Falcon and Cap just saw Thanos while they were fighting Bucky. Who knows.
Either way, it had a super foreboding sense to me.

Calica

Shadowhope wrote: »

Also, it needed more

Wasp.


Was it just me or was there a Wasp silhouette while he was going sub-atomic?

Wasp went subatomic over the ocean somewhere. Since Scott re-emerged still in the bedroom, I'd think physical location still holds when you're that small.

Biggest pet peeve with the whole subatomic thing: in both cases, someone had to get small enough to go between the titanium molecules, but after that they're still big enough to see and disable circuitry :P

Shadowhope

Calica wrote: »

Shadowhope wrote: »

Also, it needed more

Wasp.


Was it just me or was there a Wasp silhouette while he was going sub-atomic?

Wasp went subatomic over the ocean somewhere. Since Scott re-emerged still in the bedroom, I'd think physical location still holds when you're that small.

Biggest pet peeve with the whole subatomic thing: in both cases, someone had to get small enough to go between the titanium molecules, but after that they're still big enough to see and disable circuitry :P

While the Wasp went subatomic over the ocean, we also had constant reminders that time and space don't matter when that small.


If it was there, someone else will notice, I'm sure.

Lou29

I thought there was an outline of Jan during the Microverse bits, too. It looked mainly like the helmet and wings behind a couple of the clouds during a few flashes of light. My thought was that since he went out of his way to mention quantum dimensions and such that he was researching after she disappeared, and Dr. Strange has been explained with the phrase "Quantum Mechanics" several times, he'd help pinpoint Jan somewhere down the line.

I really, really enjoyed the movie overall, but think the cast would be best served in supporting roles across the next batch of movies. I really don't need to see more of Scott's gang or Judy Greer and her new husband, but Cassie, Hank, and Hope are a must.

Darren Cross taking over the Microverse or something would be cool, since I enjoyed his only real motivations being "wounded pride and a pretty huge smug dick", but I don't know that they'd come back to him in future movies. Not forcing or beating the audience over the head with the romance angle was appreciated, but good to know at the last minute that we'll be seeing the Ant-man/Wasp team moving forward.

I saw someone in another thread say they probably enjoyed it more than Guardians, and it'll take another viewing or two, but the same might go for me. Lots of little background references, and the bigger MCU elements that get mixed in seemed a bit forced, but not totally unbelievable. Would have made a great Phase 1 movie, probably one of the best of that group, and a nice step back from end-of-the-world level threats where it is in Phase 2. Will definitely see a couple more times, highly recommended.

-Loki-

gjaustin wrote: »

I enjoyed Ant-man, but it doesn't reach the peak we saw in the MCU last year with Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy.

I'd put it about on the level of Iron Man 2 or Captain America: First Avenger. So better than Iron Man 3 and Thor at least

Makes sense, since it was meant to be a phase 1 movie.

Dark Raven X

Hey, does embiggened stuff have structural weakness? Like, shrunk stuff is proportionally stronger the smaller it is compared to it's original size - does that mean using the blue disks makes something really soft n' squishy?

TexiKen

Dark Raven X wrote: »

Hey, does embiggened stuff have structural weakness? Like, shrunk stuff is proportionally stronger the smaller it is compared to it's original size - does that mean using the blue disks makes something really soft n' squishy?

It's never set in stone but you get the strength bonus of being big, but when you take damage while big, like a cut, you have to wait a bit to shrink down because the wound won't shrink proportionately. And also, if you eat when big and shrink, you throw up because not everything gets shrunk proportionately.

And then in the Ultimate Universe they put the cap on growing to 50 feet, because after that the body straight up can't support itself.

edit: oh, just stuff in general, yeah it should be weaker. But really the comics are hella loose with the Pym Particle stuff. Like Pym at one point was able to close a fault line with his powers.

see317

Dark Raven X wrote: »

Hey, does embiggened stuff have structural weakness? Like, shrunk stuff is proportionally stronger the smaller it is compared to it's original size - does that mean using the blue disks makes something really soft n' squishy?

Nope.

Remember that giant ant forced it's way past the cop on the stairs when it should have had the mass of a regular ant, also the Thomas the Tank toy busted the house and then crushed a cop car, so there's some increase in mass/structural strength when size increases.
Of course, the whole shrinking/enlarging thing was inconsistent at best (I know, I was shocked too!). At one point a shrunken Scott jumps a down few feet and shatters a floor tile when he lands, a little bit later he's crawling over dancers feet without them noticing. When he's trying to hit the door he has enough mass to make an audible "Thunk" and rattle the door in it's frame like he's still got his full mass, then he rides an ant around.
Also, Pym carries a miniature WWII tank around in his pocket without noticing the weight, but describes the miniaturization process as merely decreasing the distance between atoms, which would increase density but not decrease mass.

