I think Civil War is going to do an insane amount of money.
Id say more than Age of Ultron.
Maybe more than Iron Man 3.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
BvS is going to have a huge opening weekend but I am skeptical of it having legs at the Box Office
It is getting reviewed poorly, which doesn't mean all that much to an audience but can definitely point towards poor word of mouth, and by all accounts it is oppressively grim and violent and dark and has no sense of fun or humor which hamstrings both the family audiences and repeat viewings that huge blockbusters like Avengers and Star Wars made a lot of money off of.
What I'm a little worried about is that Deadpool and now BvS will cause a backlash against comicbook movies for being too violent and not good for kids and that this will affect Civil War and Apocalypse later this spring.
I'm not TOO worried about Civil War's performance but just a little bit.
I think it is pretty clear that Deadpool is NOT intended to be a kids movie. The people who think it is or should be need their heads examined.
I don't think the general moviegoing public hates Man of Steel anywhere near as much as most of us on this forum do, and are either eagerly anticipating this movie or are at the very least moderately interested in it. I'm willing to wager most of them won't think this is nearly as shitty as we do either. So this will do fine and DC will continue down this path they are on.
it's not as hated as it is here but it's also not loved. despite having a really good opening weekend, the movie fell off hard afterward, which is not what the studio was hoping for. it's one of the cited reasons that the studio rushed to introduce batman and wonder woman into the movie in order to make a sequel more appealing
this movie will do fine this weekend. beyond that, nothing is guaranteed
BvS is going to have a huge opening weekend but I am skeptical of it having legs at the Box Office
It is getting reviewed poorly, which doesn't mean all that much to an audience but can definitely point towards poor word of mouth, and by all accounts it is oppressively grim and violent and dark and has no sense of fun or humor which hamstrings both the family audiences and repeat viewings that huge blockbusters like Avengers and Star Wars made a lot of money off of.
What I'm a little worried about is that Deadpool and now BvS will cause a backlash against comicbook movies for being too violent and not good for kids and that this will affect Civil War and Apocalypse later this spring.
I'm not TOO worried about Civil War's performance but just a little bit.
I think it is pretty clear that Deadpool is NOT intended to be a kids movie. The people who think it is or should be need their heads examined.
Deadpool didn't become the highest-grossing R-rated movie of all time by not having clueless parents take their kids to it.
BvS is going to have a huge opening weekend but I am skeptical of it having legs at the Box Office
It is getting reviewed poorly, which doesn't mean all that much to an audience but can definitely point towards poor word of mouth, and by all accounts it is oppressively grim and violent and dark and has no sense of fun or humor which hamstrings both the family audiences and repeat viewings that huge blockbusters like Avengers and Star Wars made a lot of money off of.
What I'm a little worried about is that Deadpool and now BvS will cause a backlash against comicbook movies for being too violent and not good for kids and that this will affect Civil War and Apocalypse later this spring.
I'm not TOO worried about Civil War's performance but just a little bit.
I think it is pretty clear that Deadpool is NOT intended to be a kids movie. The people who think it is or should be need their heads examined.
Deadpool didn't become the highest-grossing R-rated movie of all time by not having clueless parents take their kids to it.
And also parents who don't give a shit
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
it's definitely at least an event movie that people will feel some obligation to see
This weekend, sure.
But given the reviews are what they are - that it's pretty boring and convoluted at that - I doubt people will be desperate to it over say, Deadpool. If it was a trainwreck then people might see it to see the carnage, but not for something that's just "Eh."
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Well enough to make future movies, while also constantly fuelling some sort of sense of inadequacy in certain executives because it won't make as much as the Marvel movies.
I had a cousin who lived with me for most of my young life.
And he watched Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back every single day for three months.
While this shouldn't sound like a relief, his previous movie to do this with was Freddy Got Fingered.
This is a great origin story for a film critic superhero.
Or a film critic supervillain
Funny you say that.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
The only way suicide squad will do 'deadpool-like' with a hard R is by being really good. Deadpool shattered records.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
If it make under 600 million that might really upset some plans. I don't know though, seems like it's on track to do ok.
