I'd go with johana, or leo. You can get by without any specialists, but if you're the last pick and you're forced to tank, there is a good chance muradin may already be taken and diablo isn't the best solo tank right now.
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I was surprised how successful I was with a random Illidan game yesterday. Team wasn't particularly made for it, and the game started with me going up against Lili in bottom lane with someone else (dont remember who). Every time I Q in and evade then W out I was blind the whole time. Of course I did drain her mana that way because woops I am illidan I can do this forever. So when objectives came she seemed pretty useless. Still, all I had to do was be patient then swoop in and drop made betrayal on everyone and they all died. I built SO defensive that game. My overall damage was low. But I made sure every person who lost a fight died.
Had an Illiderp yesterday who thought he could 5v1. My favorite is when he would run so far into enemy territory our healers couldnt reach him and hed bitch about it.
Every once in a while you get one of "those guys" who can lose a game for your entire team. A 2 and 8 Illiderp is one of those guys.
i'd say 90% of people who show illidan right when a draft starts are going to be this person. he's got such specific requirements that you're just so likely to get hard countered.
Oh well, after getting a leaver penalty last night because blizzard's servers are crap and I couldn't reconnect in time to an already lost game (7 losses in a row) I uninstalled HotS.
Went from 9 to 13 in a single night because people don't know how to draft and don't understand how not to throw.
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Is it not just like, possible to play the game not as seriously?
Like just kind of log in, play, and not give a shit?
Is it not just like, possible to play the game not as seriously?
Like just kind of log in, play, and not give a shit?
^ this
I mean tbh it's the reason I like Heroes? I feel like you can play it more easily as a filthy casual than other MOBAS and if you do, you have a lot more fun.
Y'know, pull stupid shit like all Supports or all Specialists.
Speaking of all Support, my current thought on an ideal All Support team is something like:
Khazarim: as Assassin
LiLi: Assassin
Uther: Tank
Malfurion: Specialist
Rehgar: Tank, maybe?
You could switch out somebody for a weird specialist Brightwing or Tassadar, with Brightwing focused on Polymorph and Tass focused on Vision, force wall, and psychic storm for minion clears. I don't know enough about Tyrande to know where she'd fit.
I can kinda see where Knight is coming from... I'm the definition of a filthy casual these days, but it's still my time that I'm investing in a game (and yes, it's a game). So losing a match because I was out played is just fine... Playing with less experienced players or people who are trying buy haven't gotten it yet... that's going to happen and it's ok.
Losing a game because my teammates are sabotaging the match due to actively screwing around because they're goosey mouthbreathers is infuriating.
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Friggin MM gave me that kind of team for a Vs AI game I was doing to fiddle with Tyrande. We had one non support (Tychus) and he was actively AFKing the whole time. Like coming back, going limp, DCing, coming back so you basically couldnt get any AI out of him.
It was so painful. We played our hearts out but we could NOT push anything. It was a 30 minute level 25 vs AI game when I had like 30 minutes of free time.
I think we had kara malf tyr and tass. Problem was I wanted to test some healing build for Tyr so I was downright useless on a push other than not dieing.
Tyrande can be built for auto attack damage or burst damage. AA isn't terrible but is still bursty (she can gain good attack speed during the hunters mark which adds to the vuln). The regular bust would be like buffing up the stuns damage, owl damage, and taking the extra auto damage every 10 seconds thing. Landing the stun with its 50% damage increase right as you land hunters mark, a boosted auto, and a solid Owl is going to be like 1200+ damage late game. Thats.... ok.
See man, thing is, you not just take it too seriously, but you also don't want help.
I asked to team up with you once but you declined because that means we'll also be playing vs a 2-man team and they'll be more coordinated than us so it's not worth it.
That defeatist attitude ALONE will ensure your failure most of the time, even in cases where you should win.
Mentality is a huge, HUGE part of competitive play.
So, stop playing HL so damn much because it means nothing. You don't want to waste your time? You're playing a friggin' video game.
QM with us and lets collect many nerd tears.
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Prolly Nazeebo over Aba. Unless you go Locust Aba tunnel there and drop a wad of locusts.
I've done 5 supports before. I don't remember which 5 we used specifically. But I can tell you that no matter which 5 you pick, Malf will be your top DPS by the time you get to 16. The problem is surviving long enough to get to 16.
