Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
It's important that the democrats don't just roll over, but give the republicans just as hard a time as the republicans would have done in the opposite scenario
I think it's important that they don't roll over, but I didn't spend the last 8 years hating the GOP for being obstructive shitheads who refuse to do their jobs to turn round and say "it's ok when my guys do it". I want us to fight this the right way, at the ballot box.
I'm almost certainly being an idealist.
I don't understand this position
if the democrats have tools to stop the GOP from eliminating the EPA, outlawing abortion, and making all prisons for-profit, they should use them
If the dems have an honest disagreement with legislation they should fight it. That isn't what Republicans did. They caught everything. I'll be happy as long as when a necessary or good bill is proposed they take it.
I agree
I just also think that there isn't going to be any good republican legislation
I think we need to get to work re-thinking progressive policy.
not to throw out ideals, but to re-learn them. to remember how to understand them outside of the lens of conservative bullshit that has been pulled over everyone's eyes. to relearn how to engage with people who are not already in progressive wheelhouse.
to dig through the decades of propaganda that "conservative" news has been spewing into our collective consiousness. to figure out a way to stop that propaganda machine, whether that's through cutting off it's funding or something else.
Rush, Alex Jones, Michael Savage, etc...All of them have just been legitimized. They are not going anywhere, and they just gained themselves even more power.
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Today was the senior class picture at school. I went up onto the roof with the journalism teacher and custodian and the kids all formed a big 17 down below. They took a couple normal photos then the journalism teacher said they would take a "funny"one.
She counts down from three and then without any prompting the entire class of 2017 shouted "FUCK TRUMP"
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
i kinda had to vent a bit, it's long and personal you dont have to read it, just needed to get something out
so, i work swing shift, meaning i start at 6 in the evening and get off at 3 in the morning. this is in LA, by the way, so by the time i got into work yesterday was right around the time things really started looking grim for Hillary. i tried to stay optimistic through the night, but as the hours passed it faded. for hours, my stomach was churning with anxiety, stress, and shock over what was occurring, like my mind literally couldn't deal with it and my body was rejecting the notion
a few weeks back i lost a good friend to a horrific act of misogynistic violence. it was an event that shook my circle of friends to our core, the kind of thing you'd see in an episode of Law & Order but never expect to have to deal with in real life. we've done what we can to be there for each other and her family, even starting a gofundme page in her name, the full proceeds from which we're donating to the domestic violence program at the local YWCA. we still lost a friend, and things won't ever be the same, but the healing had begun
but last night, seeing that so many people in this country not only excused the sexism that Trump has espoused during his campaign, they fucking condoned it? i literally couldn't stomach it anymore. i went to the bathroom and actually retched, just dry heaved for a minute or two before i regained myself, but that feeling of just so fucking helpless and unable to help my friend when she needed it most, the hours i'd spent thinking of how terrifying her final moments must have been and the things me or any of our friends could have done to prevent it, it all came rushing back in this moment, reading about Hillary conceding and Trump giving a victory speech... i just had trouble reconciling that this country is really that backwards
when my shift finally ended i got home and made the mistake of checking facebook, the first few posts i saw happened to be from racist cousins who i haven't seen since my mother's funeral, some even longer, celebrating and gloating about Trump's win. i got so fucking angry i wanted to throw my laptop through the wall. i've been sitting here for hours, trying to lose myself in music or writing just to escape this reality, but i keep coming back to the fact that so many of my friends are POC or queer, and even most of my white friends happen to be women, and the idea that so many people in this country just used their vote to tell those kinds of people that they don't view them as equal, it's not something i've yet been able to come to grips with
apologies for the long rant, kinda just typed everything as in a train of thought way so if none of it makes sense, sorry. now i have to try to sleep and start my day tomorrow by doing what i can to help for anyone who needs it
For what its worth, I read it, and it really moved me.
You're not alone and I'm so sorry.
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Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
Third parties largely didn't spoil any states in this election, unless you assume that literally every vote that went to Johnson would have swung to Clinton.
I know it's incredibly appealing to look for people to blame in this situation, but this all falls on the people who voted for Trump.
And fuck if I know what to do about them.
This is 100 percent true, and I really have to keep repeating this to myself.
I have friends who were Stein supporters, who spent literally the entire election doing nothing but shitting on Clinton.
And today all of them have turned around and are all like "We need to stop Trump!"
And I'm really trying to restrain myself from just blowing up on them with something along the lines of "WELCOME TO THE FUCKING PARTY, PAL!"
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
I think we need to get to work re-thinking progressive policy.
not to throw out ideals, but to re-learn them. to remember how to understand them outside of the lens of conservative bullshit that has been pulled over everyone's eyes. to relearn how to engage with people who are not already in progressive wheelhouse.
to dig through the decades of propaganda that "conservative" news has been spewing into our collective consiousness. to figure out a way to stop that propaganda machine, whether that's through cutting off it's funding or something else.
Rush, Alex Jones, Michael Savage, etc...All of them have just been legitimized. They are not going anywhere, and they just gained themselves even more power.
yeah, that's kind of the problem though
we really, really do need to address the transmission of far right ideology into the mainstream
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
Get people to vote in 2018.
Don't do any of the bullshit they pulled during the primaries.
Don't turn a blind eye to her faults because "it's time".
Identify Democrats as something more than "not Republican".
Demolish the antiquated, self-perpetuating-cycle-of-shit electoral system for something that is objectively better in every measurable way, by adding actual, visible value to a person's vote.
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
Somehow find a candidate that can keep from being attacked constantly from both the right and the left?
Attacks from the right are one thing and can easily be discounted as partisanship, but with the amount of shit Hillary got from the left I wouldn't be surprised it that had a significant impact on turnout.
