When discussing with a friend earlier, they asked how much do kids now a days really know about Batman & Superman. The DCAU was over before they were born, and comics and the animated DTV movies are kind of niche overall.
Is there really anything other than the Dark Knight Trilogy and Man of Steel to inform today's kids about these characters, beyond general cultural osmosis? (though even Batman Begins is over ten years old)
Obviously a small sample size, but I know my nieces and nephews have only ever talked about the Avengers (or, much more commonly) the Transformers and the Ninja Turtles, with a little bit of Power Rangers on occasion (I assume because those are shows that they are actually seeing).
Granted, this new film probably did not have kids in mind when it was being made.
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I have to believe that bill never had/doesn't have a chance of being signed by Nathan Deal, he has such a boner for painting Georgia as business-friendly and this bill would cut the fucking legs out from under this state's economy
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
I actually wish Marvel would still back out of filming in Georgia ever again, whether or not that bill passes. Marvel words it as a threat, but it really should just be smart business. If your employees can't feel safe because the prospect of a bill that diminishes their rights as human beings has a possibility of passing into law, it's already saying too much and they should just pick up and go where that kind of law won't even be considered.
I actually wish Marvel would still back out of filming in Georgia ever again, whether or not that bill passes. Marvel words it as a threat, but it really should just be smart business. If your employees can't feel safe because the prospect of a bill that diminishes their rights as human beings has a possibility of passing into law, it's already saying too much and they should just pick up and go where that kind of law won't even be considered.
There's a reason it's called "carrot and stick" and not just "stick."
I hope to Jesus that BvS makes so little money that execs at DC and WB have to stare deeply into their bathroom mirrors for long periods of time.
I don't actually believe any part of their back-of-a-napkin master plan to make "infinity more dollars than Disney-Marvel" will be derailed by anything at this point, but I at least want some people at those companies to have to think real hard about what they've done.
If that stupid things clears a billion dollars I'm going to be really unhappy
I actually wish Marvel would still back out of filming in Georgia ever again, whether or not that bill passes. Marvel words it as a threat, but it really should just be smart business. If your employees can't feel safe because the prospect of a bill that diminishes their rights as human beings has a possibility of passing into law, it's already saying too much and they should just pick up and go where that kind of law won't even be considered.
There's a reason it's called "carrot and stick" and not just "stick."
you could get away with just a carrot, just hit them with it sometimes
I don't think the general moviegoing public hates Man of Steel anywhere near as much as most of us on this forum do, and are either eagerly anticipating this movie or are at the very least moderately interested in it. I'm willing to wager most of them won't think this is nearly as shitty as we do either. So this will do fine and DC will continue down this path they are on.
When discussing with a friend earlier, they asked how much do kids now a days really know about Batman & Superman. The DCAU was over before they were born, and comics and the animated DTV movies are kind of niche overall.
Is there really anything other than the Dark Knight Trilogy and Man of Steel to inform today's kids about these characters, beyond general cultural osmosis? (though even Batman Begins is over ten years old)
Obviously a small sample size, but I know my nieces and nephews have only ever talked about the Avengers (or, much more commonly) the Transformers and the Ninja Turtles, with a little bit of Power Rangers on occasion (I assume because those are shows that they are actually seeing).
Granted, this new film probably did not have kids in mind when it was being made.
my 13 year old brother hasn't seen the dark knight movies or man of steel, his main exposure to DC superheroes is young justice and teen titans go
BvS is going to have a huge opening weekend but I am skeptical of it having legs at the Box Office
It is getting reviewed poorly, which doesn't mean all that much to an audience but can definitely point towards poor word of mouth, and by all accounts it is oppressively grim and violent and dark and has no sense of fun or humor which hamstrings both the family audiences and repeat viewings that huge blockbusters like Avengers and Star Wars made a lot of money off of.
When discussing with a friend earlier, they asked how much do kids now a days really know about Batman & Superman. The DCAU was over before they were born, and comics and the animated DTV movies are kind of niche overall.
Is there really anything other than the Dark Knight Trilogy and Man of Steel to inform today's kids about these characters, beyond general cultural osmosis? (though even Batman Begins is over ten years old)
Obviously a small sample size, but I know my nieces and nephews have only ever talked about the Avengers (or, much more commonly) the Transformers and the Ninja Turtles, with a little bit of Power Rangers on occasion (I assume because those are shows that they are actually seeing).
Granted, this new film probably did not have kids in mind when it was being made.
