The big issue with Single Payer (which I think would be good, and save money in the long term) is that a large portion of the savings (perhaps all of it, for middle class insured Amercans) come from the fact employers no longer need to contribute to healthcare costs beyond the payroll tax increase.
Many of us are skeptical these costs would transfer to employees very quickly, or in their totality; I think the concept that it would result in a one-term presidency due to the delay in wage pressure making it look extremely expensive isn't too terribly off the mark.
Nothing's going to get done, the Democrats should just stick to ideas they know they can accomplish, rewrite the Democratic party platform to embrace nihilism"
You're confusing nihilism with pragmatism. Yes, Dems should stick to ideas that they can accomplish, sticking to ideas that are impossible maintains the status quo. This is why I'm wanting alternative solutions to getting this passed, and all I've gotten is nothing. It's disheartening when I came into this election as someone who should be eating out of Sanders hand - instead he's doing Hillary's job for her showing why she's the one who deserves to be the nominee.
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Sanders' hate? Nah, we love Sanders - we don't like how he's selling his ideas. Which we all agree with.
You just said single payer was a bad idea
single payer is an amazing idea.
The part that most of us are wondering about is the HOW.
something something campaign finance reform
And there in is the frustration from a lot of us.
Because that's the answer for most of the questions.
Seriously, talk nerdy to me Bernie and I will be more than full-throated in support.
But if the answers that you're going to give are just hand-waving and angry old man ranting about campaign finance reform, on a question about climate change and/or healthcare, it's just going to frustrate and annoy me.
Sanders' hate? Nah, we love Sanders - we don't like how he's selling his ideas. Which we all agree with.
You just said single payer was a bad idea
single payer is an amazing idea.
The part that most of us are wondering about is the HOW.
something something campaign finance reform
And there in is the frustration from a lot of us.
Because that's the answer for most of the questions.
Seriously, talk nerdy to me Bernie and I will be more than full-throated in support.
But if the answers that you're going to give are just hand-waving and angry old man ranting about campaign finance reform, on a question about climate change and/or healthcare, it's just going to frustrate and annoy me.
I dunno. Can the average viewer understand even 4% of that?
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There are few single payer countries in the world. The goal is universal affordable coverage. Most advanced countries have multi payer systems. Single payer is not some kind of magic word that fixes evertything
Sanders' hate? Nah, we love Sanders - we don't like how he's selling his ideas. Which we all agree with.
You just said single payer was a bad idea
single payer is an amazing idea.
The part that most of us are wondering about is the HOW.
something something campaign finance reform
And there in is the frustration from a lot of us.
Because that's the answer for most of the questions.
Seriously, talk nerdy to me Bernie and I will be more than full-throated in support.
But if the answers that you're going to give are just hand-waving and angry old man ranting about campaign finance reform, on a question about climate change and/or healthcare, it's just going to frustrate and annoy me.
No one, including Hillary, is being asked for anything like a reasonably likely legislative strategy for accomplishing the left-wing bromides they're tossing off, because there is no such strategy and even if there were most viewers don't care and don't have the expertise to weight them anyway.
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lonelyahavaCall me Ahava ~~She/Her~~Move to New ZealandRegistered Userregular
Sanders' hate? Nah, we love Sanders - we don't like how he's selling his ideas. Which we all agree with.
You just said single payer was a bad idea
single payer is an amazing idea.
The part that most of us are wondering about is the HOW.
something something campaign finance reform
And there in is the frustration from a lot of us.
Because that's the answer for most of the questions.
Seriously, talk nerdy to me Bernie and I will be more than full-throated in support.
But if the answers that you're going to give are just hand-waving and angry old man ranting about campaign finance reform, on a question about climate change and/or healthcare, it's just going to frustrate and annoy me.
I dunno. Can the average viewer understand even 4% of that?
well, probably not in the general.
but this is a debate on a sunday night, after a football game, during a hockey game for a democratic primary.
People who are going to be watching this are going to care about details.
and my post was primarily about those of us on this board, and we are by far and above not the average viewer.
Because anything that can't be accomplished with execute order is going to require a supermajority in both houses of congress, so most likely none of their legislative agenda's matter
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Bernie's actually not doing too badly on the foreign policy so far.
Because anything that can't be accomplished with execute order is going to require a supermajority in both houses of congress, so most likely none of their legislative agenda's matter
Sanders' hate? Nah, we love Sanders - we don't like how he's selling his ideas. Which we all agree with.
You just said single payer was a bad idea
single payer is an amazing idea.
The part that most of us are wondering about is the HOW.
something something campaign finance reform
And there in is the frustration from a lot of us.
Because that's the answer for most of the questions.
Seriously, talk nerdy to me Bernie and I will be more than full-throated in support.
But if the answers that you're going to give are just hand-waving and angry old man ranting about campaign finance reform, on a question about climate change and/or healthcare, it's just going to frustrate and annoy me.
I dunno. Can the average viewer understand even 4% of that?
well, probably not in the general.
but this is a debate on a sunday night, after a football game, during a hockey game for a democratic primary.
People who are going to be watching this are going to care about details.
and my post was primarily about those of us on this board, and we are by far and above not the average viewer.
