The best thing that can come from this new F4 movie is that it can do less than 30 million in domestic business this weekend. If that happens, I believe it'd be more profitable for Fox to try and sell the rights back to Marvel than to make another bomb.
Fox will have like 3/4ths of a decade to try again, IIRC, so I could see them shelving it and then pulling it out in 7 years. Again.
Where would someone begin with Morrison Batman? Snyder Batman?
The Complete Morrison Batman:
Batman and Son
Batman: The Black Glove
Batman RIP
Time and the Batman/Final Crisis
Batman and Robin vol. 1: Batman Reborn
Batman and Robin vol. 2: Batman vs. Robin
Batman and Robin vol. 3: Batman Must Die
The Return of Bruce Wayne
Batman Inc.
Batman Inc. vol. 1: Demon Star
Batman Inc. vol. 2: Gotham's Most Wanted
OH DID SOMEONE MENTION BATMAN RIP
Wait, what about Batman RIP?
I've never read in Morrison Batman (want to get round to it though) and I just got hold of a (used) copy of that book in particular it for free.
Is it good or to be avoided?
Batman RIP is great, but you should definitely read Batman and Son and Batman vs the Black Glove, which have more recently been collected together in a single volume as Batman and Son versus the Black Glove, before you read RIP.
Yeah okay this thing sounds like it was a production clusterfuck
Given the reports that all the military stuff in the trailers is missing from the movie, they must have cut an entire second act action sequence.
Fox should have just done a really crappy cheap movie to keep the rights like the Roger Corman version, because it sounds like they were just doing this:
On the other hand, if they had wasted a ton of money, that might give them an incentive to cut a deal with Marvel/Disney like Sony did with Spider-Man.
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God I am just honestly, really taken aback at how awful Fant4stic sounds
I was not anticipating this
I kind of was.
But wow. They just went all out.
Fantastic Four might be my favorite Marvel team, and this? It's like they made it for me to loathe it. If I wasn't expecting a turd from the getgo, I'd be upset. As is, it's only a shame that we're wasting the potential of Jordan Johnny Storm on... this.
I don't know that I've ever been angrier at a TV show's ending.
YOU DON'T JUST DROP DARKSEID ON US LIKE THAT, YOUNG JUSTICE. YOU MONSTERS.
Greg Weisman should know by now that everything he makes is cursed by dark wizards to be cancelled, and to just not even bother with frustrating cliffhangers.
the thing I want to know right now is: how fucking bad was the original cut of the film to cause this kind of hatchet job to "save" it, or was this movie actually screwed by the studio cutting everything except exposition and a third act fight scene?
the thing I want to know right now is: how fucking bad was the original cut of the film to cause this kind of hatchet job to "save" it, or was this movie actually screwed by the studio cutting everything except exposition and a third act fight scene?
Presumably both.
It looks like the movie started life as one persons incredibly flawed idea vision.
Then info started trickling out and the reaction was incredibly negative so the studio started making changes and none of it really helped.
the fact that fantastic four movies are always terrible is incredibly funny to me for some reason I can't fully articulate
how long does fox get to keep the rights for now? when can we expect a sequel where John Namor is a Hungarian ecoterrorist who is trying to save the oceans from corporate exploitation by hijacking an oil rig named Atlantis and declaring it an independent micronation?
man now that I think about it you could probably do a super low budget semi-independent Fantastic Four movie that isn't completely shit. just fuck off the effects budget, hire a good director and writer, have one and a half fight scenes and the rest of it is just personal drama, long conversations about science, physical comedy with Ben and Johnny. get Edgar Wright to do it. you're already writing the movie off as a serious endeavor, why not try to squeeze some respect from the critics out of it
Yeah okay this thing sounds like it was a production clusterfuck
Given the reports that all the military stuff in the trailers is missing from the movie, they must have cut an entire second act action sequence.