Media doesn't go away much anymore. We're about 5 years past the point where "It isn't in syndication" means "you can't find it anywhere", 15 years past that if you consider that whole series and seasons of shows are present at every major retail chain with an entertainment department, much more than they were before the ubiquity of DVDs.
Anyone with a Netflix account can watch a solid portion of the DCAU and some of the better spin-offs like Young Justice. You can buy all of Batman: The Animated Series on Amazon Prime. Anyone who wants to can sit their kid down and show them how DC heroes are supposed to be for pennies a day.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Yeah, a big thing about the superhero movies, at least for me, was that when it was good you wanted to share the experience with friends and family as much as you could.
When it's a pile like BvS...after you see it in the opening surge, do you really want to expose other people to it?
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
BvS is going to have a huge opening weekend but I am skeptical of it having legs at the Box Office
It is getting reviewed poorly, which doesn't mean all that much to an audience but can definitely point towards poor word of mouth, and by all accounts it is oppressively grim and violent and dark and has no sense of fun or humor which hamstrings both the family audiences and repeat viewings that huge blockbusters like Avengers and Star Wars made a lot of money off of.
What I'm a little worried about is that Deadpool and now BvS will cause a backlash against comicbook movies for being too violent and not good for kids and that this will affect Civil War and Apocalypse later this spring.
I'm not TOO worried about Civil War's performance but just a little bit.
Kevin smith is great though. He made tusk. Tusk is great.
Are you being serious? I've got a copy still shrink-wrapped at home...
@Lindsay Lohan absolutely. It goes off the rails towards the end but it's got a ton of great stuff in it and is absolutely unique. Justin Long plays it 100% straight and gives a great performance. It has a super gross looking walrus monster in it, played by Haley Joel Osment. There's also a prosthetic one of courrse.
BvS is going to have a huge opening weekend but I am skeptical of it having legs at the Box Office
It is getting reviewed poorly, which doesn't mean all that much to an audience but can definitely point towards poor word of mouth, and by all accounts it is oppressively grim and violent and dark and has no sense of fun or humor which hamstrings both the family audiences and repeat viewings that huge blockbusters like Avengers and Star Wars made a lot of money off of.
What I'm a little worried about is that Deadpool and now BvS will cause a backlash against comicbook movies for being too violent and not good for kids and that this will affect Civil War and Apocalypse later this spring.
I'm not TOO worried about Civil War's performance but just a little bit.
I doubt it
Everyone very much seemed aware of Deadpool being it's own weird, unique thing that isn't like every other superhero movie
And BvS being a dark violent thing has been spelled out since Man of Steel
There's a reason a lot of reviews are saying "Yeah, maybe just wait for Civil War"
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Estimates are placing it at 350 million globally on opening weekend and That's with a simultaneous China opening
I don't see it having the staying power to more than double that
well I am no expert
I am just thinking man of steel numbers plus some bump from batman but less than dark knight
I guess 800 million seems doable
But definitely not clearing a billion, which is absolutely what WB was hoping for
I am just doubtful that even Batman will help it enough with how many reviews are saying it is just not even a little bit fun and is a slog to get through
It would be one thing if it was just a dark film but was still compelling and engaging
But it seems to be a plodding, overwrought chore which is not a great thing for long term BO success
When discussing with a friend earlier, they asked how much do kids now a days really know about Batman & Superman. The DCAU was over before they were born, and comics and the animated DTV movies are kind of niche overall.
Is there really anything other than the Dark Knight Trilogy and Man of Steel to inform today's kids about these characters, beyond general cultural osmosis? (though even Batman Begins is over ten years old)
Obviously a small sample size, but I know my nieces and nephews have only ever talked about the Avengers (or, much more commonly) the Transformers and the Ninja Turtles, with a little bit of Power Rangers on occasion (I assume because those are shows that they are actually seeing).
Granted, this new film probably did not have kids in mind when it was being made.
my 13 year old brother hasn't seen the dark knight movies or man of steel, his main exposure to DC superheroes is young justice and teen titans go
And there are still kids who actually read comics...the numbers aren't what they were in the 90's but the well isn't totally dry either.
I'm honestly expecting the reverse of what happened with Deadpool
It had insanely positive word of mouth and people flocked to it because it wasn't like other superhero movies and was fun as hell and very charming
BvS isn't like other superhero movies but lacks all of the other qualities that made Deadpool such a smash hit. Not that they're trying to be the same thing but "oh man this movie was so dark and brooding" doesn't sell as well
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And he watched Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back every single day for three months.
While this shouldn't sound like a relief, his previous movie to do this with was Freddy Got Fingered.