Pretty sure when I did 5 supports we had lost the game by around level 12.
We clocked it at 8 secs if I recall when we were lv 16.
Whoa, Hammer+Abathur, Gaz, Azmo, Murky?
Sylv, Hammer, Aba, murky, and I THINK Zagara?
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The issue with supports is you just CANNOT push a lane, nor can you win a fight. So no matter how much they cannot stop you from advancing you will never get a damn tower down, you will engage in never ending fights over objectives until they realize they are just as likely to survive 4v5 and go push a lane hard.
That is why I think Tyr would kind of benefit from being your only source of burst. You kind of would need to perfectly coordinate her stun with a mark, and kill someone every ~12ish seconds like that. Cause its the only way you could ever bring someone down.
Is it not just like, possible to play the game not as seriously?
Like just kind of log in, play, and not give a shit?
I don't really understand how... It seems like it wouldn't be fun and you'd lose a lot.
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Despite my occasional dumb teammates (it honestly doesnt happen much) I find the game a lot of fun. When your team is on point and you just start steamrolling, when youre hitting multi-hero combos without muttering a single word to complete strangers, when you make that impossible comeback, its just incredibly rewarding.
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I am quite competitive, but I do not take losses so bad that I would need to stop playing the game.
It is possible to play to win while not taking every loss as a punch to the nuts. It's not so much the attitude in the game as it is the attitude after. I will fight my ass off all game no matter how bad it can get, but if I lose (stupid reasons or no) I am already thinking about the next one. I don't bother to let that taste stick around in my mouth any longer than it has to (however I do not forget the actual game, and WILL still learn from any mistakes).
Though in the end, I was mostly referring to the fact that if playing seriously makes you want to quit, then maybe try playing not seriously if you cannot handle being serious.
I am quite competitive, but I do not take losses so bad that I would need to stop playing the game.
Knight was more complaining about the same stuff as I was - it's no fun to play when your teammates throw the game either intentionally or through sheer, inexcusable stupidity.
When I started playing hots losses bothered me, but I'm long past that. I'll take hard fought losses all day long but losing because split pushing raynor never comes to the team fight until we all die and then he rushes in 1v5?
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Thats what I am talking about though. I play my hardest then move on. One time I even chewed a guy out when he told us he was throwing the game because of a single bad play by a Valla (who ended up way better later) and actively fed as we came back and almost won. As soon as the game was over, I told my story here and that was that. It did not ruin my enjoyment of the game.
It's just a thing you need to be able to get past. HL rating is just a neat little number to show off on your portrait. In the end, your games will be just as fun if you are rank 5 as they are when you are rank 40. Especially if you just queue up QM with some PAers.
If anything, the current rank you helped me shoot up to gives a false impression that I am better than I really am IMO.
I still have to get 2 more levels before I can do HL which I'm looking forward to. I need to pick up one more hero by then as well. I've got 3 support (Malf, Tyrande, Uther), 2 tanks (Muradin and Diablo which was given for having Diablo 3), and 4 assassins (Illidan, Raynor, Valla, and Kael'Thas).
Should I pick up a specialist (probably Sgt Hammer or Sylvanus) or should I pick up a reliable 2nd tank (Johanna probably)?
Granted my HL experience is fairly limited, but I think you're definitely good with support and probably with assassins. Some specialist options would be nice, but I'd definitely either pick up Leoric or Johanna as another tank first for the reasons already stated. If you do want to go specialist, Nazeebo seems to be the strongest out there right now, although zag and sylvanus are both almost guaranteed top picks on certain maps.
Is it not just like, possible to play the game not as seriously?
Like just kind of log in, play, and not give a shit?
I don't really understand how... It seems like it wouldn't be fun and you'd lose a lot.
I don't really do HL these days because I'm focusing on filling bars and leveling chars for sweet master skins.
So I pretty much play for fun and don't take it seriously, and it's just fine. I certainly don't go on tilt like Knight and others have described. I save that for Hearthstone.
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Hyper competitive is not mutually exclusive with not freaking out over things you can't control.
The game has feeders. The game has sore losers 1 min into the game. The game has some of the most toxic shitholes of any online game genre. It happens. It's part of the game.
If coming across those things makes you want to rage out, then maybe a MOBA ain't your thang?