Fox should have just done a really crappy cheap movie to keep the rights like the Roger Corman version, because it sounds like they were just doing this:
On the other hand, if they had wasted a ton of money, that might give them an incentive to cut a deal with Marvel/Disney like Sony did with Spider-Man.
Considering that the Sony contract had stipulations and a minimum budget and release plan laid out in the contract for Spider-Man, I suspect that the Fantastic Four movie had a very similar part write in specifically to stop someone from doing that again.
It's like people forget that Marvel knows about it's own past or something.
you call Marvel and ask them to put Mark Waid, Jonathan Hickman and, let's see, Walter Simonson? Yeah that works. You get them to put those guys on a plane to your office, nicely paid for, first class and all, and then you sit down for a weekend and hash out the overall story, tone and such with those guys. It'll be great. It's almost like they are professional creators who have worked with the property!
Then, because none of them are movie writers, you bring in a solid writer to turn that strong, rather detailed outline into an actual script
Yeah okay this thing sounds like it was a production clusterfuck
Given the reports that all the military stuff in the trailers is missing from the movie, they must have cut an entire second act action sequence.
Fox should have just done a really crappy cheap movie to keep the rights like the Roger Corman version, because it sounds like they were just doing this:
On the other hand, if they had wasted a ton of money, that might give them an incentive to cut a deal with Marvel/Disney like Sony did with Spider-Man.
Considering that the Sony contract had stipulations and a minimum budget and release plan laid out in the contract for Spider-Man, I suspect that the Fantastic Four movie had a very similar part write in specifically to stop someone from doing that again.
It's like people forget that Marvel knows about it's own past or something.
The rights to the F4 hasn't moved since the 80's. The studio that made the Corman film still retains the rights to F4.
Yeah okay this thing sounds like it was a production clusterfuck
Given the reports that all the military stuff in the trailers is missing from the movie, they must have cut an entire second act action sequence.
Fox should have just done a really crappy cheap movie to keep the rights like the Roger Corman version, because it sounds like they were just doing this:
On the other hand, if they had wasted a ton of money, that might give them an incentive to cut a deal with Marvel/Disney like Sony did with Spider-Man.
Considering that the Sony contract had stipulations and a minimum budget and release plan laid out in the contract for Spider-Man, I suspect that the Fantastic Four movie had a very similar part write in specifically to stop someone from doing that again.
It's like people forget that Marvel knows about it's own past or something.
The rights to the F4 hasn't moved since the 80's. The studio that made the Corman film still retains the rights to F4.
? Neither Constantin Film Produktion nor New Horizons are owned by Fox as far as I can tell.
EDIT: Weird, so Fox isn't the only hand in who owns the FF rights.
you don't really need to bring in comics guys to do characters justice, just like, read the source material
you don't even have to be 100% faithful to it, just get an idea of what made those characters popular in the first place and, you know, use that knowledge to your advantage
Yeah okay this thing sounds like it was a production clusterfuck
Given the reports that all the military stuff in the trailers is missing from the movie, they must have cut an entire second act action sequence.
Fox should have just done a really crappy cheap movie to keep the rights like the Roger Corman version, because it sounds like they were just doing this:
On the other hand, if they had wasted a ton of money, that might give them an incentive to cut a deal with Marvel/Disney like Sony did with Spider-Man.
Considering that the Sony contract had stipulations and a minimum budget and release plan laid out in the contract for Spider-Man, I suspect that the Fantastic Four movie had a very similar part write in specifically to stop someone from doing that again.
It's like people forget that Marvel knows about it's own past or something.
The rights to the F4 hasn't moved since the 80's. The studio that made the Corman film still retains the rights to F4.
? Neither Constantin Film Produktion nor New Horizons are owned by Fox as far as I can tell.
EDIT: Weird, so Fox isn't the only hand in who owns the FF rights.
The whole thing is kind of complicated but just because a company has the rights to make films based on an intellectual property doesn't mean that company has to pay or distribute it themselves. They can go and make their own deals on who finances and distributes the film.