We're stranger.
After gazing into the 322nd century, I'm proud to report that the country is stranger than it used to be
Because anything that can't be accomplished with execute order is going to require a supermajority in both houses of congress, so most likely none of their legislative agenda's matter
This is the it's important for optics and PR is, for building support for getting those ideas implemented with solutions when it's time when Dems get power back. It's a long game, as well trying to retain the president's and the party's political cred. Plus showing us the president has some clue about trying to make this happen, anyone can make a speech. We need to know the person behind it knows what they're doing.
edit: Someone who managed to get 10% made without succeeding has more credibility then someone with 0%.
Because anything that can't be accomplished with execute order is going to require a supermajority in both houses of congress, so most likely none of their legislative agenda's matter
A supermajority?
I misspoke while typing and watching, I meant a filibuster-proof majority
Because anything that can't be accomplished with execute order is going to require a supermajority in both houses of congress, so most likely none of their legislative agenda's matter
A supermajority?
Can the GOP still hold things up with Cloture votes anymore?
Because anything that can't be accomplished with execute order is going to require a supermajority in both houses of congress, so most likely none of their legislative agenda's matter
A supermajority?
Can the GOP still hold things up with Cloture votes anymore?
Yes except on some nominations, but that's just the Senate.
Because anything that can't be accomplished with execute order is going to require a supermajority in both houses of congress, so most likely none of their legislative agenda's matter
This is the it's important for optics and PR is, for building support for getting those ideas implemented with solutions when it's time when Dems get power back. It's a long game, as well trying to retain the president's and the party's political cred. Plus showing us the president has some clue about trying to make this happen, anyone can make a speech. We need to know the person behind it knows what they're doing.
edit: Someone who managed to get 10% made without succeeding has more credibility then someone with 0%.
Yeah, but that stuff is hard, and takes time, and commitment, and steady work. We want our unicorn to appear and Make Everything Wonderful Forever.
Single-payer universal health care at one magical stroke of the pen!
Racism, sexism and all the other isms truly over!
Campaign finance and voter suppression fixed for good!
All the Bad Guns go away!
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something something campaign finance reform
Many of us are skeptical these costs would transfer to employees very quickly, or in their totality; I think the concept that it would result in a one-term presidency due to the delay in wage pressure making it look extremely expensive isn't too terribly off the mark.
Hillary is comically impressive, the moderators want a war, Sanders tries to hold his own but is ultimately not super interested.
You're confusing nihilism with pragmatism. Yes, Dems should stick to ideas that they can accomplish, sticking to ideas that are impossible maintains the status quo. This is why I'm wanting alternative solutions to getting this passed, and all I've gotten is nothing. It's disheartening when I came into this election as someone who should be eating out of Sanders hand - instead he's doing Hillary's job for her showing why she's the one who deserves to be the nominee.
And there in is the frustration from a lot of us.
Because that's the answer for most of the questions.
Seriously, talk nerdy to me Bernie and I will be more than full-throated in support.
But if the answers that you're going to give are just hand-waving and angry old man ranting about campaign finance reform, on a question about climate change and/or healthcare, it's just going to frustrate and annoy me.
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No one, including Hillary, is being asked for anything like a reasonably likely legislative strategy for accomplishing the left-wing bromides they're tossing off, because there is no such strategy and even if there were most viewers don't care and don't have the expertise to weight them anyway.
well, probably not in the general.
but this is a debate on a sunday night, after a football game, during a hockey game for a democratic primary.
People who are going to be watching this are going to care about details.
and my post was primarily about those of us on this board, and we are by far and above not the average viewer.
We're stranger.
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wait
A supermajority?
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I think so? Also he seemed to insinuate earlier that only governors can balance budgets
After gazing into the 322nd century, I'm proud to report that the country is stranger than it used to be
In my head I've been asking him why hes there over and over.
This is the it's important for optics and PR is, for building support for getting those ideas implemented with solutions when it's time when Dems get power back. It's a long game, as well trying to retain the president's and the party's political cred. Plus showing us the president has some clue about trying to make this happen, anyone can make a speech. We need to know the person behind it knows what they're doing.
edit: Someone who managed to get 10% made without succeeding has more credibility then someone with 0%.
I misspoke while typing and watching, I meant a filibuster-proof majority
Can the GOP still hold things up with Cloture votes anymore?
Also probably Barack Obama out loud if he's watching this.
"There was a red line drawn but then nothing happened. Was Obama right? "
"You realize that things change all the time when you're President and you get lots of information and so tactics have to change."
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Yes except on some nominations, but that's just the Senate.
Khildith clarified
OMalley why you talk. *fast forward*
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Edit: Also NSA.
Yeah, but that stuff is hard, and takes time, and commitment, and steady work. We want our unicorn to appear and Make Everything Wonderful Forever.
Single-payer universal health care at one magical stroke of the pen!
Racism, sexism and all the other isms truly over!
Campaign finance and voter suppression fixed for good!
All the Bad Guns go away!
A question about the stupid red button photo op.
Clinton's Answer " Well, it depends on what I could get in exchange for the random button photo op."
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They've done that a couple of times.
'First base only.'