I can't see anything about Unravel now without thinking of how hilariously awful that Kill Screen article ThatDudeOverThere linked on Twitter is. Or at least I think it was tdot.
I can't see anything about Unravel now without thinking of how hilariously awful that Kill Screen article @ThatDudeOverThere linked on Twitter is. Or at least I think it was tdot.
(Ps TDOT you're good at Twitter)
I'm honestly struggling to understand what the author is even getting at.
It's like some random rant about nothing they're having while waiting for their morning coffee.
I can't see anything about Unravel now without thinking of how hilariously awful that Kill Screen article @ThatDudeOverThere linked on Twitter is. Or at least I think it was tdot.
(Ps TDOT you're good at Twitter)
I'm honestly struggling to understand what the author is even getting at.
It's like some random rant about nothing they're having while waiting for their morning coffee.
They hate it when games try to make you feel things
I can't see anything about Unravel now without thinking of how hilariously awful that Kill Screen article @ThatDudeOverThere linked on Twitter is. Or at least I think it was tdot.
(Ps TDOT you're good at Twitter)
I'm honestly struggling to understand what the author is even getting at.
It's like some random rant about nothing they're having while waiting for their morning coffee.
They hate it when games try to make you feel things
It's about projecting a perceived insincerity that is not there
Or is, depending on your views
But yeah totally
I'm happy to know I'm not alone in this particular view though
EDIT: It was nice to see him call out Child of Light too because I feel pretty similarly about that game, although I ended up digging that game quite a bit from a mechanical perspective, the battle system was rad
The weirdest part about that article to me is that he uses phrases like "Yarny can go fuck himself" and that casual tone while also saying things like "commodification of childhood" and "false binary" but doesn't really take the time to set up the conceptual or critical framework he is using those terms in.
Basically like, man, pick a tone or a voice for your piece, that's just a jumbled mess.
I respect your opinion but I genuinely cannot see how someone could watch that and think "yeah that guy is just a really good actor and faking all of this"
I respect your opinion but I genuinely cannot see how someone could watch that and think "yeah that guy is just a really good actor and faking all of this"
And conversely I don't see how anyone could watch that and take it at face value!
The weirdest part about that article to me is that he uses phrases like "Yarny can go fuck himself" and that casual tone while also saying things like "commodification of childhood" and "false binary" but doesn't really take the time to set up the conceptual or critical framework he is using those terms in.
Basically like, man, pick a tone or a voice for your piece, that's just a jumbled mess.
He also doesn't even bother to try the game itself and instead writes it off based on the perception of the marketing and premise.
This is fine for an individual to do, but it is 100% not ok for a critic to include this article in the "news" section of a publication. It's a one-two bullshit punch of super clickbaity and the equivalent of a film critic looking at a poster for a movie and writing a bad review based entirely on that.
Game publications are generally really bad about separating their editorial from their actual news but "Burn In Hell, Yarny" as "news" is a whole new tier of terrible.
Whether you like the game or not I don't really care, what I've seen of it suggests I probably don't give a fuck about that game
But trying to paint it as this calculated pin point attack on your heartstrings is an incredibly cynical view
You know I bet you, honestly, that there are some really interesting things to unpack and analyze about yarny if we look deep into it.
How an adult looks back and conceptualizes childhood, how distance and time changes and warps those lived experiences. How other adults take that conception of childhood and how they interpret through their own flawed, remembered conception of childhood. Does Yarny conform to or subvert the commonly held attitudes towards childhood? Etc etc etc.
But that article does none of that. It just sets up some weird strawman false binary and knocks it over while swearing for... reasons?
Like, even if what he is saying has actual merit (which I am unsure of, because I am still somewhat unsure of what he is actually trying to get at) that is a horribly written article regardless.
Everything about the reveal of Unravel and how it has been marketed is the most sincere thing in the world
That man was about to cry on stage because he could talk about his little yarn friend
What is the more likely option
That it is a genuinely emotional project for him and his team
Or that he is the best actor in the history of games development
The latter, 100%
I understand I don't see eye to eye on this with everybody else
But that whole presentation felt like maybe the most false thing EA has ever put on
man
You really think it is more likely
MORE common of an occurance
For someone who is telling you they enjoyed doing something to be lying to you and also an excellent actor than just actually having enjoyed it
I'm trying to figure out what my world view would be through that filter and its very upsetting
I never said it was more common
But I'll flip that on you and say "you really think that everything everyone says about their personal feelings should be taken at face value, at all times?"
