Yeah, but apparently everyone needs to be making dumbfuck Arbys jokes instead of commenting on this huge piece of news.
Look, any commentary we could provide on this discovery is going to be either total nonsense, or derivative of what much more informed news sources and scientists have to say. We're merely trying to find some identification, some personal stake, in a matter that is so far beyond any of our personal lives that it might as well be science fiction. We care about this in the abstract, because the abstract is the only way we will ever experience any of it.
So what I'm saying is, please enjoy Arby's.
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BeastehTHAT WOULD NOTKILL DRACULARegistered Userregular
does the mars rover have the means to detect microbes?
it seems like for a while they've had to hold their tongue about the probability of microscopic life on Mars, but it seems like conditions are favorable now especially with signs of water at or very near the surface
I am obviously excited about Mars oceans, lakes, and rivers
just hoping the water isn't toxic beyond repair
so I'm not going to get too excited until that's sorted out
and then there is dealing with the insane sandstorms that will fuck shit up
going to keep my optimism distant through jokes and sarcasm if that doesn't hurt anyone
I heard on the radio the other day that while yes Martian sandstorms blow at really high wind speeds, due to the low gravity you wouldn't really be fucked up all that bad by them
water on mars could potentially mean life on mars which potentially means potentially entirely new species of potential microbes that we could potentially have sex with
Water on mars means that once a ship gets to mars with the equipment, you can turn water into hydrogen, which gives you the ability to make more fuel to return or go further.
Also, water on mars means that you dont need to bring water to mars to create a habitat (trees/plants) that can be used to supply unlimited oxygen to people living on the planet.
Also, water is where life comes from. underground water on mars means microbes and organisms could still be alive under the surface.
But can we even use this running water without having some sort of 2010 scenario
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If Mars has water, haven't we possibly already helped seed life there? If there are conditions where microbiological life can survive on the planet, wouldn't the rovers and such we have sent up there possibly have something? Or even picked up something on the way that could have found its way to water?
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#pipeCocky Stride, Musky odoursPope of Chili TownRegistered Userregular
If Mars has water, haven't we possibly already helped seed life there? If there are conditions where microbiological life can survive on the planet, wouldn't the rovers and such we have sent up there possibly have something? Or even picked up something on the way that could have found its way to water?
yes.
But contamination should be pretty easy to eliminate.
#pipeCocky Stride, Musky odoursPope of Chili TownRegistered Userregular
Water is super important, and not only because of the increased chance of finding life.
As mentioned a couple of times in this thread, it also makes it easier to set up sustainable habitats on the surface, providing a fairly simple source of energy as well as water for growing food etc
There's also the possibility of life that isn't carbon-based, which wouldn't necessarily be predicated by the existence of water. Of course, I'm not sure we'd know how to identify non-carbon-based microbes if we found any, since I believe our way of determining whether something is alive or not assumes it's carbon-based. We have no idea how a nitrogen-based life form would look, act, taste, smell or touch.
There's also the possibility of life that isn't carbon-based, which wouldn't necessarily be predicated by the existence of water. Of course, I'm not sure we'd know how to identify non-carbon-based microbes if we found any, since I believe our way of determining whether something is alive or not assumes it's carbon-based. We have no idea how a nitrogen-based life form would look, act, taste, smell or touch.
Are you referring to hypothetical life forms which would use liquid nitrogen as a solvent
That wouldn't be possible on Mars
Mars is so earth-like that carbon-based life using water as a solvent seems by far the most likely scenario (if life exists - and we would be able to identify it as life, we might just not look for the right markers)
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BaidolI will hold him offEscape while you canRegistered Userregular
Nitrogen doesn't have the chemical temperament to be the basis of life. Silicon might be worth a look, though.
There's also the possibility of life that isn't carbon-based, which wouldn't necessarily be predicated by the existence of water. Of course, I'm not sure we'd know how to identify non-carbon-based microbes if we found any, since I believe our way of determining whether something is alive or not assumes it's carbon-based. We have no idea how a nitrogen-based life form would look, act, taste, smell or touch.
Are you referring to hypothetical life forms which would use liquid nitrogen as a solvent
That wouldn't be possible on Mars
Mars is so earth-like that carbon-based life using water as a solvent seems by far the most likely scenario (if life exists - and we would be able to identify it as life, we might just not look for the right markers)
Hypothetical life forms, yeah, and not necessarily on Mars. More alluding to that if we did find a lifeform that was based on something other than carbon we may not be able to identify it as life unless it displays overt signs of it.
I can't remember where I saw a video about it, I think it was that James Woods show, Futurescape.
If Mars has water, haven't we possibly already helped seed life there? If there are conditions where microbiological life can survive on the planet, wouldn't the rovers and such we have sent up there possibly have something? Or even picked up something on the way that could have found its way to water?
yes.
But contamination should be pretty easy to eliminate.
This is as good a time as any to note that Planetary Protection Officer is
Water on mars means that once a ship gets to mars with the equipment, you can turn water into hydrogen, which gives you the ability to make more fuel to return or go further.
