I know you guys won't agree with me on this, and I feel pretty strongly about criticism, so probably best to just drop it.
For what it's worth, SKFM, criticism isn't really for consumers, its for artists.
I think you take it too personally when you like some piece of media and it gets criticized but you really shouldn't care. If you like it you like it, that's OK. The very best artworks humanity has put out can still be criticized. A good artist wants their work criticized.
My whole thing is not liking unfair criticism, which to me means criticizing a work to make a point instead of actually evaluating that work on its own merit. When I have seen tropes used as criticism, it is usually the former, which really bothers me. But I know I have an idiosyncratic view, that stems from feeling like niche works I really like have been unfairly criticized by people who don't even care about those kinds of works. Gamespot's reviews of the Aki n64 wrestling games, Matt Peckham's review of NWN2, etc. have left a real impression on me and have made me very uncomfortable with reviews by people who don't care about the works they review.
Criticism and review are two different things. They overlap sometimes but are not identical.
Also people need to learn that bad things can be entertaining, and good things don't have to be. People put a lot of stock in the idea that enjoying something means it's well made.
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ElldrenIs a woman dammitceterum censeoRegistered Userregular
"We adopt this Resolution before God that He pass us by in His Coming Wrath and not destroy our County as He did Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring cities
"We adopt this Resolution begging His favor in light of the fact that we have been forced to comply and recognize that the State of Tennessee, like so many other God-fearing States, may have fallen prey to a lawless judiciary in legalizing what God and the Bible expressly forbids
"We the Blount County Legislature call upon all of the Officers of the State of Tennessee, the Governor, the Attorney General, and the members of the Tennessee Legislature, to join us, and utilize all authority within their power to protect Natural Marriage, from lawless court opinions."
So the First Amendment is dogshit, and the Second Amendment is sacrosanct. Gotcha.
fucking east tennessee
there's only three things in east tennessee: hillbillies, methheads, and bootleggers
ok ok one thing
fuck gendered marketing
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JacobkoshGamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderatormod
I hate Tv tropes the most of any non-social media website. The whole idea of it is to reduce things to their commonalities no matter how much it results in misunderstanding the individual works. I literally cannot think of a worse way to evaluate media than to say "these ten very different shows used X trope." It doesn't tell toy anything pf value IMO.
Good writing is always deliberate. It's important for authors to know which tropes they are using and why. Thoughtless, unaware trope usage is a major indicator of amateur writing.
This doesn't mean, however, that identifying tropes is some sort of next-level form of media criticism, which is the mistake that tvtropes users and the internet make constantly.
I think Tvtropes explicitly says trope usage is neutral and serves to identify more than critique. Whether the people who link tvtropes do is another matter, but they mostly exist to let people obsessively file things into boxes, not to judge works for their originality.
This.
A trope isn't a negative thing. It's just a thing. Basically it's the modern slang term for "archetype."
The biggest use for a trope as an idea is for critical looks. I can take two films with similar tropes and use the tropes as a basis of comparison, to demonstrate commonality. And that's where you can get into all kinds of fun things. So looking at The Seven Samurai and the Magnificent Seven they both use the trope of a band of warriors defending the poor. But they differ in that the conflict between the villagers and the warriors in The Seven Samurai is about class, and the conflict between the two groups in The Magnificent Seven is about race.
Is a band of warriors defending the poor really that common?
Sure. It's a bit more common if you express it as an outsider or group of outsiders defend the village and has a long and storied tradition going back to Beowulf. If you're just looking for it in film, then off the top of my head:
The Seven Samurai
The Magnificent Seven
Shane
Mad Max 2
Sholay
Quigley Down Under
High Plains Drifter
The Three Amigos
Blazing Saddles
Every DnD adventure
except Fuck Going to Tornado Island, that was more of a Cursed Ground trope
does anyone have the link to that album?
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
does it come with a trunk full of off-brand twizzlers and nuts in gallon plastic tubs
I had some of the caramel apple twizzlers today. They weren't nearly as bad as I expected.
My friends and I have been experimenting wtih the zillion new Oreo flavors on Friday nights lately. The Red Velvet ones are pretty good! The brownie batter ones are not - they taste like chemicals.
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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I know you guys won't agree with me on this, and I feel pretty strongly about criticism, so probably best to just drop it.
For what it's worth, SKFM, criticism isn't really for consumers, its for artists.