I would imagine, or at least hope, that your answer is no
This is something I feel in my gut, it is hard to describe or put into words. When I saw that presentation, my gut told me "this dude is so full of shit right now"
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The author just seems upset that a game is wants to make him feel something and because he doesn't like how the game might make him feel it is clearly a conniving emotionally manipulative force
As if every game (or indeed all media) aren't trying to make you feel something
The weirdest part about that article to me is that he uses phrases like "Yarny can go fuck himself" and that casual tone while also saying things like "commodification of childhood" and "false binary" but doesn't really take the time to set up the conceptual or critical framework he is using those terms in.
Basically like, man, pick a tone or a voice for your piece, that's just a jumbled mess.
He also doesn't even bother to try the game itself and instead writes it off based on the perception of the marketing and premise.
This is fine for an individual to do, but it is 100% not ok for a critic to include this article in the "news" section of a publication. It's a one-two bullshit punch of super clickbaity and the equivalent of a film critic looking at a poster for a movie and writing a bad review based entirely on that.
Game publications are generally really bad about separating their editorial from their actual news but "Burn In Hell, Yarny" as "news" is a whole new tier of terrible.
He's not reviewing the game so I'm not sure what you're on about?
People write articles about the marketing of media all the time
This kind of thing is generally reserved for the editorial section of a publication, the place you expect to hear weird or obnoxious opinions. The fact it's flagged as news and the tone the article takes basically tells me to write off the entire website instead of just the editorial section.
I can't see anything about Unravel now without thinking of how hilariously awful that Kill Screen article ThatDudeOverThere linked on Twitter is. Or at least I think it was tdot.
(Ps TDOT you're good at Twitter)
it was! and thank you!
I'd never heard of kill screen before last night, but between that article and this one, I'm ready to dismiss it altogether
I believe Kill Screen started a Kickstarter to start producing a print version?
And then a bunch of writers came out to talk about how they freelanced for Kill Screen and they never paid them
Well, I used to like Killscreen but my opinion of them has pretty much tanked overnight
Everything about the reveal of Unravel and how it has been marketed is the most sincere thing in the world
That man was about to cry on stage because he could talk about his little yarn friend
What is the more likely option
That it is a genuinely emotional project for him and his team
Or that he is the best actor in the history of games development
The latter, 100%
I understand I don't see eye to eye on this with everybody else
But that whole presentation felt like maybe the most false thing EA has ever put on
Okay so, at a game developers conference here in Australia last year I met this dude, and he did the closing keynote for the conference.
He goes into way more detail about his personal life and history and all the origins and emotions behind the idea for Yarny that he and the rest of the team envisioned.
And frankly just knowing about it 100% convinces me that calling him the best actor in the history of games development is incredibly heartless and uncharitable. assuming the worst in people without looking into it further just makes me very sad
You can think a thing is too cutesy and twee for you
That's a legitimate complaint. But generally it's better to just own that feeling, instead of projecting unsincerity on the part of the creator.
Everything about the reveal of Unravel and how it has been marketed is the most sincere thing in the world
That man was about to cry on stage because he could talk about his little yarn friend
What is the more likely option
That it is a genuinely emotional project for him and his team
Or that he is the best actor in the history of games development
The latter, 100%
I understand I don't see eye to eye on this with everybody else
But that whole presentation felt like maybe the most false thing EA has ever put on
man
You really think it is more likely
MORE common of an occurance
For someone who is telling you they enjoyed doing something to be lying to you and also an excellent actor than just actually having enjoyed it
I'm trying to figure out what my world view would be through that filter and its very upsetting
I never said it was more common
But I'll flip that on you and say "you really think that everything everyone says about their personal feelings should be taken at face value, at all times?"
I would imagine, or at least hope, that your answer is no
This is something I feel in my gut, it is hard to describe or put into words. When I saw that presentation, my gut told me "this dude is so full of shit right now"
Unless someone has specifically given me reason to believe they are fucking with me,
Yes absolutely.
Like, if someone says something is upsetting to them and your response is "eh they're probably not actually upset", that's fucked up.
Everything about the reveal of Unravel and how it has been marketed is the most sincere thing in the world
That man was about to cry on stage because he could talk about his little yarn friend
What is the more likely option
That it is a genuinely emotional project for him and his team
Or that he is the best actor in the history of games development
The latter, 100%
I understand I don't see eye to eye on this with everybody else
But that whole presentation felt like maybe the most false thing EA has ever put on
man
You really think it is more likely
MORE common of an occurance
For someone who is telling you they enjoyed doing something to be lying to you and also an excellent actor than just actually having enjoyed it
I'm trying to figure out what my world view would be through that filter and its very upsetting
I never said it was more common
But I'll flip that on you and say "you really think that everything everyone says about their personal feelings should be taken at face value, at all times?"
