Imagine how terrible Die Hard, Breaking Bad, Inception, the Hunger Games, and Guardians of the Galaxy would have been if they had just casted pencilneck twerps from TV sitcoms in the lead roles
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Also you know what's a big giant counter example to the idea that a movie can't be a success with an unknown asian actor in the lead? The new Jungle Book, which is raking in dough and stars an unknown Indian-American actor
Yeah, but I mean it also has Bill Fucking Murray, Idris Elba, Scarjo, Ben Kingsley, Christopher Walken, and Lupita Nyong'o.
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simonwolfi can feel a differencetoday, a differenceRegistered Userregular
Yeah, I listened to that video and it is this situation where I'm going "okay yes you're saying some good things but you are coming to the wrong conclusion"
his blaming of a nebulous (and therefore impossible to contest) concept of "culture" being the real bête noire the most egregious aspect
Also you know what's a big giant counter example to the idea that a movie can't be a success with an unknown asian actor in the lead? The new Jungle Book, which is raking in dough and stars an unknown Indian-American actor
but then it loses points for deviating from its source material
not racist enough
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Imagine how terrible Die Hard, Breaking Bad, Inception, the Hunger Games, and Guardians of the Galaxy would have been if they had just casted pencilneck twerps from TV sitcoms in the lead roles
Will Smith ought to do a Blazing Saddles remake except it's even more transparently a hollywood skewering this time around somehow
Eddy on
"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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Is jungle book anything to do with Tarzan.I think I may have just come across one of those long-lived lies from my parents
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I just watched the trailer and I admit I'm biased because the 1994 live action version was a huge part of my childhood, but god damn do I hate CGI lipsynch on live action animals.
Also you know what's a big giant counter example to the idea that a movie can't be a success with an unknown asian actor in the lead? The new Jungle Book, which is raking in dough and stars an unknown Indian-American actor
Yeah, but I mean it also has Bill Fucking Murray, Idris Elba, Scarjo, Ben Kingsley, Christopher Walken, and Lupita Nyong'o.
Sure, but they aren't the lead and their faces aren't on the posters, plus I don't think there would be nearly as much backlash if the Ghost in the Shell movie had an asian lead but a couple of a-list non-asian people as side characters.
"Hollywood can't cast an asian in the lead for this big film because there are no asian a-listers in hollywood"
AND WHO'S FAULT IS THAT EXACTLY
Because an action franchise can't survive without an a-list action star at the helm
Just like how Hugh Jackman, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Daisy Ridley, and John Boyega were all well known action stars before taking up their respective costumes
I don't disagree with you, but only two of those actors were carrying the main headlining weight for their initial appearances
Hugh Jackman initially didn't have to mean shit when you had Halle Berry, Patrick Stewart and Ian MacKellan as well as the property's name on the poster. Daisy-chan and John Boyega were in MOTHERFUCKING STAR WARS
This was both good and bad, yes it was very strong brand but wasn't near it's peak before the movie hit theaters. The promotions and the movie itself went along way to boost support after the prequels. Plus it had Han, Leia and Luke in it.
Also you know what's a big giant counter example to the idea that a movie can't be a success with an unknown asian actor in the lead? The new Jungle Book, which is raking in dough and stars an unknown Indian-American actor
Yeah, but I mean it also has Bill Fucking Murray, Idris Elba, Scarjo, Ben Kingsley, Christopher Walken, and Lupita Nyong'o.
Sure, but they aren't the lead and their faces aren't on the posters, plus I don't think there would be nearly as much backlash if the Ghost in the Shell movie had an asiaMn lead but a couple of a-list non-asian people as side characters.