Yeah it isn't going to flop
But WB is banking on it being a gigantic smash hit that ushers in its movieverse and that almost certainly isn't happening
Like it had a quarter billion dollar budget and a massive advertising campaign
Anything less than a billion is gonna feel like a failure to them. Not a big enough one to change course, though.
There are Batman and Superman cereal
not a Batman And Superman cereal
there are Batman cereal and Superman cereal and the boxes are embossed and glittery
also after seeing Deadpool an entire month ago I spent 30 minutes in the fun-merchandise section of HMV and there was BvS shit everywhere. More of it than Star Wars (which admittedly was in its zeitgeist downtime). And definitely no Deadpool anywhere even though it came out that week-end.
What I'm wondering is what happens if BvS is considered a failure but Suicide Squad is awesome and a smash hit against all odds.
Batman movie cancelled and replaced with The Joker Harley Quinn
I think the only reason a Harley Quinn movie wasn't greenlit the minute Deadpool did well was because it would involve renegotiating Margot Robbie's contract. Same reason we haven't got a Black Widow film.
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This is gonna be exactly like the AAA Video Games industry, where the movie will do quite well, the studio will brand it as a terrible disappointment for not meeting their absurd expectations, and they will make exactly no good changes as a result.
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The only way suicide squad will do 'deadpool-like' with a hard R is by being really good. Deadpool shattered records.
Suicide Squad is PG-13.
I thought there was talks of them going for a harder rating, given the source material and that Deadpool had so recently come out and proven that you could make a hard R comic movie sell.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The only way suicide squad will do 'deadpool-like' with a hard R is by being really good. Deadpool shattered records.
Suicide Squad is PG-13.
I thought there was talks of them going for a harder rating, given the source material and that Deadpool had so recently come out and proven that you could make a hard R comic movie sell.
There was talk of exactly the opposite, they straight up said they would not be making it R in the wake of Deadpool.
The only way suicide squad will do 'deadpool-like' with a hard R is by being really good. Deadpool shattered records.
Suicide Squad is PG-13.
I thought there was talks of them going for a harder rating, given the source material and that Deadpool had so recently come out and proven that you could make a hard R comic movie sell.
It was just internet speculation and people running with the 'bluray BvS R-rated extended edition' news. LINKY
The DC Comics film, directed by David Ayer, has been tagged, as of now, PG-13, according to producer Charles Roven, who told Collider, "At the moment, my understanding is we are still releasing 'Suicide Squad' as a PG-13, so there hasn't been to my mind a serious conversation about doing anything other than that."
"I understand why 'Deadpool' was released as an R-rated film," Roven said, "and I think that the DC Justice League characters, particularly because so many of them are so iconographic, have been around for so long and for so many generations that have grown up with them, and that are still growing up with them, I think we want to present them, when we finally present them, to the broadest possible audience that we can. I think that's why we've planned on making these movies PG-13."
"I'm not seeing any real reason to change," he added. "We've made some pretty edgy films that are rated PG-13. You never want to say 'never' because we all evolve, but right now I think we're staying that course."
BvS also started pushing tickets and that ridiculous season pass a long time ago. It's got little competition, and it's a holiday weekend. And it has Batman in it. Their opening weekend is safe.
Still, in an age of big superhero movies, the fact that they put (arguably) the biggest two superheroes of all time together in a big theatrical movie for the first time and it got critical ripped apart like this is rather sad. How do you screw up that badly?
If it make under 600 million that might really upset some plans. I don't know though, seems like it's on track to do ok.
Yeah, but WB can absorb the loss. They don't have a large portion of their company invested in the success of these movies the way that Sony did.
The last time WB had a smash hit was in the Harry Potter years. Hobbit was supposed to be it but it underperformed.
They are desperate to find the next big thing and Disney is eating their lunch at every turn.
They can survive on mediocre successes. The thing that's been dragging Sony down is that their other departments have been failing for a decade, and they've been relying on their movie and gaming departments to prop up the failing ones. The leaks were only the straw that broke the camel's back and forced them to shelve projects and made them even more reliant on needing big wins at the box office, and they didn't have very many big brands they could bank on beyond Spider-Man.
WB as a company is in good shape and doesn't have to bet all it's money on big successes in order to stay afloat. It can coast by on making two or three times the cost of their superhero movies without having to worry.
