I promise you that Ghost in the Shell would have a near-zero percent chance of making any kind of worthwhile money if Rinko Kikuchi were cast as the Major
I'm personally deeply invested in seeing more major films with non-white leads, and I've been called an idealist
This is why films with obscure main stars have a list actors in supporting roles. And it's not like Charlie Hunnam was getting seats filled with his presence, but I'm sure he made the investors feel comfy.
But I'm not a blind idealist
Hollywood is racist, but so are audiences
Not as much as they think, and they're not powerless to convert audiences.
That's correct!
Neither did Rinko Kikuchi, Idris Elba, Ron Perlman, or giant fuckoff robots!
While the movie wasn't a smash hit it wasn't a complete flop either so it must have done something right. The question is - how do you tell which actors effected what?
And I'd be willing to bet that swapping Elba and Hunnam in a production with that kind of cost would've been laughed at
Yep.
And I'd also be willing to bet that a Pacific Rim with Elba as the lead would've made even less at the box office
I don't know, but Hollywood sure isn't interested in finding out.
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I think VH is staying at my apartment for a night. What's the etiquette for cooking and eating a guest? Like, do I have to actually exhaust all other food options first or just the major protein sources?
dk make sure he can cross the threshold of your abode uninvited
if he insists on staying outside until you invite him in you might have an unseelie/vampire/dark gundam on your hands and you should put cold iron/blessed wood/your love, your anger, and all of your sorrow through him posthaste welcome him warmly
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Apothe0sisHave you ever questioned the nature of your reality?Registered Userregular
I promise you that Ghost in the Shell would have a near-zero percent chance of making any kind of worthwhile money if Rinko Kikuchi were cast as the Major
I'm personally deeply invested in seeing more major films with non-white leads, and I've been called an idealist
But I'm not a blind idealist
Hollywood is racist, but so are audiences
I mean there's no way to definitely prove this one or another...
But look at the success of Rush Hour, a movie with no white people on the poster
Look at Big Hero 6, a movie with an asian lead character
The new Jungle Book, like I said
Life of Pi
The general public is prejudiced, no doubt, but I think they're always much more ready to see movies starring minorities than Hollywood gives them credit for
these examples are awful
Both Chackie Jan and Tis Chrucker were more or less A-list or otherwise well known
Big Hero 6 was a cartoon and almost all of the marketing featured Baymax not the kid, and the kid, being a weird pixar cartoon thing wasn't really identifiable as any particular race
Jungle book is a known and loved property, aimed at kids.
Life of Pi was already well established in the popular knowledge. But it is probably the best counter example to the risk averse narrative attributed to hollywood casting motivations.
But we are also talking about a brain in a robot body to which the aforesaid brain feels no particular attachment and considers it to be of little importance, at which point "yes, but is she asian?" seems to fade into even more insignificance and cuts against one of the themes of the movie. I would deem GiTS less well known than Life of Pi and less appealing to the mniddlebrow sensibilities of the majority than a cute kid in a cgi fest playing with a tiger.
I got no doubt that all the people responsible for hiring a white lady to play a character named Kusanagi feel like they're the victims of circumstance. 'Oh, we're not racist, it's just, you know, the general public isn't ready'...
But here's the thing, Hollywood - you're part of this world.
And you got a responsibility to make it better.
I promise you that Ghost in the Shell would have a near-zero percent chance of making any kind of worthwhile money if Rinko Kikuchi were cast as the Major
I'm personally deeply invested in seeing more major films with non-white leads, and I've been called an idealist
But I'm not a blind idealist
Hollywood is racist, but so are audiences
Burn it all down
fuck gendered marketing
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I can be made, it's not impossible to make a great movie series from it. But not with what Hollywood's doing with this. The whitewashing is the least of their worries, though.
edit: They already have a blueprint with SAC, and the manga. I'd have liked this to be a co-production with Japan's film industry, get one of their top directors to fill the big chair, do a Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon on it.
I can be made, it's not impossible to make a great movie series from it. But not with what Hollywood's doing with this. The whitewashing is the least of their worries, though.
edit: They already have a blueprint with SAC, and the manga. I'd have liked this to be a co-production with Japan's film industry, get one of their top directors to fill the big chair, do a Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon on it.