EclecticGroove

Just saw it.

I really enjoyed it. I was worried about it from the previews I caught. I am curious as to how it will do in the box office... I still feel like Marvel wasn't really sure how to present it. It's really a funny movie with a good cast, plenty of laughs from the audience in the theater I was at. The previews made it seem more super serious than it was.

It wasn't perfect, and I think Winter Soldier is still the most Solid movie Marvel has put out yet, but this one was enjoyable... right about the level of Guardians, just a bit less "rompy" if you know what I mean. Fun, but not quite the same sense of adventurous flamboyancy.

I also think the

Hydra tie in was a bit meh... the only saving grace that may have for me is if they tie it into Agents of Shield somehow because of it. But if there's no other tie in, I can't really see why they bothered. Just having the guy want to buy it to piss of Pym and Cross going nuts was more than enough.

McFodder

Yeah, I agree on the (last spoiler point)

Hydra tie in - seemed unnecessary. I would have preferred just a random government or a lesser used organisation like the remnants of AIM if they had to tie it back.

Overall, a lot of fun though and the 3D was good enough that I'll probably see it again that way when I head back to the cinema.

maximumzero

A very solid 8/10 film. Starts a bit slow but about halfway in the pace picks up until you hit the third act and things hit critical mass. Most enjoyable in the MCU outside of Winter Soldier and Avengers, and much more enjoyable than Age of Ultron. (which I really rather enjoyed)

Shadowhope

:hydra: :

The biggest thing that the Hydra tie-in did was to show that Hydra is still around and still has resources, even with the Avengers taking out its bases.

Tamin

I suppose one thing that bothered me

in a minute way
AoS / Ant-Man

at the beginning, we flashback to 1989 and the Triskelion is being built. Which is great, except that in AoS, we flashback to 2008 and there's a conversation about SHIELD "pouring every dime into the Triskelion".

Which, might not be a contradiction? They could be revamping it or something, but I got the impression (there, and from WS) it was a more recent structure.

edit: on the other hand, Ward's little "let's rebuild Hydra" bit from the finale is bearing fruit here.

Undead Scottsman

Tamin wrote: »

I suppose one thing that bothered me

in a minute way
AoS / Ant-Man

at the beginning, we flash-back to 1989 and the Triskelion is being built. Which is great, except that in AoS, we flashback to 2008 and there's a conversation about SHIELD "pouring every dime into the Triskelion".

Which, might not be a contradiction? They could be revamping it or something, but I got the impression (there, and from WS) it was a more recent structure.

Or it took a long-ass time to build.

Or they were talking about the drydock facilities

Dark Raven X

Tamin wrote: »

I suppose one thing that bothered me

in a minute way
AoS / Ant-Man

at the beginning, we flash-back to 1989 and the Triskelion is being built. Which is great, except that in AoS, we flashback to 2008 and there's a conversation about SHIELD "pouring every dime into the Triskelion".

Which, might not be a contradiction? They could be revamping it or something, but I got the impression (there, and from WS) it was a more recent structure.

edit: on the other hand, Ward's little "let's rebuild Hydra" bit from the finale is bearing fruit here.

It can make sense!

Triskelion is built in 1989.

In 2008 they start working on the Helicarrier dock. That shit's underwater, it'd take a while!

Then in 2012 they start filling em with the next gen Insight carriers rather than the classic ones.

Undead Scottsman

Dark Raven X wrote: »

Tamin wrote: »

I suppose one thing that bothered me

in a minute way
AoS / Ant-Man

at the beginning, we flash-back to 1989 and the Triskelion is being built. Which is great, except that in AoS, we flashback to 2008 and there's a conversation about SHIELD "pouring every dime into the Triskelion".

Which, might not be a contradiction? They could be revamping it or something, but I got the impression (there, and from WS) it was a more recent structure.

edit: on the other hand, Ward's little "let's rebuild Hydra" bit from the finale is bearing fruit here.

It can make sense!

Triskelion is built in 1989.

In 2008 they start working on the Helicarrier dock. That shit's underwater, it'd take a while!

Then in 2012 they start filling em with the next gen Insight carriers rather than the classic ones.

Actually, the writers probably didn't mean it this way, but I imagine the Helicarrier would be top secret until it launched, so "money to the Triskellion" might have actually been going into the Helicarrier.