Also, water on mars means that you dont need to bring water to mars to create a habitat (trees/plants) that can be used to supply unlimited oxygen to people living on the planet.
Also, water is where life comes from. underground water on mars means microbes and organisms could still be alive under the surface.
Edit: Also, the sex thing.
We've known for a while that there is water on Mars, we just didn't know if any of it was liquid or if it was all locked up in the ice caps. There's no evidence yet that life ever happened on Mars, but if it did the presence of natural liquid water makes it more likely that it might still exist.
They outlined the impact of this in the announcement, describing how the perchlorate in the soil will help any future missions being sent to mars. Even describing that we could be able to produce a livable environment on Mars, though that will be a livable indoors environment.
They outlined the impact of this in the announcement, describing how the perchlorate in the soil will help any future missions being sent to mars. Even describing that we could be able to produce a livable environment on Mars, though that will be a livable indoors environment.
I think that's why a lot of the impact of this stuff is lost on me
It's like okay, great, we can make it to Mars, and apparently we can refuel and stuff when we get there
Should we make it to Mars?
The travel necessary to get there and the conditions once you do scream "no" to me
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water on mars could potentially mean life on mars which potentially means potentially entirely new species of potential microbes that we could potentially have sex with
They outlined the impact of this in the announcement, describing how the perchlorate in the soil will help any future missions being sent to mars. Even describing that we could be able to produce a livable environment on Mars, though that will be a livable indoors environment.
I think that's why a lot of the impact of this stuff is lost on me
It's like okay, great, we can make it to Mars, and apparently we can refuel and stuff when we get there
Should we make it to Mars?
The travel necessary to get there and the conditions once you do scream "no" to me
The growing population and decreasing resources scream yes even louder.
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Look, any commentary we could provide on this discovery is going to be either total nonsense, or derivative of what much more informed news sources and scientists have to say. We're merely trying to find some identification, some personal stake, in a matter that is so far beyond any of our personal lives that it might as well be science fiction. We care about this in the abstract, because the abstract is the only way we will ever experience any of it.
So what I'm saying is, please enjoy Arby's.
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just hoping the water isn't toxic beyond repair
so I'm not going to get too excited until that's sorted out
and then there is dealing with the insane sandstorms that will fuck shit up
going to keep my optimism distant through jokes and sarcasm if that doesn't hurt anyone
it seems like for a while they've had to hold their tongue about the probability of microscopic life on Mars, but it seems like conditions are favorable now especially with signs of water at or very near the surface
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I heard on the radio the other day that while yes Martian sandstorms blow at really high wind speeds, due to the low gravity you wouldn't really be fucked up all that bad by them
Which means only the smallest dust grains actually hang in the air
Why is this a big deal
water on mars could potentially mean life on mars which potentially means potentially entirely new species of potential microbes that we could potentially have sex with
Also, water on mars means that you dont need to bring water to mars to create a habitat (trees/plants) that can be used to supply unlimited oxygen to people living on the planet.
Also, water is where life comes from. underground water on mars means microbes and organisms could still be alive under the surface.
Edit: Also, the sex thing.
dunno I got milk in my fridge and fucking nasa never reported on that
this is just water
But can we even use this running water without having some sort of 2010 scenario
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Yes.
the very basic gist is that water is necessary for organic life
Not at all. But science is all about the process of elimination, so any positive indicators are a good thing.
yes.
But contamination should be pretty easy to eliminate.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
As mentioned a couple of times in this thread, it also makes it easier to set up sustainable habitats on the surface, providing a fairly simple source of energy as well as water for growing food etc
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
Are you referring to hypothetical life forms which would use liquid nitrogen as a solvent
That wouldn't be possible on Mars
Mars is so earth-like that carbon-based life using water as a solvent seems by far the most likely scenario (if life exists - and we would be able to identify it as life, we might just not look for the right markers)
Hypothetical life forms, yeah, and not necessarily on Mars. More alluding to that if we did find a lifeform that was based on something other than carbon we may not be able to identify it as life unless it displays overt signs of it.
I can't remember where I saw a video about it, I think it was that James Woods show, Futurescape.
This is as good a time as any to note that Planetary Protection Officer is
heh
Nah, that's when you hit your mid 20s.
If by that you mean religion, I can only hope
We've known for a while that there is water on Mars, we just didn't know if any of it was liquid or if it was all locked up in the ice caps. There's no evidence yet that life ever happened on Mars, but if it did the presence of natural liquid water makes it more likely that it might still exist.
They outlined the impact of this in the announcement, describing how the perchlorate in the soil will help any future missions being sent to mars. Even describing that we could be able to produce a livable environment on Mars, though that will be a livable indoors environment.
got a score to settle
I think that's why a lot of the impact of this stuff is lost on me
It's like okay, great, we can make it to Mars, and apparently we can refuel and stuff when we get there
Should we make it to Mars?
The travel necessary to get there and the conditions once you do scream "no" to me
The growing population and decreasing resources scream yes even louder.