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AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered User regular
Okay here we go. No goosery. Be cool, like Fonzie.

And let's start with this tidbit:


Trump donates $100k to Louisiana anti-LGBT group for "flood relief"
The church, Greenwell Springs Baptist Church, is working to coordinate volunteers and help victims of the August 2016 catastrophic floods caused by prolonged rainfall. Tony Perkins, who is president of the Family Research Council (FRC), an anti-gay lobbying group, is serving as the interim pastor of that church.

Some web sites, including the LGBT-oriented publication The Advocate and the New Civil Rights Movement, linked Trump's church donation with Perkins' anti-gay political activity and pointed to the church's Statement on Marriage and Sexuality, which calls homosexuality a "form of sexual immorality." The church, according to its constitution, makes all employees and volunteers sign a statement to that effect.

It remains unclear whether Donald Trump has yet made the reported donation. On 21 August 2016 the church posted on their Facebook page to say that Trump is "sending a financial contribution" to them.

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    A++ Thread title.

    Tingleriffic.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Okay here we go. No goosery. Be cool, like Fonzie.

    Not uncool, like Chachi.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I was listening to Jill Stein's press conference at the National Press Club, and good lord. I had never heard her speak and she is either extremely cynical, or kind of an idiot.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I was listening to Jill Stein's press conference at the National Press Club, and good lord. I had never heard her speak and she is either extremely cynical, or kind of an idiot.

    Why not both?

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    I'm catching up on the stuff Trump said yesterday while trying to "reach out" to black voters. It certainly didn't take him long to start wandering off his teleprompter again, which makes me a lot more relieved than I'd realised I'd be.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I was listening to Jill Stein's press conference at the National Press Club, and good lord. I had never heard her speak and she is either extremely cynical, or kind of an idiot.

    Yes.

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    AbsalonAbsalon Lands of Always WinterRegistered User regular
    edited August 2016
    From last thread
    RedOakStrategic (B+ according to 538) - apparently this is a Google Survey.
    18th-19th, national

    Clinton 55
    Trump 45

    Clinton 37
    Trump 30
    Johnson 10
    Other/don't know 21

    (Results among those with a preference)
    Clinton: 48%
    Trump: 39%
    Johnson: 13%

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I was listening to Jill Stein's press conference at the National Press Club, and good lord. I had never heard her speak and she is either extremely cynical, or kind of an idiot.

    She's basically the sort of "well meaning" do-gooder that flatly refuses to even try to grasp principles of group dynamics and coalition building because it would clash with her model of how the world should be.

    See also: Lessig, Laurence.

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    Anarchy Rules!Anarchy Rules! Registered User regular
    Just listened to The Inquiry podcast (examines one question in the news each week) from the BBC World Service you chaps might be interested in - 'Would Donald Trump be a dangerous president?'

    The programme comes to a somewhat unsurprising conclusion, Donald Trump would indeed be a dangerous president. The conclusion is that whilst he would most likely be an entirely lame duck president, his words alone would trigger instability in the world through worried allies and emboldened autocrats. Worth a listen, and the podcast in general is very interesting.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Dubious of any pollster with no undecideds. Methodology is probably weird because the internet?

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Single Issues, the hot new video starring Gerry Mandingo and Hung Chad

    Atomika on
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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I was listening to Jill Stein's press conference at the National Press Club, and good lord. I had never heard her speak and she is either extremely cynical, or kind of an idiot.

    She's basically the sort of "well meaning" do-gooder that flatly refuses to even try to grasp principles of group dynamics and coalition building because it would clash with her model of how the world should be.

    See also: Lessig, Laurence.

    Her model of how the world should be also seems kinda dumb.

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    NyysjanNyysjan FinlandRegistered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »

    The pledge of allegiance always seems so weird to me.
    I have never, ever, pledged allegiance to my country.
    It simply never seemed like a thing i would, or should, need to do.

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Nyysjan wrote: »
    The pledge of allegiance always seems so weird to me.
    I have never, ever, pledged allegiance to my country.
    It simply never seemed like a thing i would, or should, need to do.

    Clearly why the Communists won.[/American Public Education]

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    MrTLiciousMrTLicious Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Okay here we go. No goosery. Be cool, like Fonzie.

    And let's start with this tidbit:


    Trump donates $100k to Louisiana anti-LGBT group for "flood relief"
    The church, Greenwell Springs Baptist Church, is working to coordinate volunteers and help victims of the August 2016 catastrophic floods caused by prolonged rainfall. Tony Perkins, who is president of the Family Research Council (FRC), an anti-gay lobbying group, is serving as the interim pastor of that church.