Shadowhope

The big contradiction is the world's biggest arms dealer being unclear about what exactly the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division was about back in Iron Man.

Brainiac 8

Saw this last night, and I will say what probably won't be the popular opinion.

It was the most outright comedy of all the movies. The villain was basically Stane 2.0. It was also probably the lightest movie in the action department.

With that said, it was probably one of the most enjoyable movies from Marvel to me. It's up there with my favorites. Considering how little I expected from this movie, it amazed me how much I loved it.

So my favorite Marvel movies now goes:
1. Captain America Winter Soldier
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Ant-Man
4. Iron Man
5. Avengers

Shadowhope

The villain was definitely Stane 2.0.

Undead Scottsman

Yup. Though more immediately evil. (He was a cold motherfucker in that bathroom scene)

Shadowhope

Undead Scottsman wrote: »

Yup. Though more immediately evil. (He was a cold motherfucker in that bathroom scene)

Stane was also less creepy and more fun. I love a lot of the little moments with Stane, like when he played piano, brought pizza back from New York, or when he yelled at his minion that Stark had figured out the arc reactor while he was in a cave. He even had a few good successes, like with the Ten Rings guy.

You didn't really get that kind of fun villainy with Yellowjacket.

maximumzero

Brainiac 8 wrote: »

Saw this last night, and I will say what probably won't be the popular opinion.

It was the most outright comedy of all the movies. The villain was basically Stane 2.0. It was also probably the lightest movie in the action department.

With that said, it was probably one of the most enjoyable movies from Marvel to me. It's up there with my favorites. Considering how little I expected from this movie, it amazed me how much I loved it.

So my favorite Marvel movies now goes:
1. Captain America Winter Soldier
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Ant-Man
4. Iron Man
5. Avengers

I almost feel like objectively that's the best MCU films.

DevoutlyApathetic

Enjoyed it, a bit of a change up from the standard Marvel movie but it worked well I thought.

Was very happy they managed to nail Pym and Douglas did a very good job with him. Pym is an asshole and they captured that while also not making him horrible to watch without making him a glorious bastard. A less charismatic actor would have had issues with that.

EclecticGroove

DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »

Enjoyed it, a bit of a change up from the standard Marvel movie but it worked well I thought.

Was very happy they managed to nail Pym and Douglas did a very good job with him. Pym is an asshole and they captured that while also not making him horrible to watch without making him a glorious bastard. A less charismatic actor would have had issues with that.

I agree with that. They didn't make him some guy who was just misunderstood or anything. It was obvious in the beginning he had an ego, and that HE had to be the guy or no one would be.

That he also understood the dangers of his research is what made him not entirely a complete asshat.

Douglas did a great job conveying all of that, and worked well in the cast... hopefully he returns for at least one sequel.

I'd love to actually see him and Stark interact, I think they could play off against each other pretty well.

Kneel

Bloody hell, this was just wonderful! I could fault very little (HYDRA was a bit shoehorned), and I feel that only a bitter, stone-hearted cynic (or perhaps a career-Paul Rudd-hater) could fail to enjoy it.

gavindel

The HYDRA tie in made sense to me. if you "Evil Industrialist looking to sell stolen super tech" in the paper, why wouldn't they answer?

Kneel

Did anyone else cringe when

Yellowjacket was dying? When his arm got yanked into what I assume was an infinitely-shrinking point while the rest of his body was still 1/1 scale... dear me, that looked like it stung.

DevoutlyApathetic

Kneel wrote: »

Did anyone else cringe when

Yellowjacket was dying? When his arm got yanked into what I assume was an infinitely-shrinking point while the rest of his body was still 1/1 scale... dear me, that looked like it stung.

That little girl is gonna have nightmares for awhile.

Probably the cop step father too.

Kneel

Nah, they got the best consolation prize:

Ant-dog!

Tomanta

I enjoyed Ant-Man but wow, it took a long time to get going. I'd probably put it somewhere in the middle of the pack.

EclecticGroove

gavindel wrote: »

The HYDRA tie in made sense to me. if you "Evil Industrialist looking to sell stolen super tech" in the paper, why wouldn't they answer?

Except...

It wasn't stolen. Cross took the inspiration for the work and whatever remnants of it Pym still had at his company and re-created it.
It was completely his work to sell and do with as he needed, which was exactly why Pym needed to go a less legal route to get rid of it.

Hydra came in offering more than the offering price to ensure they got it, but Cross could have sold it perfectly legally.

jungleroomx

I've never seen a positive jump like Ant-Man got, on R/T, from 70% to 79% in a few days.