@Knight_ , you're not new to the game. I don't get why suddenly coming across this was the straw? I mean, you're known for raging hardcore every single day about the game... but to quit? I dunno.
I still have to get 2 more levels before I can do HL which I'm looking forward to. I need to pick up one more hero by then as well. I've got 3 support (Malf, Tyrande, Uther), 2 tanks (Muradin and Diablo which was given for having Diablo 3), and 4 assassins (Illidan, Raynor, Valla, and Kael'Thas).
Should I pick up a specialist (probably Sgt Hammer or Sylvanus) or should I pick up a reliable 2nd tank (Johanna probably)?
Granted my HL experience is fairly limited, but I think you're definitely good with support and probably with assassins. Some specialist options would be nice, but I'd definitely either pick up Leoric or Johanna as another tank first for the reasons already stated. If you do want to go specialist, Nazeebo seems to be the strongest out there right now, although zag and sylvanus are both almost guaranteed top picks on certain maps.
Want to third this notion. Specialists are pretty much never NEEDED though some of them on specific maps can give an advantage. But you will almost always need a hard initiate in any comp you are going to be making in HL, and Diablo is just not good enough right now to be your only option if you are forced to Warrior and Mura is taken.
Jo is likely the safe pick to purchase, as Leo is going to be likely changed soon so we will not know where he stands. If you wanted a cheaper option, Anub is still ok. But Jo is the best overall choice as shes easilly second to Leo, solid in just about any comp, and relatively easy and enjoyable to play.
Whenever I get a string of games with shithead players, I just switch to D3 for awhile where I know my teammates (Kormac, Lyndon, and Eirena) will lovingly and faithfully follow and support to the deepest depths of hell.
Then once I've had long enough break, I come back to HotS and play some more games.
I don't seem to have the same amount problems a lot of people run into, though. I rarely, if ever, get a lot of games back to back that are just horrible because my teammates were total derps. My experience is usually pretty good overall, and I'm nearing 3K games played in both QM and HL (combined).
Hyper competitive is not mutually exclusive with not freaking out over things you can't control.
The game has feeders. The game has sore losers 1 min into the game. The game has some of the most toxic shitholes of any online game genre. It happens. It's part of the game.
If coming across those things makes you want to rage out, then maybe a MOBA ain't your thang?
@Knight_ , you're not new to the game. I don't get why suddenly coming across this was the straw? I mean, you're known for raging hardcore every single day about the game... but to quit? I dunno.
Because the MM has never been this bad. I've never had problems like my last month in over a year of 95% solo queueing. And some of the problems like AFKs totally ruining a significant chunk of my games still haven't been fixed by blizzard which are beginning to drive me totally insane.
It was mostly getting a leaver penalty for blizzard's terrible reconnect system and horrible isp that pushed me over the edge though.
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Not just in Knight's case, but the whole afker or leaver thing is also 100% avoidable by always queueing up with PAers.
I mean yeah sometimes your play time is not accomodating and you might have to wait idly for their game to finish to jump in, but those are the kind of things I would think one would be willing to do if MM is being completely harsh on you and you absolutely cannot play under those conditions.
I have like a 2 hourish spot of play time that can and often is riddled with kids waking up / not going to sleep issues and I still manage to get plenty of games in with various bro/ettes from here. So it is not THAT hard to do.
How is it the MM's fault? It can't tell these people are assholes/leavers/feeders/etc unless you report them. But in many cases the stuff they do isn't a reportable issue.
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Hyper competitive is not mutually exclusive with not freaking out over things you can't control.
The game has feeders. The game has sore losers 1 min into the game. The game has some of the most toxic shitholes of any online game genre. It happens. It's part of the game.
If coming across those things makes you want to rage out, then maybe a MOBA ain't your thang?
@Knight_ , you're not new to the game. I don't get why suddenly coming across this was the straw? I mean, you're known for raging hardcore every single day about the game... but to quit? I dunno.
Because the MM has never been this bad. I've never had problems like my last month in over a year of 95% solo queueing. And some of the problems like AFKs totally ruining a significant chunk of my games still haven't been fixed by blizzard which are beginning to drive me totally insane.
It was mostly getting a leaver penalty for blizzard's terrible reconnect system and horrible isp that pushed me over the edge though.
So you're on tilt.
It's always been as bad as it is now, but your perception is off. Come on, every day you're in here flipping out about some bad player or some feeder or some terrible build. Every. day.