    Some web sites, including the LGBT-oriented publication The Advocate and the New Civil Rights Movement, linked Trump's church donation with Perkins' anti-gay political activity and pointed to the church's Statement on Marriage and Sexuality, which calls homosexuality a "form of sexual immorality." The church, according to its constitution, makes all employees and volunteers sign a statement to that effect.

    It remains unclear whether Donald Trump has yet made the reported donation. On 21 August 2016 the church posted on their Facebook page to say that Trump is "sending a financial contribution" to them.

    If Trump goes back on a donation to an anti-gay group, can we still bash him for it?

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Nyysjan wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »

    The pledge of allegiance always seems so weird to me.
    I have never, ever, pledged allegiance to my country.
    It simply never seemed like a thing i would, or should, need to do.
    It seems perfectly rational to me.

    Indoctrination is an important part of education. The ritualized nature of the pledge of allegiance is a way to cement that indoctrination.

    Edit: Whether it should be an important part of education is another story, but currently a good portion of the way our education is structured is based around indoctrination of children.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Trump knows we can see him, right?

    Like, pledging support to the LGBT community and then days later donating to one of the nation's most ardent anti-gay bigots is pretty bad optics.

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Atomika wrote: »
    Trump knows we can see him, right?

    Like, pledging support to the LGBT community and then days later donating to one of the nation's most ardent anti-gay bigots is pretty bad optics.

    I mean, he has the superpower to turn invisible when no one's watching

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Trump knows we can see him, right?

    Like, pledging support to the LGBT community and then days later donating to one of the nation's most ardent anti-gay bigots is pretty bad optics.

    Not really, his followers will write it off or ignore it. It'll hurt him with everybody else, of course.

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    wazillawazilla Having a late dinner Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Trump knows we can see him, right?

    Like, pledging support to the LGBT community and then days later donating to one of the nation's most ardent anti-gay bigots is pretty bad optics.

    Not really, his followers will write it off celebrate or ignore it. It'll hurt him with everybody else, of course.

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Trump knows we can see him, right?

    Like, pledging support to the LGBT community and then days later donating to one of the nation's most ardent anti-gay bigots is pretty bad optics.

    I mean, he has the superpower to turn invisible when no one's watching

    With how public his life has been....how would he know?

    Woa.

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Just listened to The Inquiry podcast (examines one question in the news each week) from the BBC World Service you chaps might be interested in - 'Would Donald Trump be a dangerous president?'

    The programme comes to a somewhat unsurprising conclusion, Donald Trump would indeed be a dangerous president. The conclusion is that whilst he would most likely be an entirely lame duck president, his words alone would trigger instability in the world through worried allies and emboldened autocrats. Worth a listen, and the podcast in general is very interesting.

    I don't really see how people keep coming to this conclusion. If Trump wins it will also likely mean that Republicans maintain control of the House and Senate, and would walk into the Oval Office with a vacancy already in the Supreme Court and the ability to confirm pretty much whoever they want.

    They would effectively have control over all three branches of government, how this translates to Trump being a "lame duck" I do not comprehend.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Trump knows we can see him, right?

    Like, pledging support to the LGBT community and then days later donating to one of the nation's most ardent anti-gay bigots is pretty bad optics.

    I mean, he has the superpower to turn invisible when no one's watching

    he has the best superpowers, everyone is always telling him how great his superpowers are, nobody has better powers

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    a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Nyysjan wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »

    The pledge of allegiance always seems so weird to me.
    I have never, ever, pledged allegiance to my country.
    It simply never seemed like a thing i would, or should, need to do.

    American Nationalism is a strange and very deeply ingrained thing. We have a different relationship to it than Europeans do.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    From last thread
    RedOakStrategic (B+ according to 538) - apparently this is a Google Survey.
    18th-19th, national

    Clinton 55
    Trump 45

    Clinton 37
    Trump 30
    Johnson 10
    Other/don't know 21

    (Results among those with a preference)
    Clinton: 48%
    Trump: 39%
    Johnson: 13%

    The numbers with leaners makes a bit more sense. I think Johnson will fade both due to normal 3rd party stuff and as his actual platform gets out (repeal of income tax, no regulations to combat climate change, and massive social welfare cuts on one side, essentially full amnesty for undocumented immigrants, social issues and pro-choice on the other, plus completely unfettered free trade for populist wings on both sides).

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    From last thread
    RedOakStrategic (B+ according to 538) - apparently this is a Google Survey.
    18th-19th, national

    Clinton 55
    Trump 45

    Clinton 37
    Trump 30
    Johnson 10
    Other/don't know 21

    (Results among those with a preference)
    Clinton: 48%
    Trump: 39%
    Johnson: 13%

    The numbers with leaners makes a bit more sense. I think Johnson will fade both due to normal 3rd party stuff and as his actual platform gets out (repeal of income tax, no regulations to combat climate change, and massive social welfare cuts on one side, essentially full amnesty for undocumented immigrants, social issues and pro-choice on the other, plus completely unfettered free trade for populist wings on both sides).
    Ayn Rand would have his babies.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Just listened to The Inquiry podcast (examines one question in the news each week) from the BBC World Service you chaps might be interested in - 'Would Donald Trump be a dangerous president?'

