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[The Olympics] Rio 2016! (Maybe)

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  • kaidkaid Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Curling is fun to watch but I don't know how you do it as a hobby without an ice rink just laying around. Horseshoes and cornhole are both somewhat similar, but don't require a huge patch of ice.

    Or a team.

    ...or sobriety (which explains why there's still yelling)

    Actually depends where you live. There are a number of ice clubs in my city that have year round curling leagues of all skills. It is one of those things that you probably would be surprised that you could do if you looked around enough.

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Asharad wrote: »

    There's a reason it's called chess on ice!

    Next winter Olympics I am going to make this reference until it drives my children crazy.

    "KIDS! Curling is on! It's like chess on ice!"

    after a particularly good...whatever...


    "What a shot! That's why they call this chess on ice!"

    Or the next time they play chess:

    "What a masterful en passant! That's why they call this curling on a board!"

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    I do want to see mixed martial arts in the Olympics.

    If only to say that all the events of the ancient Games are represented.

    Makes more sense than golf.

    Golf as an Olympic sport isn't fundamentally different than something like skiing (with a specific non-standard course) or archery (with its focus on using a specific tool).

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    What is the deal with fencing, are they gonna fix that whole gamesmanship fake a victory yell to pretend you got the point crap that makes everyone deserve to be punched? Is that korean lady who was robbed in London going to just show up and whap the judges with her sword like a nun punishing kids? I would think all the fencers would be there because it's the one sport where you're protected from mosquitoes.

  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    kaid wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Curling is fun to watch but I don't know how you do it as a hobby without an ice rink just laying around. Horseshoes and cornhole are both somewhat similar, but don't require a huge patch of ice.

    Or a team.

    ...or sobriety (which explains why there's still yelling)

    Actually depends where you live. There are a number of ice clubs in my city that have year round curling leagues of all skills. It is one of those things that you probably would be surprised that you could do if you looked around enough.

    My local curling club has hosted the world curling championships, has won the mens USA championship a few times,and has dominated the womens side for a decade.

    My local club is quite intimidating.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Yeah, well my (ex girlfriend's) local curling club had a member that refused to leave his lawn chair while participating.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    What is the deal with fencing, are they gonna fix that whole gamesmanship fake a victory yell to pretend you got the point crap that makes everyone deserve to be punched? Is that korean lady who was robbed in London going to just show up and whap the judges with her sword like a nun punishing kids? I would think all the fencers would be there because it's the one sport where you're protected from mosquitoes.

    Context?

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  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

    Now instead of Cold War political boycotts, we get IOC corruption to the point where attending the games is risking your life.

    Not sure which is better.

    Zika is not a life-threatening disease. You just get kinda sick and then your future children are at a higher risk of microencephalopathy forever. Which sucks (don't get me wrong), but it isn't ebola.

    That seems a pretty callous point of view, to me.

    Areas where zika is endemic have seen significant increases in microencephalopathy. In the given example, the number for an entire state in Brazil went from 10 to 141. Again, this is bad, but it isn't ebola or a fucking Children of Men "no more babies" apocalypse.

    To answer my own question from earlier, the CDC currently believes that women cannot pass zika to future babies once the virus is cleared from their bloodstream. They also go on to say that based on similar viruses, you are likely immune after the first infection.

    Adding to what a5ehren said, Zika comes from central Africa, and in those areas where it is native, people catch it and get over it in childhood, long before childbearing years. It doesn't cause issues there. Absolute worst case scenario of it going everywhere isn't going to wipe out humanity, but in the short run I can definitely understand why an Olympic cyclist with a pregnant wife decided not to go.

    Man, I can imagine the guilt trips this kid would get any time he got in trouble...

    "I gave up my chance to get an Olympic medal to keep you safe...."
    You never would've gotten a medal anyway dad!

  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    kaid wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Curling is fun to watch but I don't know how you do it as a hobby without an ice rink just laying around. Horseshoes and cornhole are both somewhat similar, but don't require a huge patch of ice.

    Or a team.