Step back and think about it. It's always been the same.
Thats what I am talking about though. I play my hardest then move on. One time I even chewed a guy out when he told us he was throwing the game because of a single bad play by a Valla (who ended up way better later) and actively fed as we came back and almost won. As soon as the game was over, I told my story here and that was that. It did not ruin my enjoyment of the game.
Have you never had 4 games in a row where multiple of your teammates were terrible, and unlike Valla, never got better?
I get the feeling that some folks here have just gotten luckier with their teammate matchups so they don't understand. Over the past week things have been fine for me - I even played on the weekend, though the only HL I did was when grouped. Things were cool. Doesn't mean my teammates were always good, but they weren't absolutely horrible. And thus I haven't complained about them. But a couple people over the past week have piped up about getting stuck with toxic feeders game after game, so I guess the luck got passed on to them. I guess mostly: The phenomenon is real. Be happy if it doesn't afflict you.
Thats what I am talking about though. I play my hardest then move on. One time I even chewed a guy out when he told us he was throwing the game because of a single bad play by a Valla (who ended up way better later) and actively fed as we came back and almost won. As soon as the game was over, I told my story here and that was that. It did not ruin my enjoyment of the game.
Have you never had 4 games in a row where multiple of your teammates were terrible, and unlike Valla, never got better?
I get the feeling that some folks here have just gotten luckier with their teammate matchups so they don't understand. Over the past week things have been fine for me - I even played on the weekend, though the only HL I did was when grouped. Things were cool. Doesn't mean my teammates were always good, but they weren't absolutely horrible. And thus I haven't complained about them. But a couple people over the past week have piped up about getting stuck with toxic feeders game after game, so I guess the luck got passed on to them. I guess mostly: The phenomenon is real. Be happy if it doesn't afflict you.
Report and move on.
I've had plenty of matches where it was over in the first few minutes because of an afker or a feeder or a troll.
The point isn't that it doesn't happen, the point is that it's part of the game and you need to be able to accept it. Or don't. And it happens anyway and you lose your shit every time.
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We were talking about hero skins a few pages back, so it was on my mind as I was playing recently. I came to a realization that I forget the "source" of the hero really fast. When I started playing Raynor, he was "from Starcraft", but now he's very much a "HotS character" in my mind. His lore has been replaced with my history with the character ("Remember that time when I was split-pushing and... ?"). So different skins (such as the Desert Queen for Zagara) don't trigger anything aberrant in my mind. But I know that's a bit unusual.
Tiny off-topic rant:
You might not be surprised to hear that because of this I have a huge peeve about lore that depends on the lore from another work. From my signature you might rightly guess I like board games. But I am just en-nerd-raged when somebody says, "Oh, this game is more fun if you've watched this show/movie." No, you don't get to do that. Either you bring in the existing story or you tell a new story. You don't get to just expect that a pre-existing story will jump the reader over the flaws and weaknesses in your game. Replace "game" with "movie/book sequel" and you can see why many pop culture discussions turn into arguments when I'm around. Heh.
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Thats what I am talking about though. I play my hardest then move on. One time I even chewed a guy out when he told us he was throwing the game because of a single bad play by a Valla (who ended up way better later) and actively fed as we came back and almost won. As soon as the game was over, I told my story here and that was that. It did not ruin my enjoyment of the game.
Have you never had 4 games in a row where multiple of your teammates were terrible, and unlike Valla, never got better?
I get the feeling that some folks here have just gotten luckier with their teammate matchups so they don't understand. Over the past week things have been fine for me - I even played on the weekend, though the only HL I did was when grouped. Things were cool. Doesn't mean my teammates were always good, but they weren't absolutely horrible. And thus I haven't complained about them. But a couple people over the past week have piped up about getting stuck with toxic feeders game after game, so I guess the luck got passed on to them. I guess mostly: The phenomenon is real. Be happy if it doesn't afflict you.
I've definitely had streaks of bad games/bad teammates. It's never going to go away even with an awesome MM system. If those streaks ruin the game for someone, so be it I guess.
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ANy chance those people have been getting reported and put into a abusers queue?
Probably often the case.
I have a friend who plays a lot of MOBAs but I've never played with him. I was at his place and be was playing and was acting like the most toxic shitbag around. Did he ever tell me he acts this way whenever he complained to me about matchmaking or bad players? Of course not.