    The programme comes to a somewhat unsurprising conclusion, Donald Trump would indeed be a dangerous president. The conclusion is that whilst he would most likely be an entirely lame duck president, his words alone would trigger instability in the world through worried allies and emboldened autocrats. Worth a listen, and the podcast in general is very interesting.

    I don't really see how people keep coming to this conclusion. If Trump wins it will also likely mean that Republicans maintain control of the House and Senate, and would walk into the Oval Office with a vacancy already in the Supreme Court and the ability to confirm pretty much whoever they want.

    They would effectively have control over all three branches of government, how this translates to Trump being a "lame duck" I do not comprehend.

    It only makes sense if you ignore that the "establishment" GOP doesn't control things in any real way even in Congress. And certainly wouldn't with a President Trump

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    I mean, he's probably not actually going to donate the money, but a church that doesn't like gays can still spend donations on flood relief.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Nyysjan wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »

    The pledge of allegiance always seems so weird to me.
    I have never, ever, pledged allegiance to my country.
    It simply never seemed like a thing i would, or should, need to do.

    American Nationalism is a strange and very deeply ingrained thing. We have a different relationship to it than Europeans do.

    European nationalism remains largely ethnic in foundation, while American nationalism largely relies on what Lincoln called "political religion." The Pledge is related to that.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I was listening to Jill Stein's press conference at the National Press Club, and good lord. I had never heard her speak and she is either extremely cynical, or kind of an idiot.

    She's basically the sort of "well meaning" do-gooder that flatly refuses to even try to grasp principles of group dynamics and coalition building because it would clash with her model of how the world should be.

    See also: Lessig, Laurence.

    Her model of how the world should be also seems kinda dumb.

    Yep.

    The Nib ran a longform piece about one artist's time on the trail with Stein and the Greens. And the point that caught my eye was the scene where a long time Green Party activist, in order to describe how the Green Party will succeed, brings up Mothers Against Drunk Driving.

    It is among some of the most unaware things I've read. The activist had no idea of the Faustian bargain that MADD made to achieve their goals, or how the organization has become a neo-temperance movement rejected by the original founders.

    In short, she was completely unaware of the actual politics that went on with MADD.

    Which sums up the Green Party.

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    El SkidEl Skid The frozen white northRegistered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Just listened to The Inquiry podcast (examines one question in the news each week) from the BBC World Service you chaps might be interested in - 'Would Donald Trump be a dangerous president?'

    The programme comes to a somewhat unsurprising conclusion, Donald Trump would indeed be a dangerous president. The conclusion is that whilst he would most likely be an entirely lame duck president, his words alone would trigger instability in the world through worried allies and emboldened autocrats. Worth a listen, and the podcast in general is very interesting.

    I don't really see how people keep coming to this conclusion. If Trump wins it will also likely mean that Republicans maintain control of the House and Senate, and would walk into the Oval Office with a vacancy already in the Supreme Court and the ability to confirm pretty much whoever they want.

    They would effectively have control over all three branches of government, how this translates to Trump being a "lame duck" I do not comprehend.

    The article is trying to be party-neutral. So not "Republicans are bad so Trump would be bad" (which looking at it from a party neutral point of view you can't say), but "Trump as a President- would he personally cause issues/corruption/the end of times or not?"

    I happen to agree with you that Republicans in charge of all 3 branches of government is absolutely terrifying, but that's not what they're trying to measure here.

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    ZythonZython Registered User regular
    MrTLicious wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Okay here we go. No goosery. Be cool, like Fonzie.

    And let's start with this tidbit:


    Trump donates $100k to Louisiana anti-LGBT group for "flood relief"
    The church, Greenwell Springs Baptist Church, is working to coordinate volunteers and help victims of the August 2016 catastrophic floods caused by prolonged rainfall. Tony Perkins, who is president of the Family Research Council (FRC), an anti-gay lobbying group, is serving as the interim pastor of that church.

    Some web sites, including the LGBT-oriented publication The Advocate and the New Civil Rights Movement, linked Trump's church donation with Perkins' anti-gay political activity and pointed to the church's Statement on Marriage and Sexuality, which calls homosexuality a "form of sexual immorality." The church, according to its constitution, makes all employees and volunteers sign a statement to that effect.

    It remains unclear whether Donald Trump has yet made the reported donation. On 21 August 2016 the church posted on their Facebook page to say that Trump is "sending a financial contribution" to them.