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I am distinctly aware that R = less money, hence my caveat about it not reaching DP status as a hard R (which I honestly thought they were going with. I've been sick for a few weeks and still am, I'm a little behind on some of this 'news')
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Id say more than Age of Ultron.
Maybe more than Iron Man 3.
AOL/Time/Warner owns DC. So it's just a facet in another conglomerate.
I think it is pretty clear that Deadpool is NOT intended to be a kids movie. The people who think it is or should be need their heads examined.
it's not as hated as it is here but it's also not loved. despite having a really good opening weekend, the movie fell off hard afterward, which is not what the studio was hoping for. it's one of the cited reasons that the studio rushed to introduce batman and wonder woman into the movie in order to make a sequel more appealing
this movie will do fine this weekend. beyond that, nothing is guaranteed
I think it'll land between iron man 3 and age of ultron
Deadpool didn't become the highest-grossing R-rated movie of all time by not having clueless parents take their kids to it.
This weekend, sure.
But given the reviews are what they are - that it's pretty boring and convoluted at that - I doubt people will be desperate to it over say, Deadpool. If it was a trainwreck then people might see it to see the carnage, but not for something that's just "Eh."
X-Men maybe since deadpool is part of that
Well enough to make future movies, while also constantly fuelling some sort of sense of inadequacy in certain executives because it won't make as much as the Marvel movies.
But WB is banking on it being a gigantic smash hit that ushers in its movieverse and that almost certainly isn't happening
Like it had a quarter billion dollar budget and a massive advertising campaign
Anything less than a billion is gonna feel like a failure to them. Not a big enough one to change course, though.
wonder woman will still happen
if bvs somehow does less than man of steel then dc will seriously restructure their universe but keep it going in some form
if it does above man of steel like it will, even if it's less than they hope for, they'll continue as planned but maybe shrink some budgets
Funny you say that.
Yeah, but WB can absorb the loss. They don't have a large portion of their company invested in the success of these movies the way that Sony did.
There are Batman and Superman cereal
not a Batman And Superman cereal
there are Batman cereal and Superman cereal and the boxes are embossed and glittery
also after seeing Deadpool an entire month ago I spent 30 minutes in the fun-merchandise section of HMV and there was BvS shit everywhere. More of it than Star Wars (which admittedly was in its zeitgeist downtime). And definitely no Deadpool anywhere even though it came out that week-end.
Doesn't mean they want to eat that kind of loss
It'd definitely make them look at their slate of DC films again in some capacity
That said I expect BvS to do just fine, but it might not get as absurdly high as they're counting on
Suicide Squad is PG-13.
The last time WB had a smash hit was in the Harry Potter years. Hobbit was supposed to be it but it underperformed.
They are desperate to find the next big thing and Disney is eating their lunch at every turn.
I thought there was talks of them going for a harder rating, given the source material and that Deadpool had so recently come out and proven that you could make a hard R comic movie sell.
Sure, but it might cause them to redraw their film schedule a little. Or maybe not! Maybe they're willing to double down.
Batman/Superman will make a lot of money
it's time, wb
it's time to revive the matrix
BvS, by all accounts, very much is not.
It'll make money for sure but having your blockbuster be humorless and grim and plodding is different than it just being bad
why sequels
why
whyyyy
LINKY An R rating means less money.
Still, in an age of big superhero movies, the fact that they put (arguably) the biggest two superheroes of all time together in a big theatrical movie for the first time and it got critical ripped apart like this is rather sad. How do you screw up that badly?
Making Neo trans would be a very interesting way to add a new element to the tech-gnostic theme actually
They can survive on mediocre successes. The thing that's been dragging Sony down is that their other departments have been failing for a decade, and they've been relying on their movie and gaming departments to prop up the failing ones. The leaks were only the straw that broke the camel's back and forced them to shelve projects and made them even more reliant on needing big wins at the box office, and they didn't have very many big brands they could bank on beyond Spider-Man.
WB as a company is in good shape and doesn't have to bet all it's money on big successes in order to stay afloat. It can coast by on making two or three times the cost of their superhero movies without having to worry.