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Ketherial
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i recently received the offer for a free update from windows 7 to windows 10. i was thinking about accepting, but then i started to read reviews that there are ads all over the place, that it sucks up bandwidth and does all sorts of things in the background that i may not like.
i am a very private person and i run a very lean pc. i hate it when programs hijack my cpu or use my personal information to sell me things. i want to know if this is really a serious problem on windows 10 or if some of these reviews i've read are just from petty people. additionally, i'd love to know if there are ways to adjust settings so that i can maintain strict control over my pc and my personal information.
does anyone have windows 10 and if so, would they mind sharing some relevant experiences? i would especially be interested in differences between windows 7 and 10, but obviously any discussion is welcome.
i am a very private person and i run a very lean pc. i hate it when programs hijack my cpu or use my personal information to sell me things. i want to know if this is really a serious problem on windows 10 or if some of these reviews i've read are just from petty people. additionally, i'd love to know if there are ways to adjust settings so that i can maintain strict control over my pc and my personal information.
does anyone have windows 10 and if so, would they mind sharing some relevant experiences? i would especially be interested in differences between windows 7 and 10, but obviously any discussion is welcome.
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You have an entire year to decide whether or not to accept the free upgrade so if I were you I would just wait and take stock in the state of Windows 10 after a year, see if there are any major issues with it, if MS backtracks on some of the policies they're instituting, if people discover it's worse than we think, etc.
If you're happy with your OS and its speed and all, there's no reason to upgrade any earlier than you have to.
will probably wait a bit at least, but i hate having it sit there. wish i could just make a decision now and cross one more thing off my to-do list.
It doesn't suck up bandwidth. It will download and auto-install updates, like Windows used to do before, but this time it's mandatory. You can't really choose when to download and update. If bandwidth is a concern, there's an option to set up Metered Connections.
Privacy issues, not really. Everything like that is opt-in (if you're concerned, don't pick Express Settings when installing). The sharing of WiFi networks is misunderstood and overblown, and you need to opt-in for that anyway.
Go ahead and upgrade, see if you like it. You can always roll back to Windows 7 from the Win 10 settings. And that way it will secure and register your copy of 10 for the future.
all of that is in the options to install.
as long as you don't blindly accept the default install options you can change everysingle thing you mention
The privacy nightmare with 10 is probably going to keep people away, too, regardless of its status as free to most people.
Hardly luddite behavior.
Its literally a three step process to turn the update sharing feature off. It took about 10 seconds.
I have it on my Surface 3 Pro, and it seems like it kept the good stuff from 8 while returning the good stuff from 7, and integrated Cortana in some nifty ways.
Then again, I'm one of 7 people on earth who has a Windows Phone, so I may be an outlier.
It was a tablet interface replacing the start menu and otherwise difficult to tell apart from 7.
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ha no it won't
He didn't say everyone, he just said people. Which is accurate. It's keeping me away at the moment, I'm sure while there's much we can turn off there are bound to be things embedded more deeply that we can't.
Some of it is probably fearmongering, some of it is possibly legit. All that matters is that we have a year to decide if we want it free or not, and can wait with no real consequences.
There is an option to downgrade back to original OS right in the Updates screen. Not sure if it works with 7 but it did with 8. So try it out if it does... if you dont like it downgrade back.
To me the anti-orwellian argument is null in this day and age. Apple, Microsoft, Google... they all do it and they all make you opt out. If it is important enough for you to care about it then you will find the settings.
Note: I had no problem with 8 Tile interface. I actually got around that faster than the start menu because of the better search in 8 over 7, of which 10 is a jump over 8, and tile organizing is just plain easier to use. And, honestly, who doesnt pin to taskbar these days? Really....
Its an argument that's so stupid that you literally cant use it on any other subject without sounding like a dolt, so that's good grounds to think maybe its not a good argument to have when it comes to companies invading your privacy at what is the deepest roots of your digital life.
There was also the tablet like apps being separate from your desktop. That was a huge issue for multi-taskers. That's thankfully fixed in 10.
Its fine. I realize it is a hot topic for a lot of people. For me I think if they want to look into my boring ass life... well go ahead heh. But the argument is sound it is just contradictory to yours. It is apathetic sure but it is still a valid argument to have. The options are there to disable it so if it is important to you just do it. I didn't necessarily say it was stupid to be worried about it I said if you want to disable it you will find out how anyways. Again I see it is important to you but spare me the spoilered part. It is obvious it means what it means.