Marvel probably made a really crappy deal when they optioned out the rights to F4. This kind of thing happens pretty often. For example, the company that optioned the rights to the Wheel of Time series has done some really scummy things.
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Fox will have like 3/4ths of a decade to try again, IIRC, so I could see them shelving it and then pulling it out in 7 years. Again.
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Batman RIP is great, but you should definitely read Batman and Son and Batman vs the Black Glove, which have more recently been collected together in a single volume as Batman and Son versus the Black Glove, before you read RIP.
Fox should have just done a really crappy cheap movie to keep the rights like the Roger Corman version, because it sounds like they were just doing this:
On the other hand, if they had wasted a ton of money, that might give them an incentive to cut a deal with Marvel/Disney like Sony did with Spider-Man.
I was not anticipating this
I kind of was.
But wow. They just went all out.
Fantastic Four might be my favorite Marvel team, and this? It's like they made it for me to loathe it. If I wasn't expecting a turd from the getgo, I'd be upset. As is, it's only a shame that we're wasting the potential of Jordan Johnny Storm on... this.
Why I fear the ocean.
Deadpool feels like more of that so I'm in
Well hit-money probably is with fox...
it's ant hyphen man
::shakes fist in general direction::
okay half of these spoilers are terrible and half of them are incredible
This is pretty much my exact reading of it, yeah
That's actually something I'd never considered. I wonder if it has to be specifically a project headlining them?
Presumably both.
It looks like the movie started life as one persons incredibly flawed idea vision.
Then info started trickling out and the reaction was incredibly negative so the studio started making changes and none of it really helped.
I've been corrupted, because this is all I could picture when song started ( Not that I 'm complaining that much)
how long does fox get to keep the rights for now? when can we expect a sequel where John Namor is a Hungarian ecoterrorist who is trying to save the oceans from corporate exploitation by hijacking an oil rig named Atlantis and declaring it an independent micronation?
man now that I think about it you could probably do a super low budget semi-independent Fantastic Four movie that isn't completely shit. just fuck off the effects budget, hire a good director and writer, have one and a half fight scenes and the rest of it is just personal drama, long conversations about science, physical comedy with Ben and Johnny. get Edgar Wright to do it. you're already writing the movie off as a serious endeavor, why not try to squeeze some respect from the critics out of it
Geth, are you a pervert?
Considering that the Sony contract had stipulations and a minimum budget and release plan laid out in the contract for Spider-Man, I suspect that the Fantastic Four movie had a very similar part write in specifically to stop someone from doing that again.
It's like people forget that Marvel knows about it's own past or something.
you call Marvel and ask them to put Mark Waid, Jonathan Hickman and, let's see, Walter Simonson? Yeah that works. You get them to put those guys on a plane to your office, nicely paid for, first class and all, and then you sit down for a weekend and hash out the overall story, tone and such with those guys. It'll be great. It's almost like they are professional creators who have worked with the property!
Then, because none of them are movie writers, you bring in a solid writer to turn that strong, rather detailed outline into an actual script
Then you make that movie
The rights to the F4 hasn't moved since the 80's. The studio that made the Corman film still retains the rights to F4.
? Neither Constantin Film Produktion nor New Horizons are owned by Fox as far as I can tell.
EDIT: Weird, so Fox isn't the only hand in who owns the FF rights.
you don't even have to be 100% faithful to it, just get an idea of what made those characters popular in the first place and, you know, use that knowledge to your advantage
The whole thing is kind of complicated but just because a company has the rights to make films based on an intellectual property doesn't mean that company has to pay or distribute it themselves. They can go and make their own deals on who finances and distributes the film.
Marvel probably made a really crappy deal when they optioned out the rights to F4. This kind of thing happens pretty often. For example, the company that optioned the rights to the Wheel of Time series has done some really scummy things.
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Unthinkable was such a fuckin arc, man