I think you take it too personally when you like some piece of media and it gets criticized but you really shouldn't care. If you like it you like it, that's OK. The very best artworks humanity has put out can still be criticized. A good artist wants their work criticized.
My whole thing is not liking unfair criticism, which to me means criticizing a work to make a point instead of actually evaluating that work on its own merit. When I have seen tropes used as criticism, it is usually the former, which really bothers me. But I know I have an idiosyncratic view, that stems from feeling like niche works I really like have been unfairly criticized by people who don't even care about those kinds of works. Gamespot's reviews of the Aki n64 wrestling games, Matt Peckham's review of NWN2, etc. have left a real impression on me and have made me very uncomfortable with reviews by people who don't care about the works they review.
Criticism and review are two different things. They overlap sometimes but are not identical.
That is fair. I think that for video games, they overlap in ways that are harmful to the industry, and I recognize that this is more on the industry than the reviewers/critics, but the fact remains that using what is meant to serve as a product review as an avenue for criticism can have direct negative effects on the publisher. I would love to see game criticism evolve to the point where there are product reviews that are more in the mold of "should you buy this" like consumer reports, and then later, after the initial sales period is over and people have had the chance to play the game, actual critical pieces would come out.
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ElldrenIs a woman dammitceterum censeoRegistered Userregular
there really isn't anything that I wouldn't download
does it come with a trunk full of off-brand twizzlers and nuts in gallon plastic tubs
I had some of the caramel apple twizzlers today. They weren't nearly as bad as I expected.
My friends and I have been experimenting wtih the zillion new Oreo flavors on Friday nights lately. The Red Velvet ones are pretty good! The brownie batter ones are not - they taste like chemicals.
I want to take a nap but I have a doctors appointment in two hours. Since I don't have a car, it takes me like 45 mins to get there.
It would take me half an hour to get home
Nap plz
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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JacobkoshGamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderatormod
arrrgh battletech is only like $8k from the next stretch goal come on numbers go up
and then $300k more after that to the stretch goal I really want
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
So we're getting a gender swapped version of Twilight because Stephenie Meyer is sick of the accusations that Bella is damsel in distress. I am not making this up. God I wish I was.
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Also people need to learn that bad things can be entertaining, and good things don't have to be. People put a lot of stock in the idea that enjoying something means it's well made.
fucking east tennessee
there's only three things in east tennessee: hillbillies, methheads, and bootleggers
ok ok one thing
does it come with a trunk full of off-brand twizzlers and nuts in gallon plastic tubs
Gooey WAIT. STAHP!!
*buys more costco stock*
pls continue
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I had some of the caramel apple twizzlers today. They weren't nearly as bad as I expected.
why school
why
captive market
well like, you go to https://www.costcoauto.com/ and pick out which vehicle you want and what options
it tells you the invoice and msrp, and it finds you a dealer that participates in your program
the dealer gives you a no-haggle price that is v competitive (you might be able to save a bit more by haggling, but who wants to do that)
too many people are pirating/buying textbooks from amazon.
you wouldn't download a pizza
My friends and I have been experimenting wtih the zillion new Oreo flavors on Friday nights lately. The Red Velvet ones are pretty good! The brownie batter ones are not - they taste like chemicals.
I mean, a good pizza.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
That is fair. I think that for video games, they overlap in ways that are harmful to the industry, and I recognize that this is more on the industry than the reviewers/critics, but the fact remains that using what is meant to serve as a product review as an avenue for criticism can have direct negative effects on the publisher. I would love to see game criticism evolve to the point where there are product reviews that are more in the mold of "should you buy this" like consumer reports, and then later, after the initial sales period is over and people have had the chance to play the game, actual critical pieces would come out.
sorry RIAA
spendin 200 grand on my r8 but savin through costco
*eats popcorn*
Plz continue
ah, the old trope-a-dope
Except a nap
I'm gonna have a roast beef sandwich. Hard to go wrong with that.
water is chemicals
love is chemicals
Yeah, good luck to them trying to gain control of the word "download".
I download tons of games. On Steam.
Narcing on all yall
I want to take a nap but I have a doctors appointment in two hours. Since I don't have a car, it takes me like 45 mins to get there.
It would take me half an hour to get home
Nap plz
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
and then $300k more after that to the stretch goal I really want
I feel like I said the equivalent of "How much should I tip my circumcision doctor"
(Not really, but man that would be a thread of epic proportions)
On average, this thread was zooming by at warp 2.6
@Hakkekage will create the new thread
@Thomamelas is backup