My point, there are two sides to every story. His side was that people suck and the matchmaking is garbage. Watching him play, he was probably in a special queue for assholes or something.
Hyper competitive is not mutually exclusive with not freaking out over things you can't control.
The game has feeders. The game has sore losers 1 min into the game. The game has some of the most toxic shitholes of any online game genre. It happens. It's part of the game.
If coming across those things makes you want to rage out, then maybe a MOBA ain't your thang?
, you're not new to the game. I don't get why suddenly coming across this was the straw? I mean, you're known for raging hardcore every single day about the game... but to quit? I dunno.
Because the MM has never been this bad. I've never had problems like my last month in over a year of 95% solo queueing. And some of the problems like AFKs totally ruining a significant chunk of my games still haven't been fixed by blizzard which are beginning to drive me totally insane.
It was mostly getting a leaver penalty for blizzard's terrible reconnect system and horrible isp that pushed me over the edge though.
So you're on tilt.
It's always been as bad as it is now, but your perception is off. Come on, every day you're in here flipping out about some bad player or some feeder or some terrible build. Every. day.
Step back and think about it. It's always been the same.
No, looking at my MM and record, it's objectively worse. MMR in my games is all over the map and this month I've had more 7+ loss streaks (4!) than I've ever had. Two this week even.
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Thats what I am talking about though. I play my hardest then move on. One time I even chewed a guy out when he told us he was throwing the game because of a single bad play by a Valla (who ended up way better later) and actively fed as we came back and almost won. As soon as the game was over, I told my story here and that was that. It did not ruin my enjoyment of the game.
Have you never had 4 games in a row where multiple of your teammates were terrible, and unlike Valla, never got better?
I get the feeling that some folks here have just gotten luckier with their teammate matchups so they don't understand. Over the past week things have been fine for me - I even played on the weekend, though the only HL I did was when grouped. Things were cool. Doesn't mean my teammates were always good, but they weren't absolutely horrible. And thus I haven't complained about them. But a couple people over the past week have piped up about getting stuck with toxic feeders game after game, so I guess the luck got passed on to them. I guess mostly: The phenomenon is real. Be happy if it doesn't afflict you.
While I never kept count, I have had strings yes.
The difference is though, you have and still do handle this situation fine. At the worst you came in and had constructive criticism and ideas on how to AVOID it. And when given a suggestion on how to fix it you tried the suggestion (and it actually worked for you) instead of fought it.
Big difference there. That is kind of all we are talking about, the attitude about it.
Hyper competitive is not mutually exclusive with not freaking out over things you can't control.
The game has feeders. The game has sore losers 1 min into the game. The game has some of the most toxic shitholes of any online game genre. It happens. It's part of the game.
If coming across those things makes you want to rage out, then maybe a MOBA ain't your thang?
, you're not new to the game. I don't get why suddenly coming across this was the straw? I mean, you're known for raging hardcore every single day about the game... but to quit? I dunno.
Because the MM has never been this bad. I've never had problems like my last month in over a year of 95% solo queueing. And some of the problems like AFKs totally ruining a significant chunk of my games still haven't been fixed by blizzard which are beginning to drive me totally insane.
It was mostly getting a leaver penalty for blizzard's terrible reconnect system and horrible isp that pushed me over the edge though.
So you're on tilt.
It's always been as bad as it is now, but your perception is off. Come on, every day you're in here flipping out about some bad player or some feeder or some terrible build. Every. day.
Step back and think about it. It's always been the same.
No, looking at my MM and record, it's objectively worse. MMR in my games is all over the map and this month I've had more 7+ loss streaks (4!) than I've ever had. Two this week even.
Could it be possible you got reported by past allies and are in that crappy realm of getting grouped with folk who rage quit / feed, etc?
I know they said this was a thing and I don't think there's any flag to tell you you're in the toxic pool.
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i'd say 90% of people who show illidan right when a draft starts are going to be this person. he's got such specific requirements that you're just so likely to get hard countered.
There's nothing more satisfying than someone running away with a sliver of health and seeing their death pop up three seconds later.
Went from 9 to 13 in a single night because people don't know how to draft and don't understand how not to throw.
Like just kind of log in, play, and not give a shit?
^ this
I mean tbh it's the reason I like Heroes? I feel like you can play it more easily as a filthy casual than other MOBAS and if you do, you have a lot more fun.