    ...or sobriety (which explains why there's still yelling)

    Actually depends where you live. There are a number of ice clubs in my city that have year round curling leagues of all skills. It is one of those things that you probably would be surprised that you could do if you looked around enough.

    What's an ice club?

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    kaid wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Curling is fun to watch but I don't know how you do it as a hobby without an ice rink just laying around. Horseshoes and cornhole are both somewhat similar, but don't require a huge patch of ice.

    Or a team.

    ...or sobriety (which explains why there's still yelling)

    Actually depends where you live. There are a number of ice clubs in my city that have year round curling leagues of all skills. It is one of those things that you probably would be surprised that you could do if you looked around enough.

    What's an ice club?

    About 4.75.

    Wait...

  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    It's like an ice pick but less subtle.

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  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    gjaustin wrote: »
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    As much as I like gymnastics, figure skating, synchronized diving, etc, the Spock inside of me wishes they weren't in the Olympics.

    I like sports that are verifiably, objectively mesurable. Yes, the judging sports have very strict guidelines, but there's always room for bias, and that can make a big difference, just like 1 millisecond can make for a runner.

    From what I've heard non-Olympic gymnastics is like this already.

    Personally, I'm of the opinion that it's a sport only if
    a) It's physically challenging.
    b) Objectively measurable.

    Figure skating fits a but not b, so not a sport. Chess fits b but not a, so not a sport. Football (both real and American) fit both a and b, so a sport (needing a ref does not invalidate point b).

    This does not mean that non-sports aren't fun to do, fun to watch or require truly insane amounts of skill and effort to excel in, it just means I don't think it's a sport. I'm aware that not everyone agrees with my definition, though.

    Boxing would also be disqualified. Just like figure skating, fight decisions depend a LOT on subjective judgements on style, skill and punches thrown/landed (and what counts as each). If the other person doesn't just go down or get beaten like a pinata, then there's a good chance a decision is going to be as controversial and biased as figure skating.
    I could come up with a subjective scoring system for soccer, but that wouldn't stop it from having an objective measurement.

    There's a fundamental difference between using a scoring system to try and forecast the objective end state (i.e. which fighter would eventually win by K.O. if the match continued) and a purely subjective activity (i.e. artistic merit in figure skating).

    Tell that to Roy Jones Jr.

    Hehe, googling that actually provided me evidence I'm correct. After that fiasco they switched to a system based on the number of punches landed - an objective system.

    They only recently switched back to a subjective system (20+ years later) in order to use the same scoring as professional boxing.

    And that's because they want pro fighters to be able to compete in the Olympics.

  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    What is the deal with fencing, are they gonna fix that whole gamesmanship fake a victory yell to pretend you got the point crap that makes everyone deserve to be punched? Is that korean lady who was robbed in London going to just show up and whap the judges with her sword like a nun punishing kids? I would think all the fencers would be there because it's the one sport where you're protected from mosquitoes.

    That's an unfortunate result of point tag based scoring systems. You see it in Sport Krotty all the time.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Yeah, well my (ex girlfriend's) local curling club had a member that refused to leave his lawn chair while participating.

    Now that's an olympic sport!

    *awards lawnchair man the Bartolo Colon Medal for Nonathletic Athletes*

  • AsharadAsharad Registered User regular
    Asharad wrote: »

    There's a reason it's called chess on ice!

    Next winter Olympics I am going to make this reference until it drives my children crazy.

    "KIDS! Curling is on! It's like chess on ice!"

    after a particularly good...whatever...


    "What a shot! That's why they call this chess on ice!"

    Or the next time they play chess:

    "What a masterful en passant! That's why they call this curling on a board!"

    Holy hell, that's even better.

    We actually have a chess set in the living room. I'm going to with the curling references now so by the time we get to the next Winter Olympics, the change up will be even MORE annoying.

    You are a genius.

  • AsharadAsharad Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    kaid wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Curling is fun to watch but I don't know how you do it as a hobby without an ice rink just laying around. Horseshoes and cornhole are both somewhat similar, but don't require a huge patch of ice.

    Or a team.