I agree they should and could have found an Asian actress, I just think that's a bad example. There are very few 12 year olds that are already famous. :P
Studio execs get kicked out if they do something goes wrong wrong and their movie loses money
This is kinda tough because sometimes the public is random as fuck, or sometimes you're just stuck with a shitty movie
So you gotta say at that big meeting that hey, you did everything you could to make it a success
Famous actors doing voices really seems to have pretty much zero effect on the success of a kids movie. The little kids don't care and the parents aren't there to hear some famous person collecting a paycheck in the first place. Yet they keep tossing millions of dollars for big name actors to do voice acting, because by god if your movie flops you'd better be able to explain why it's not your casting that's the fault.
It's the same with casting minority and unknown actors. Probably plenty of hollywood producers would be willing to privately talk about the issues with casting in Hollywood. But until they start thinking it's going to affect the money they're going to keep doing the same thing on purpose.
So I don't really think Hollywood is racist, and I don't really blame any particular movie for just trusting in inertia with its casting, even when that inertia is blatant whitewashing. But I also advocate burning a movie or two at the stake for doing it, so that there's an actual demonstration of "why should we change?"
It's the system's fault, but since nobody is actually in charge of the system acknowledging that alone isn't going to get anything to change.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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I think VH is staying at my apartment for a night. What's the etiquette for cooking and eating a guest? Like, do I have to actually exhaust all other food options first or just the major protein sources?
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I just want to be a good host.
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I got no doubt that all the people responsible for hiring a white lady to play a character named Kusanagi feel like they're the victims of circumstance. 'Oh, we're not racist, it's just, you know, the general public isn't ready'...
But here's the thing, Hollywood - you're part of this world.
It's the same with casting minority and unknown actors. Probably plenty of hollywood producers would be willing to privately talk about the issues with casting in Hollywood. But until they start thinking it's going to affect the money they're going to keep doing the same thing on purpose.
So I don't really think Hollywood is racist, and I don't really blame any particular movie for just trusting in inertia with its casting, even when that inertia is blatant whitewashing. But I also advocate burning a movie or two at the stake for doing it, so that there's an actual demonstration of "why should we change?"
While there is truth to what you're saying Hollywood isn't immune to racism, whether it's overt or passive. Various factors tie into this, from denial that there is a problem to stupidity to cronyism to plain ol' racism. If it was about money this issue would be solved ages ago, or be less of a issue whenever minority leads have success - but nothing changes. The results end up not being enough when the goal posts move or dismissed entirely and we're back to status quo. This is immensely difficult to solve since it's entrenched everywhere and the leaders aren't in any rush to change anything because they like exactly how the system works. Demonstrations mean nothing in this environment, otherwise we'd be having a lot more progress.
It's the system's fault, but since nobody is actually in charge of the system acknowledging that alone isn't going to get anything to change.
There's plenty of people in charge of the system, and they're the ones perpetuating the problem rather than fixing it.
Studio execs get kicked out if they do something goes wrong wrong and their movie loses money
This is kinda tough because sometimes the public is random as fuck, or sometimes you're just stuck with a shitty movie
So you gotta say at that big meeting that hey, you did everything you could to make it a success
Famous actors doing voices really seems to have pretty much zero effect on the success of a kids movie. The little kids don't care and the parents aren't there to hear some famous person collecting a paycheck in the first place. Yet they keep tossing millions of dollars for big name actors to do voice acting, because by god if your movie flops you'd better be able to explain why it's not your casting that's the fault.
It's the same with casting minority and unknown actors. Probably plenty of hollywood producers would be willing to privately talk about the issues with casting in Hollywood. But until they start thinking it's going to affect the money they're going to keep doing the same thing on purpose.
So I don't really think Hollywood is racist, and I don't really blame any particular movie for just trusting in inertia with its casting, even when that inertia is blatant whitewashing. But I also advocate burning a movie or two at the stake for doing it, so that there's an actual demonstration of "why should we change?"
It's the system's fault, but since nobody is actually in charge of the system acknowledging that alone isn't going to get anything to change.
Organizational inertia and racism aren't exactly the same thing, but they're frequent bedfellows.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
I got no doubt that all the people responsible for hiring a white lady to play a character named Kusanagi feel like they're the victims of circumstance. 'Oh, we're not racist, it's just, you know, the general public isn't ready'...