Y'know, pull stupid shit like all Supports or all Specialists.
Speaking of all Support, my current thought on an ideal All Support team is something like:
Khazarim: as Assassin
LiLi: Assassin
Uther: Tank
Malfurion: Specialist
Rehgar: Tank, maybe?
You could switch out somebody for a weird specialist Brightwing or Tassadar, with Brightwing focused on Polymorph and Tass focused on Vision, force wall, and psychic storm for minion clears. I don't know enough about Tyrande to know where she'd fit.
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Losing a game because my teammates are sabotaging the match due to actively screwing around because they're goosey mouthbreathers is infuriating.
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It was so painful. We played our hearts out but we could NOT push anything. It was a 30 minute level 25 vs AI game when I had like 30 minutes of free time.
I think we had kara malf tyr and tass. Problem was I wanted to test some healing build for Tyr so I was downright useless on a push other than not dieing.
Tyrande can be built for auto attack damage or burst damage. AA isn't terrible but is still bursty (she can gain good attack speed during the hunters mark which adds to the vuln). The regular bust would be like buffing up the stuns damage, owl damage, and taking the extra auto damage every 10 seconds thing. Landing the stun with its 50% damage increase right as you land hunters mark, a boosted auto, and a solid Owl is going to be like 1200+ damage late game. Thats.... ok.
All specialist team isn't stupid. 90% of the time we did we completely WRECKED the enemy.
Like, 5-man premades and we just destroyed them.
You can also take a boss in under 10 secs if you're all specialists.
We clocked it at 8 secs if I recall when we were lv 16.
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Whoa, Hammer+Abathur, Gaz, Azmo, Murky?
See man, thing is, you not just take it too seriously, but you also don't want help.
I asked to team up with you once but you declined because that means we'll also be playing vs a 2-man team and they'll be more coordinated than us so it's not worth it.
That defeatist attitude ALONE will ensure your failure most of the time, even in cases where you should win.
Mentality is a huge, HUGE part of competitive play.
So, stop playing HL so damn much because it means nothing. You don't want to waste your time? You're playing a friggin' video game.
QM with us and lets collect many nerd tears.
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Pretty sure when I did 5 supports we had lost the game by around level 12.
Sylv, Hammer, Aba, murky, and I THINK Zagara?
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That is why I think Tyr would kind of benefit from being your only source of burst. You kind of would need to perfectly coordinate her stun with a mark, and kill someone every ~12ish seconds like that. Cause its the only way you could ever bring someone down.
I don't really understand how... It seems like it wouldn't be fun and you'd lose a lot.
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It is possible to play to win while not taking every loss as a punch to the nuts. It's not so much the attitude in the game as it is the attitude after. I will fight my ass off all game no matter how bad it can get, but if I lose (stupid reasons or no) I am already thinking about the next one. I don't bother to let that taste stick around in my mouth any longer than it has to (however I do not forget the actual game, and WILL still learn from any mistakes).
Though in the end, I was mostly referring to the fact that if playing seriously makes you want to quit, then maybe try playing not seriously if you cannot handle being serious.
Otherwise you're playing a pick up game with strangers and it'll be treated about as seriously as that.
Knight was more complaining about the same stuff as I was - it's no fun to play when your teammates throw the game either intentionally or through sheer, inexcusable stupidity.
When I started playing hots losses bothered me, but I'm long past that. I'll take hard fought losses all day long but losing because split pushing raynor never comes to the team fight until we all die and then he rushes in 1v5?
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It's just a thing you need to be able to get past. HL rating is just a neat little number to show off on your portrait. In the end, your games will be just as fun if you are rank 5 as they are when you are rank 40. Especially if you just queue up QM with some PAers.
If anything, the current rank you helped me shoot up to gives a false impression that I am better than I really am IMO.
Granted my HL experience is fairly limited, but I think you're definitely good with support and probably with assassins. Some specialist options would be nice, but I'd definitely either pick up Leoric or Johanna as another tank first for the reasons already stated. If you do want to go specialist, Nazeebo seems to be the strongest out there right now, although zag and sylvanus are both almost guaranteed top picks on certain maps.
I don't really do HL these days because I'm focusing on filling bars and leveling chars for sweet master skins.