Yes, until proven otherwise.
I had a sneery cynical "look at all these false people" phase back in the day and all it really got me was a perpetual bad mood.
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I like the cut of this guy's jib
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I'm honestly struggling to understand what the author is even getting at.
It's like some random rant about nothing they're having while waiting for their morning coffee.
They hate it when games try to make you feel things
That's not what it says at all but
Okay
Or is, depending on your views
But yeah totally
I'm happy to know I'm not alone in this particular view though
EDIT: It was nice to see him call out Child of Light too because I feel pretty similarly about that game, although I ended up digging that game quite a bit from a mechanical perspective, the battle system was rad
That man was about to cry on stage because he could talk about his little yarn friend
What is the more likely option
That it is a genuinely emotional project for him and his team
Or that he is the best actor in the history of games development
Basically like, man, pick a tone or a voice for your piece, that's just a jumbled mess.
The latter, 100%
I understand I don't see eye to eye on this with everybody else
But that whole presentation felt like maybe the most false thing EA has ever put on
I'm not sure how anyone can make a definitive statement either way.
Sure you can not like it, but to say they're trying to pull a fast one on the entire audience feels unnecessarily mean
And conversely I don't see how anyone could watch that and take it at face value!
I will point people in the direction of the thread that was made for the game
But trying to paint it as this calculated pin point attack on your heartstrings is an incredibly cynical view
He also doesn't even bother to try the game itself and instead writes it off based on the perception of the marketing and premise.
This is fine for an individual to do, but it is 100% not ok for a critic to include this article in the "news" section of a publication. It's a one-two bullshit punch of super clickbaity and the equivalent of a film critic looking at a poster for a movie and writing a bad review based entirely on that.
Game publications are generally really bad about separating their editorial from their actual news but "Burn In Hell, Yarny" as "news" is a whole new tier of terrible.
You know I bet you, honestly, that there are some really interesting things to unpack and analyze about yarny if we look deep into it.
How an adult looks back and conceptualizes childhood, how distance and time changes and warps those lived experiences. How other adults take that conception of childhood and how they interpret through their own flawed, remembered conception of childhood. Does Yarny conform to or subvert the commonly held attitudes towards childhood? Etc etc etc.
But that article does none of that. It just sets up some weird strawman false binary and knocks it over while swearing for... reasons?
People write articles about the marketing of media all the time
Like, even if what he is saying has actual merit (which I am unsure of, because I am still somewhat unsure of what he is actually trying to get at) that is a horribly written article regardless.
Never should have made it past an editor.
man
You really think it is more likely
MORE common of an occurance
For someone who is telling you they enjoyed doing something to be lying to you and also an excellent actor than just actually having enjoyed it
I'm trying to figure out what my world view would be through that filter and its very upsetting
I never said it was more common
But I'll flip that on you and say "you really think that everything everyone says about their personal feelings should be taken at face value, at all times?"
I would imagine, or at least hope, that your answer is no
This is something I feel in my gut, it is hard to describe or put into words. When I saw that presentation, my gut told me "this dude is so full of shit right now"
As if every game (or indeed all media) aren't trying to make you feel something
haha what? He didn't even play it? Wow.
Also
Jesus, if anyone ever knew my true feelings about anything...
This kind of thing is generally reserved for the editorial section of a publication, the place you expect to hear weird or obnoxious opinions. The fact it's flagged as news and the tone the article takes basically tells me to write off the entire website instead of just the editorial section.
Art is designed to make us feel emotions all the fuckin time!
That's not a bad thing!
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Well, I used to like Killscreen but my opinion of them has pretty much tanked overnight
welp
Okay so, at a game developers conference here in Australia last year I met this dude, and he did the closing keynote for the conference.
He goes into way more detail about his personal life and history and all the origins and emotions behind the idea for Yarny that he and the rest of the team envisioned.
And frankly just knowing about it 100% convinces me that calling him the best actor in the history of games development is incredibly heartless and uncharitable. assuming the worst in people without looking into it further just makes me very sad
That's a legitimate complaint. But generally it's better to just own that feeling, instead of projecting unsincerity on the part of the creator.
Unless someone has specifically given me reason to believe they are fucking with me,
Yes absolutely.
Like, if someone says something is upsetting to them and your response is "eh they're probably not actually upset", that's fucked up.
What if you can't trust... Movie posters?!
Yes, until proven otherwise.
I had a sneery cynical "look at all these false people" phase back in the day and all it really got me was a perpetual bad mood.
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you're goddamn buggered then
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Big ol sticker on the front cover that reads TRUST NO ONE
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