There needs to be instructions on this as it seems like while some things are options in the install, others are not, and it IS hard to find the settings.
I am on the cusp of updating, as I have some outside need to therefore I cannot sit and wait. But I am afraid of everything I am hearing. There is even issues that sometimes come up with trying to go back to your old OS. Some people cannot do this successfully (though I hear creating a restore point before you upgrade works).
For me that's a fine trade (especially since, who looks at ads?). It's the same trade I made with google to have a free google apps domain, etc
Anger at the message doesn't mean theres anger with the messenger, but you're free to think what you want.
But if you pay for it you get the same thing?
I'd gladly pay for a copy without all the phoning home and the creepy license that allows them to disable software on your machine etc.
you click on settings
then you click on privacy
it defaults to the general tab where you can immediately turn off 4 privacy options and then click "mange my microsoft advertising and other personalization info" and then turn off 2 more things through a browser
It's like.. 2 clicks and not hidden at all
Do you really not understand why some people are put off by these things being on by default in the first place?
It's 2015, its getting tracked anyway. Just take a second to turn it off.
Dude, no offense, but you are on the internet. You have no privacy. Everything you've ever done with telecommunications since the late 1970s has been recorded and saved by them. This isn't crazy conspiracy stuff either. My dad worked on the database design for AT&T that was originally used to track all this stuff. It started out as a way to prevent people from cheating on long distance phone calls, and just kept expanding from there.
any time a program takes the decisions out of a users hands, it annoys me. i understand the decision to make updates mandatory in order to guarantee safety and security, but i do not appreciate my computer doing things i do not want it to do.
That's another subject entirely. I was replying to the idea that sharing our data is a payment for getting Windows 10 free. It's not, because you can buy it on its own, and it still includes all the same stuff.
And what I'm telling you is that all of that data has been shared and stored since the 1970s, its just that now you actually know about it.
Windows Vista secretly seeded updates in the background to other users? Windows XP had a license clause that allowed them to remotely disable software on your machine?
All this stuff that people are telling others to turn off in Windows setup was on by default in all previous Windows versions, and we didn't know about it?
Come on.
To put it another way, all these extra open doors into your OS for privacy destroying shit and ad delievering? I cant imagine its hard for people even less reputable than Microsoft to exploit them.
it doesn't secretly seed updates? by default it seeds updates to other users on your home network, which can be turned off, or you can flip it to seed updates to everyone in the world
but yes, seeeecreeets
I don't think I could properly put into words how much I dislike this point of view.
"It's been happening for a while" isn't really a great defense of something.
Although it's really easy to remove it. Honestly, the UI upgrade is pretty great, and I really do like hitting the windows key and typing my program, though of course you can do that with apps in older versions and such.
As for the privacy stuff, definitely turn it off. It's not that hard to do, especially if you do it during installation. There are still a few things left, but if you go to google and throw "windows 10 privacy" in there or anything similar, you'll get 100 very detailed guides on how to turn EVERYTHING you don't want off. It's DX12 compatible, has a smaller footprint than previous versions, and seems fairly bug free in comparison to other OS launches. I'd recommend it in general, but turn that weird stuff off.
Oh, and make a local account, not a Microsoft account if you're concerned. Can't use Cortana that way, but meh. Also, you can roll back to your old OS after you upgrade if you end up hating it. There's a button somewhere that lets you do that for the first 30 days. Otherwise your hard drive will free up some space after that deleting the old OS.
edit: And if you're really really really concerned, just wait a few more months and there will be a bunch of tools to do it automatically or even easier guides. Or microsoft will remove stuff after the backlash, but probably not. There's no games that really take advantage of DX12 as of yet as far as I know, although I did get a performance boost on my machine with Skyrim.
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I wish I could find out why the reservation for my primary desktop hasn't popped yet (or, at least have an estimated reservation fulfillment date). Primary has been reserved about a day after the "Get Windows 10" button showed up...but my guest desktop got upgraded yesterday after being reserved for a hair over two weeks (and my failing laptop also got the upgrade option three weeks ago).
Because what the actual fuck.
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