So I pretty much play for fun and don't take it seriously, and it's just fine. I certainly don't go on tilt like Knight and others have described. I save that for Hearthstone.
The game has feeders. The game has sore losers 1 min into the game. The game has some of the most toxic shitholes of any online game genre. It happens. It's part of the game.
If coming across those things makes you want to rage out, then maybe a MOBA ain't your thang?
@Knight_ , you're not new to the game. I don't get why suddenly coming across this was the straw? I mean, you're known for raging hardcore every single day about the game... but to quit? I dunno.
Want to third this notion. Specialists are pretty much never NEEDED though some of them on specific maps can give an advantage. But you will almost always need a hard initiate in any comp you are going to be making in HL, and Diablo is just not good enough right now to be your only option if you are forced to Warrior and Mura is taken.
Jo is likely the safe pick to purchase, as Leo is going to be likely changed soon so we will not know where he stands. If you wanted a cheaper option, Anub is still ok. But Jo is the best overall choice as shes easilly second to Leo, solid in just about any comp, and relatively easy and enjoyable to play.
Then once I've had long enough break, I come back to HotS and play some more games.
I don't seem to have the same amount problems a lot of people run into, though. I rarely, if ever, get a lot of games back to back that are just horrible because my teammates were total derps. My experience is usually pretty good overall, and I'm nearing 3K games played in both QM and HL (combined).
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Because the MM has never been this bad. I've never had problems like my last month in over a year of 95% solo queueing. And some of the problems like AFKs totally ruining a significant chunk of my games still haven't been fixed by blizzard which are beginning to drive me totally insane.
It was mostly getting a leaver penalty for blizzard's terrible reconnect system and horrible isp that pushed me over the edge though.
I mean yeah sometimes your play time is not accomodating and you might have to wait idly for their game to finish to jump in, but those are the kind of things I would think one would be willing to do if MM is being completely harsh on you and you absolutely cannot play under those conditions.
I have like a 2 hourish spot of play time that can and often is riddled with kids waking up / not going to sleep issues and I still manage to get plenty of games in with various bro/ettes from here. So it is not THAT hard to do.
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So you're on tilt.
It's always been as bad as it is now, but your perception is off. Come on, every day you're in here flipping out about some bad player or some feeder or some terrible build. Every. day.
Step back and think about it. It's always been the same.
Have you never had 4 games in a row where multiple of your teammates were terrible, and unlike Valla, never got better?
I get the feeling that some folks here have just gotten luckier with their teammate matchups so they don't understand. Over the past week things have been fine for me - I even played on the weekend, though the only HL I did was when grouped. Things were cool. Doesn't mean my teammates were always good, but they weren't absolutely horrible. And thus I haven't complained about them. But a couple people over the past week have piped up about getting stuck with toxic feeders game after game, so I guess the luck got passed on to them. I guess mostly: The phenomenon is real. Be happy if it doesn't afflict you.
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Report and move on.
I've had plenty of matches where it was over in the first few minutes because of an afker or a feeder or a troll.
The point isn't that it doesn't happen, the point is that it's part of the game and you need to be able to accept it. Or don't. And it happens anyway and you lose your shit every time.
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I've definitely had streaks of bad games/bad teammates. It's never going to go away even with an awesome MM system. If those streaks ruin the game for someone, so be it I guess.
Probably often the case.
I have a friend who plays a lot of MOBAs but I've never played with him. I was at his place and be was playing and was acting like the most toxic shitbag around. Did he ever tell me he acts this way whenever he complained to me about matchmaking or bad players? Of course not.
My point, there are two sides to every story. His side was that people suck and the matchmaking is garbage. Watching him play, he was probably in a special queue for assholes or something.
This was LOL.
No, looking at my MM and record, it's objectively worse. MMR in my games is all over the map and this month I've had more 7+ loss streaks (4!) than I've ever had. Two this week even.
While I never kept count, I have had strings yes.
The difference is though, you have and still do handle this situation fine. At the worst you came in and had constructive criticism and ideas on how to AVOID it. And when given a suggestion on how to fix it you tried the suggestion (and it actually worked for you) instead of fought it.
Big difference there. That is kind of all we are talking about, the attitude about it.
Could it be possible you got reported by past allies and are in that crappy realm of getting grouped with folk who rage quit / feed, etc?
I know they said this was a thing and I don't think there's any flag to tell you you're in the toxic pool.
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