    If Trump goes back on a donation to an anti-gay group, can we still bash him for it?

    I think it's best to chalk that up as a wash.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    El Skid wrote: »
    Marathon wrote: »
    Just listened to The Inquiry podcast (examines one question in the news each week) from the BBC World Service you chaps might be interested in - 'Would Donald Trump be a dangerous president?'

    The programme comes to a somewhat unsurprising conclusion, Donald Trump would indeed be a dangerous president. The conclusion is that whilst he would most likely be an entirely lame duck president, his words alone would trigger instability in the world through worried allies and emboldened autocrats. Worth a listen, and the podcast in general is very interesting.

    I don't really see how people keep coming to this conclusion. If Trump wins it will also likely mean that Republicans maintain control of the House and Senate, and would walk into the Oval Office with a vacancy already in the Supreme Court and the ability to confirm pretty much whoever they want.

    They would effectively have control over all three branches of government, how this translates to Trump being a "lame duck" I do not comprehend.

    The article is trying to be party-neutral. So not "Republicans are bad so Trump would be bad" (which looking at it from a party neutral point of view you can't say), but "Trump as a President- would he personally cause issues/corruption/the end of times or not?"

    I happen to agree with you that Republicans in charge of all 3 branches of government is absolutely terrifying, but that's not what they're trying to measure here.

    The author should stop doing goosey things like false equivalence between the parties. A large part of why Trump would be a horrible President is because he would happily enable the GOP's id.

    You cannot separate the President from their party, because organization is the force multiplier.

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    El Skid wrote: »
    Marathon wrote: »
    Just listened to The Inquiry podcast (examines one question in the news each week) from the BBC World Service you chaps might be interested in - 'Would Donald Trump be a dangerous president?'

    The programme comes to a somewhat unsurprising conclusion, Donald Trump would indeed be a dangerous president. The conclusion is that whilst he would most likely be an entirely lame duck president, his words alone would trigger instability in the world through worried allies and emboldened autocrats. Worth a listen, and the podcast in general is very interesting.

    I don't really see how people keep coming to this conclusion. If Trump wins it will also likely mean that Republicans maintain control of the House and Senate, and would walk into the Oval Office with a vacancy already in the Supreme Court and the ability to confirm pretty much whoever they want.

    They would effectively have control over all three branches of government, how this translates to Trump being a "lame duck" I do not comprehend.

    The article is trying to be party-neutral. So not "Republicans are bad so Trump would be bad" (which looking at it from a party neutral point of view you can't say), but "Trump as a President- would he personally cause issues/corruption/the end of times or not?"

    I happen to agree with you that Republicans in charge of all 3 branches of government is absolutely terrifying, but that's not what they're trying to measure here.

    That's fine, I understand that they are trying to be neutral. But even trying to take an even handed approach you should still be able to see what the consequences of a Trump victory would be for the other branches. Even then he wouldn't be a lame duck. That's the conclusion that I have trouble with.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I think its sad I have heard a lot of stuff on Stein in the media and she has god awful numbers and yet very little of Johnson and he dwarfs her in polls. So either people know stein is garbo or because Gary Johnson has such a generic name people just choose him instead of trump/clinton.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    PantsB wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Nyysjan wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »

    The pledge of allegiance always seems so weird to me.
    I have never, ever, pledged allegiance to my country.
    It simply never seemed like a thing i would, or should, need to do.

    American Nationalism is a strange and very deeply ingrained thing. We have a different relationship to it than Europeans do.

    European nationalism remains largely ethnic in foundation, while American nationalism largely relies on what Lincoln called "political religion." The Pledge is related to that.

    I used to roll my eyes hardcore at "american nationalism" but seriously the DNC this year made me understand. I thought it was an extremely positive example of nationalism, which previously I had only thought of with negative connotations.

    edit: and I think the pledge can fit into that.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Ohio's Sherrod Brown was on the radio this morning talking about Clinton's focus on fundraising right now. The DNC should keep that guy away from any microphones. He refused to acknowledge anyone's concerns about her lack of public events vice fundraising and instead went on a nigh Trumpian diatribe about how she'll be at so many public events you'll be sick of her.

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    The Raging PlatypusThe Raging Platypus Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Ohio's Sherrod Brown was on the radio this morning talking about Clinton's focus on fundraising right now. The DNC should keep that guy away from any microphones. He refused to acknowledge anyone's concerns about her lack of public events vice fundraising and instead went on a nigh Trumpian diatribe about how she'll be at so many public events you'll be sick of her.

    Yeah, my eyebrows nearly shot through the roof when he was mentioned as a potential VP candidate. Eek.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Anyone who is that liberal and can get elected in Ohio is excused.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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