But here's the thing, Hollywood - you're part of this world.
And you got a responsibility to make it better.
I promise you that Ghost in the Shell would have a near-zero percent chance of making any kind of worthwhile money if Rinko Kikuchi were cast as the Major
I'm personally deeply invested in seeing more major films with non-white leads, and I've been called an idealist
But I'm not a blind idealist
Hollywood is racist, but so are audiences
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I promise you that Ghost in the Shell would have a near-zero percent chance of making any kind of worthwhile money if Rinko Kikuchi were cast as the Major
I'm personally deeply invested in seeing more major films with non-white leads, and I've been called an idealist
This is why films with obscure main stars have a list actors in supporting roles. And it's not like Charlie Hunnam was getting seats filled with his presence, but I'm sure he made the investors feel comfy.
But I'm not a blind idealist
Hollywood is racist, but so are audiences
Not as much as they think, and they're not powerless to convert audiences.
I promise you that Ghost in the Shell would have a near-zero percent chance of making any kind of worthwhile money if Rinko Kikuchi were cast as the Major
I'm personally deeply invested in seeing more major films with non-white leads, and I've been called an idealist
But I'm not a blind idealist
Hollywood is racist, but so are audiences
I mean there's no way to definitely prove this one or another...
But look at the success of Rush Hour, a movie with no white people on the poster
Look at Big Hero 6, a movie with an asian lead character
The new Jungle Book, like I said
Life of Pi
The general public is prejudiced, no doubt, but I think they're always much more ready to see movies starring minorities than Hollywood gives them credit for
I promise you that Ghost in the Shell would have a near-zero percent chance of making any kind of worthwhile money if Rinko Kikuchi were cast as the Major
I'm personally deeply invested in seeing more major films with non-white leads, and I've been called an idealist
This is why films with obscure main stars have a list actors in supporting roles. And it's not like Charlie Hunnam was getting seats filled with his presence, but I'm sure he made the investors feel comfy.
But I'm not a blind idealist
Hollywood is racist, but so are audiences
Not as much as they think, and they're not powerless to convert audiences.
That's correct!
Neither did Rinko Kikuchi, Idris Elba, Ron Perlman, or giant fuckoff robots!
And I'd be willing to bet that swapping Elba and Hunnam in a production with that kind of cost would've been laughed at
And I'd also be willing to bet that a Pacific Rim with Elba as the lead would've made even less at the box office
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I keep falling in love with John Boyega in the Star Wars. The scene where he's all like, "Hear that. I'm in charge" with the head shake and everything. So many laughs.
I promise you that Ghost in the Shell would have a near-zero percent chance of making any kind of worthwhile money if Rinko Kikuchi were cast as the Major
I'm personally deeply invested in seeing more major films with non-white leads, and I've been called an idealist
But I'm not a blind idealist
Hollywood is racist, but so are audiences
I mean there's no way to definitely prove this one or another...
But look at the success of Rush Hour, a movie with no white people on the poster
Look at Big Hero 6, a movie with an asian lead character
The new Jungle Book, like I said
Life of Pi
The general public is prejudiced, no doubt, but I think they're always much more ready to see movies starring minorities than Hollywood gives them credit for
Rush Hour: comedy, people feel comfortable laughing at brown folks
Big Hero Six: animated characters aren't people
Jungle Book: child, doesn't count
Life of Pi: got me there. I didn't realize it actually made money, I thought critics just jizzed all over about it
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the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
his blaming of a nebulous (and therefore impossible to contest) concept of "culture" being the real bête noire the most egregious aspect
Will Smith ought to do a Blazing Saddles remake except it's even more transparently a hollywood skewering this time around somehow
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
This was both good and bad, yes it was very strong brand but wasn't near it's peak before the movie hit theaters. The promotions and the movie itself went along way to boost support after the prequels. Plus it had Han, Leia and Luke in it.