I'll rephrase: Hollywood shouldn't make ghost in the shell
fuck gendered marketing
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I think I said this when we were discussing Exodus: I don't think Hollywood casting is actively racist. However it is stuck in a feedback loop of casting famous names, and because most famous names are white, there you go. This may combine with the wider trend of being reluctant to take chances on any front, hence why Sequels/Remakes/Reboots, even if their raw numbers haven't actually risen, are sure as hell marketed more than original IP. The same applies to casting choices, they want things the public already knows as it is a safe bet.
It's also like when Activision canned some projects that had female leads. It wasn't because "Eww Cooties" or whatever, they were blindly following sales trends that had male leads, and that blind trend following looks awful from outside.
going through the logs, it turns out certain predictions were made:
Jacobkosh: Cann, roll either a Lore, Knowledge (Outer Rim), or Mechanics check
Jacobkosh: diff 1
Cann_Starfall: B
Cann_Starfall: B:)
Cann_Starfall:
Cann_Starfall: 4 successes, 1 advantage
GZ-9Z: (whoo)
Cann_Starfall: (that will be the best roll i make in this entire game: tunnel awareness -_- _
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To me, Kid Rock looks like a cross of Johnny Depp and Snoop Dogg in that picture
...also perhaps related: I just watched At World's End and I liked it
To me, Kid Rock looks like a cross between an actual homosapien and the kind of grease stain off-brand SPAM-style products would leave on motel room sheets
@Cinders I have night sweats as well sometimes. No idea why.
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While the movie wasn't a smash hit it wasn't a complete flop either so it must have done something right. The question is - how do you tell which actors effected what?
Yep.
I don't know, but Hollywood sure isn't interested in finding out.
dk make sure he can cross the threshold of your abode uninvited
if he insists on staying outside until you invite him in you might have an unseelie/vampire/dark gundam on your hands and you should put cold iron/blessed wood/your love, your anger, and all of your sorrow through him posthaste welcome him warmly
these examples are awful
Both Chackie Jan and Tis Chrucker were more or less A-list or otherwise well known
Big Hero 6 was a cartoon and almost all of the marketing featured Baymax not the kid, and the kid, being a weird pixar cartoon thing wasn't really identifiable as any particular race
Jungle book is a known and loved property, aimed at kids.
Life of Pi was already well established in the popular knowledge. But it is probably the best counter example to the risk averse narrative attributed to hollywood casting motivations.
But we are also talking about a brain in a robot body to which the aforesaid brain feels no particular attachment and considers it to be of little importance, at which point "yes, but is she asian?" seems to fade into even more insignificance and cuts against one of the themes of the movie. I would deem GiTS less well known than Life of Pi and less appealing to the mniddlebrow sensibilities of the majority than a cute kid in a cgi fest playing with a tiger.
Burn it all down
and it was not terrible and more robots for more time
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Pretty much and it won't be Scarlet's fault.
If I am understanding this situation correctly, then it will be Boy George's fault.
I mean really
Edit: the issue with Hollywood is that movie financing is effectively gambling
Like it is pretty much random whether or not you will hit the jackpot
But like most inveterate gamblers the studios have a system
And like most inveterate gamblers that system is like 9/10 bullshit and confirmation bias and gamblers fallacies
I can be made, it's not impossible to make a great movie series from it. But not with what Hollywood's doing with this. The whitewashing is the least of their worries, though.
edit: They already have a blueprint with SAC, and the manga. I'd have liked this to be a co-production with Japan's film industry, get one of their top directors to fill the big chair, do a Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon on it.
I'll rephrase: Hollywood shouldn't make ghost in the shell
Or if it was interesting
I just wish they had a better independence day speech than "canceling the apocalypse"
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
It had an awesome theme though
Elba failed.
Bill Murray as Ein
mein gott @spool32
the seed is strong
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Too late.
It's also like when Activision canned some projects that had female leads. It wasn't because "Eww Cooties" or whatever, they were blindly following sales trends that had male leads, and that blind trend following looks awful from outside.
take that, authority
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Bill Murray as Pikachu
...also perhaps related: I just watched At World's End and I liked it
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
And not cast Brock
going through the logs, it turns out certain predictions were made:
this white privilege...
How about I throw in Paul Heymann because let's face not even WWE trusts Brock to talk
That dude is alright in my book I tell you hwat
Actually I feel like this was precisely how MIB and the Jump Street franchises crossed over
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
To me, Kid Rock looks like a cross between an actual homosapien and the kind of grease stain off-brand SPAM-style products would leave on motel room sheets
@Cinders I have night sweats as well sometimes. No idea why.
This post is creepy and gross