    ...or sobriety (which explains why there's still yelling)

    Actually depends where you live. There are a number of ice clubs in my city that have year round curling leagues of all skills. It is one of those things that you probably would be surprised that you could do if you looked around enough.

    What's an ice club?

    First weapon you would get in Everfrost Peaks if you started a barbarian in the original EQ.

    There is actually an ice rink right by my house. I just look and they don't have curling. Why even bother paying the air conditioning bill, people?

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    What is the deal with fencing, are they gonna fix that whole gamesmanship fake a victory yell to pretend you got the point crap that makes everyone deserve to be punched? Is that korean lady who was robbed in London going to just show up and whap the judges with her sword like a nun punishing kids? I would think all the fencers would be there because it's the one sport where you're protected from mosquitoes.

    That's an unfortunate result of point tag based scoring systems. You see it in Sport Krotty all the time.

    Obv they should just switch to epee.

  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    "Sport Krotty"?

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    "Sport Krotty"?

    I'm guessing "sport karate".

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  • GONG-00GONG-00 Registered User regular
    Concerning fencing, it just seems odd to me that the emphasis is on striking first to the point of leaving the duelist open to their opponent's attack. It just doesn't seem to be an effective technique if both parties end up getting stabbed in the process regardless of whom "scores" first.

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    "Sport Krotty"?

    I'm guessing "sport karate".

    Ahah! It works correctly when you say it aloud. :D

  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Asharad wrote: »
    Asharad wrote: »

    There's a reason it's called chess on ice!

    Next winter Olympics I am going to make this reference until it drives my children crazy.

    "KIDS! Curling is on! It's like chess on ice!"

    after a particularly good...whatever...


    "What a shot! That's why they call this chess on ice!"

    Or the next time they play chess:

    "What a masterful en passant! That's why they call this curling on a board!"

    Holy hell, that's even better.

    We actually have a chess set in the living room. I'm going to with the curling references now so by the time we get to the next Winter Olympics, the change up will be even MORE annoying.

    You are a genius.

    Are you going to slap pieces out of their hand if they try to move them by picking them up?

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  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    GONG-00 wrote: »
    Concerning fencing, it just seems odd to me that the emphasis is on striking first to the point of leaving the duelist open to their opponent's attack. It just doesn't seem to be an effective technique if both parties end up getting stabbed in the process regardless of whom "scores" first.

    Depends on which form you're watching. Epee awards hits, no matter who was first. Foil and Sabre have the right-of-attack rules (which is a bit more complicated than hitting first), but like all martial artists the competitive form is quite different from any practical form.

    And of course, fencing came from dueling where fights were till first blood, so you can see how those rules evolved.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    GONG-00 wrote: »
    Concerning fencing, it just seems odd to me that the emphasis is on striking first to the point of leaving the duelist open to their opponent's attack. It just doesn't seem to be an effective technique if both parties end up getting stabbed in the process regardless of whom "scores" first.

    Foil fencing has some weird right-of-way rules that end with the sort of matches you're talking about. Sabre is more aggressive and can be a bit more fun to watch.

    Epee is civilization.

  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    Depends, I practice sabre myself and find it fun to do, but terrible to watch as any match I saw the last few years just seems to be double attacks all the time with very very rarely an attempt to parry.

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  • AsharadAsharad Registered User regular
    Ilpala wrote: »
    Asharad wrote: »
    Asharad wrote: »

    There's a reason it's called chess on ice!

    Next winter Olympics I am going to make this reference until it drives my children crazy.

    "KIDS! Curling is on! It's like chess on ice!"

    after a particularly good...whatever...


    "What a shot! That's why they call this chess on ice!"

    Or the next time they play chess:

    "What a masterful en passant! That's why they call this curling on a board!"

    Holy hell, that's even better.

    We actually have a chess set in the living room. I'm going to with the curling references now so by the time we get to the next Winter Olympics, the change up will be even MORE annoying.

    You are a genius.

    Are you going to slap pieces out of their hand if they try to move them by picking them up?

    With a broom!