No.
Not really. Different authors, different genres, some similar themes. Tarzan was likely partly inspired by Jungle Book.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
*queues it up to watch again*
This is kinda tough because sometimes the public is random as fuck, or sometimes you're just stuck with a shitty movie
So you gotta say at that big meeting that hey, you did everything you could to make it a success
Famous actors doing voices really seems to have pretty much zero effect on the success of a kids movie. The little kids don't care and the parents aren't there to hear some famous person collecting a paycheck in the first place. Yet they keep tossing millions of dollars for big name actors to do voice acting, because by god if your movie flops you'd better be able to explain why it's not your casting that's the fault.
It's the same with casting minority and unknown actors. Probably plenty of hollywood producers would be willing to privately talk about the issues with casting in Hollywood. But until they start thinking it's going to affect the money they're going to keep doing the same thing on purpose.
So I don't really think Hollywood is racist, and I don't really blame any particular movie for just trusting in inertia with its casting, even when that inertia is blatant whitewashing. But I also advocate burning a movie or two at the stake for doing it, so that there's an actual demonstration of "why should we change?"
It's the system's fault, but since nobody is actually in charge of the system acknowledging that alone isn't going to get anything to change.
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that shot is so cool
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Just think, you have all this time to come up with a few of your own, now
But here's the thing, Hollywood - you're part of this world.
And you got a responsibility to make it better.
While there is truth to what you're saying Hollywood isn't immune to racism, whether it's overt or passive. Various factors tie into this, from denial that there is a problem to stupidity to cronyism to plain ol' racism. If it was about money this issue would be solved ages ago, or be less of a issue whenever minority leads have success - but nothing changes. The results end up not being enough when the goal posts move or dismissed entirely and we're back to status quo. This is immensely difficult to solve since it's entrenched everywhere and the leaders aren't in any rush to change anything because they like exactly how the system works. Demonstrations mean nothing in this environment, otherwise we'd be having a lot more progress.
There's plenty of people in charge of the system, and they're the ones perpetuating the problem rather than fixing it.
Organizational inertia and racism aren't exactly the same thing, but they're frequent bedfellows.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I want to see if this washcloth thing is endemic across whites of all regions and sizes
But to indirectly answer your question I believe the ancient tenet of guest right only comes into effect once you offer him salt and bread
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I promise you that Ghost in the Shell would have a near-zero percent chance of making any kind of worthwhile money if Rinko Kikuchi were cast as the Major
I'm personally deeply invested in seeing more major films with non-white leads, and I've been called an idealist
But I'm not a blind idealist
Hollywood is racist, but so are audiences
I think it is probably my fault
This is why films with obscure main stars have a list actors in supporting roles. And it's not like Charlie Hunnam was getting seats filled with his presence, but I'm sure he made the investors feel comfy.
Not as much as they think, and they're not powerless to convert audiences.
You know what to do.
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aaaahhhhhhhhhhh
But look at the success of Rush Hour, a movie with no white people on the poster
Look at Big Hero 6, a movie with an asian lead character
The new Jungle Book, like I said
Life of Pi
The general public is prejudiced, no doubt, but I think they're always much more ready to see movies starring minorities than Hollywood gives them credit for
Best Sanrio character
She had my vote
*smokes a dank nugg of Lyotard and Baudrillard*
That's correct!
Neither did Rinko Kikuchi, Idris Elba, Ron Perlman, or giant fuckoff robots!
And I'd be willing to bet that swapping Elba and Hunnam in a production with that kind of cost would've been laughed at
And I'd also be willing to bet that a Pacific Rim with Elba as the lead would've made even less at the box office
Rush Hour: comedy, people feel comfortable laughing at brown folks
Big Hero Six: animated characters aren't people
Jungle Book: child, doesn't count
Life of Pi: got me there. I didn't realize it actually made money, I thought critics just jizzed all over about it