Al Ewing Signs Exclusive Contract With DC To Write "Dark" Joker Solo Series
Is there really anything other than the Dark Knight Trilogy and Man of Steel to inform today's kids about these characters, beyond general cultural osmosis? (though even Batman Begins is over ten years old)
Obviously a small sample size, but I know my nieces and nephews have only ever talked about the Avengers (or, much more commonly) the Transformers and the Ninja Turtles, with a little bit of Power Rangers on occasion (I assume because those are shows that they are actually seeing).
Granted, this new film probably did not have kids in mind when it was being made.
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That is how good Al Ewing is
He made a comic that is a tie in to a mobile phone fighting game a must read
I see that scene every time I close my eyes. It is my burden to bare.
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we, as a people, allowed tom green to become a big enough deal that freddy got fingered got made
no wonder i drink
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There's a reason it's called "carrot and stick" and not just "stick."
I don't actually believe any part of their back-of-a-napkin master plan to make "infinity more dollars than Disney-Marvel" will be derailed by anything at this point, but I at least want some people at those companies to have to think real hard about what they've done.
If that stupid things clears a billion dollars I'm going to be really unhappy
you could get away with just a carrot, just hit them with it sometimes
Ok here me out. Ill give this to you but. . .
Can it be Comedy Bang Bang's Giamatti?
State of Georgia.
my 13 year old brother hasn't seen the dark knight movies or man of steel, his main exposure to DC superheroes is young justice and teen titans go
This is a great origin story for a film critic superhero.
Or a film critic supervillain
It is getting reviewed poorly, which doesn't mean all that much to an audience but can definitely point towards poor word of mouth, and by all accounts it is oppressively grim and violent and dark and has no sense of fun or humor which hamstrings both the family audiences and repeat viewings that huge blockbusters like Avengers and Star Wars made a lot of money off of.
800 million worldwide
Media doesn't go away much anymore. We're about 5 years past the point where "It isn't in syndication" means "you can't find it anywhere", 15 years past that if you consider that whole series and seasons of shows are present at every major retail chain with an entertainment department, much more than they were before the ubiquity of DVDs.
Anyone with a Netflix account can watch a solid portion of the DCAU and some of the better spin-offs like Young Justice. You can buy all of Batman: The Animated Series on Amazon Prime. Anyone who wants to can sit their kid down and show them how DC heroes are supposed to be for pennies a day.
When it's a pile like BvS...after you see it in the opening surge, do you really want to expose other people to it?
Estimates are placing it at 350 million globally on opening weekend and That's with a simultaneous China opening
I don't see it having the staying power to more than double that
What I'm a little worried about is that Deadpool and now BvS will cause a backlash against comicbook movies for being too violent and not good for kids and that this will affect Civil War and Apocalypse later this spring.
I'm not TOO worried about Civil War's performance but just a little bit.
@Lindsay Lohan absolutely. It goes off the rails towards the end but it's got a ton of great stuff in it and is absolutely unique. Justin Long plays it 100% straight and gives a great performance. It has a super gross looking walrus monster in it, played by Haley Joel Osment. There's also a prosthetic one of courrse.
oh god please people"
well I am no expert
I am just thinking man of steel numbers plus some bump from batman but less than dark knight
Everyone very much seemed aware of Deadpool being it's own weird, unique thing that isn't like every other superhero movie
And BvS being a dark violent thing has been spelled out since Man of Steel
There's a reason a lot of reviews are saying "Yeah, maybe just wait for Civil War"
That sounds insane.
What do you expect it to make domestic? 200 million?
higher than that, even
man of steel did 291 domestic
"Tusk is a movie about a terrifying walrus monster who co-hosts a radio show with Justin Long"
But definitely not clearing a billion, which is absolutely what WB was hoping for
I am just doubtful that even Batman will help it enough with how many reviews are saying it is just not even a little bit fun and is a slog to get through
It would be one thing if it was just a dark film but was still compelling and engaging
But it seems to be a plodding, overwrought chore which is not a great thing for long term BO success
Disney buys DC in 2025
And there are still kids who actually read comics...the numbers aren't what they were in the 90's but the well isn't totally dry either.
It had insanely positive word of mouth and people flocked to it because it wasn't like other superhero movies and was fun as hell and very charming
BvS isn't like other superhero movies but lacks all of the other qualities that made Deadpool such a smash hit. Not that they're trying to be the same thing but "oh man this movie was so dark and brooding" doesn't sell as well
It's an absolute masterpiece.