  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Essentially, for fencing, the right-of-way rule is a way of simulating the fact that the original form was to the death, and you don't want to actually die, so you have to defend yourself.

    Thus, when someone launches an attack first (gaining right-of-way), the attacked party has to save their own life by defending against the attack (by parrying it, avoiding it entirely, etc.) before they can counterattack their opponent.

    Epee comes more from the "to first blood" time of dueling, during which a minor nick anywhere was sufficient to end the duel. Therefore, the whole body is a valid target, unlike foil or saber, for which only a killing shot is considered sufficient to score a point, and you don't need to defend yourself as intently, so no right-of-way.

    Saber has cavalry roots, hence the focus on hitting above the waist - don't want to waste your time stabbing horses or saddles instead of riders!

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  • GONG-00GONG-00 Registered User regular
    Thanks for the clarification about fencing types.

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Asharad wrote: »
    Asharad wrote: »

    There's a reason it's called chess on ice!

    Next winter Olympics I am going to make this reference until it drives my children crazy.

    "KIDS! Curling is on! It's like chess on ice!"

    after a particularly good...whatever...


    "What a shot! That's why they call this chess on ice!"

    Or the next time they play chess:

    "What a masterful en passant! That's why they call this curling on a board!"

    Holy hell, that's even better.

    We actually have a chess set in the living room. I'm going to with the curling references now so by the time we get to the next Winter Olympics, the change up will be even MORE annoying.

    You are a genius.

    this is some good-ass parenting

  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    What is the deal with fencing, are they gonna fix that whole gamesmanship fake a victory yell to pretend you got the point crap that makes everyone deserve to be punched? Is that korean lady who was robbed in London going to just show up and whap the judges with her sword like a nun punishing kids? I would think all the fencers would be there because it's the one sport where you're protected from mosquitoes.

    That's an unfortunate result of point tag based scoring systems. You see it in Sport Krotty all the time.

    Obv they should just switch to epee.

    I didn't mean just the doubling or the subjectivity, but also specifically the yelling. At least in sport karate, and other point fighting systems, it's really prevalent because part of the scoring is appearing to have struck an effective hit without too much force. It's also an artifact of sport karate and American Kickboxing roots in no contact sparring competition in the 60's.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    What is the deal with fencing, are they gonna fix that whole gamesmanship fake a victory yell to pretend you got the point crap that makes everyone deserve to be punched? Is that korean lady who was robbed in London going to just show up and whap the judges with her sword like a nun punishing kids? I would think all the fencers would be there because it's the one sport where you're protected from mosquitoes.

    Context?

    Ill find more videos if I can but basically korean lady won or held off her opponent or something but the clock kept running and she lost and sat on stage going WTF, and the IOC didn't do shit because of course not their deadbeats.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpGsyZ20Cmc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZtSp4CBso4

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    I remember that stuff from 2012 since I fell down a fencing hole. I felt horrible for her since I don't really understand the rules but I understand clocks.

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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    Also, it seemed like something they had evidence for and the opportunity to overturn.

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Saber has cavalry roots, hence the focus on hitting above the waist - don't want to waste your time stabbing horses or saddles instead of riders!

    Then why the flip aren't the fencers on horseback? Borrow some dressage horses, or if the posh people won't share, get some mechanical bulls

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Saber has cavalry roots, hence the focus on hitting above the waist - don't want to waste your time stabbing horses or saddles instead of riders!

    Then why the flip aren't the fencers on horseback? Borrow some dressage horses, or if the posh people won't share, get some mechanical bulls

    This is something I never knew I wanted.

  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Saber has cavalry roots, hence the focus on hitting above the waist - don't want to waste your time stabbing horses or saddles instead of riders!

    Then why the flip aren't the fencers on horseback? Borrow some dressage horses, or if the posh people won't share, get some mechanical bulls

    We've suggested it to the horse riding team at university several times. They never went for it.

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    I guess after that confusion with water polo, they became less interested in experimenting

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    I suppose the American version would be shooting from horseback.

  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    What the Olympics really needs is horseback archery, because that stuff is totally awesome.

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  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Summer Biathlon?

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