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
Don't let graphics like that go. Make it as clear as possible that low Democratic turnout is how you get people like Trump. Redouble efforts in states that were expected to be part of Hillary's wall but swung for Trump.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
So Trump got less votes than the last 2 losing Republicans...
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
It is also a failure of the media and their constant equating of the respective "scandals" as if they were of equal footing in any way
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
Melania Trump looks horrified in all the footage I've seen. There's this ghastly smile and eyes screaming "I can't believe you elected this fucking maniac"
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he's a senator. but he's not very popular within the inner chambers of the party from what I understand, mostly because he's pretty firmly a fiscal centrist
Okay, so, real talk...what the fuck happened? All the way up to last night it was "record early voting" and "Clinton has a strong ground game" and "massive GOTV initiatives" and then...lowest turnout since 2000?
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
I'm presuming that Trump does not help alleviate the economic woes of the rust belt within the next four years. So, put forward a plan that stimulates that part of the country and get people mobilized.
Okay, so, real talk...what the fuck happened? All the way up to last night it was "record early voting" and "Clinton has a strong ground game" and "massive GOTV initiatives" and then...lowest turnout since 2000?
We were doing a touchdown dance at the thirty yard line
Like, people want to find something they can grab onto and go "If this one thing had gone differently, we might have won" so they have something specific to blame.
But the reality of the situation is that the only way this was different was if fewer people voted for Trump.
Or if more people turned out to vote
this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
fix the DNC from the ground up, court the disenfranchised, reach out to lower-middle class voters
The absolute first step is to gut the DNC and start over completely. Get young people in there to run it, with some veterans for teaching (I would love it if Obama ran the DNC after leaving the WH)
Okay, so, real talk...what the fuck happened? All the way up to last night it was "record early voting" and "Clinton has a strong ground game" and "massive GOTV initiatives" and then...lowest turnout since 2000?
those early voters were probably jazzed about Trump
progressives need to learn how to engage with people emotionally.
The dems need to connect with the people of rural America, the ones who feel like immigrants are taking their jobs, and the government is taxing them into nothingness. Regardless if it's true, painting the entirety of the deep south as racist did not help her campaign at all.
They also need to connect with their own constituents. That means not doing the whole "vote for Hillary or else" type thing (even though really, what the fuck guys, why did you not vote??). Maybe listen to the people to why they didn't vote, and address issues where people feel disenfranchised with "business as usual" style politics... and probably address issues with primaries too.
I'm worried. I'm scared. But really, we're all in this together. Bad policies will hurt literally everyone in America except those that can afford to buy out of it.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
Okay, so, real talk...what the fuck happened? All the way up to last night it was "record early voting" and "Clinton has a strong ground game" and "massive GOTV initiatives" and then...lowest turnout since 2000?
Yeah I really don't want to start calling wolf but it's really weird.
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edited November 2016
Also, yank white progressives out of their silos and down from their high horses.
I know that seems a bit harsh and unfair given how many people in this very forum turned out to vote, but this forum isn't reflective of the broader demographic (obviously) and that might actually be part of the problem.
The silos blocked folks from seeing how bad things really were, and the high horse wasn't actually very high at all.
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this year had six million fewer folks turn out than 2012
it was a failure of organization on the part of the democratic party and a success of obstruction for the GOP
It probably wouldn't have helped, because ruminating on these things does nothing, but... fuck
I agree
I just also think that there isn't going to be any good republican legislation
Rush, Alex Jones, Michael Savage, etc...All of them have just been legitimized. They are not going anywhere, and they just gained themselves even more power.
She counts down from three and then without any prompting the entire class of 2017 shouted "FUCK TRUMP"
Brightened my day a bit.
For what its worth, I read it, and it really moved me.
You're not alone and I'm so sorry.
How do they fix that for 2020?
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This is 100 percent true, and I really have to keep repeating this to myself.
I have friends who were Stein supporters, who spent literally the entire election doing nothing but shitting on Clinton.
And today all of them have turned around and are all like "We need to stop Trump!"
And I'm really trying to restrain myself from just blowing up on them with something along the lines of "WELCOME TO THE FUCKING PARTY, PAL!"
Fuck
Well looking on the bright get side, at least this shoots a hole in the 'victory of hate' narrative
https://medium.com/@alascii
yeah, that's kind of the problem though
we really, really do need to address the transmission of far right ideology into the mainstream
I'd say 4 years of trump should do it, but 2004 shoots that right down.
Probably finding a perfect candidate would help, but Biden would be far too old by then.
they can't. those are "normal" numbers. She got more votes than Clinton and Gore, same as Kerry. That's normal Democratic turnout.
get a fucking candidate that musters more than a "eh i guess they'll do" from the electorate
for my money?
progressives need to learn how to engage with people emotionally.
No, no you read that right.
dude I know
I managed to go to the wrong city for work today
Get people to vote in 2018.
Don't do any of the bullshit they pulled during the primaries.
Don't turn a blind eye to her faults because "it's time".
Identify Democrats as something more than "not Republican".
Demolish the antiquated, self-perpetuating-cycle-of-shit electoral system for something that is objectively better in every measurable way, by adding actual, visible value to a person's vote.
writing a letter to the daily show
put me in coach, I'm ready
Somehow find a candidate that can keep from being attacked constantly from both the right and the left?
Attacks from the right are one thing and can easily be discounted as partisanship, but with the amount of shit Hillary got from the left I wouldn't be surprised it that had a significant impact on turnout.
Don't let graphics like that go. Make it as clear as possible that low Democratic turnout is how you get people like Trump. Redouble efforts in states that were expected to be part of Hillary's wall but swung for Trump.
It is also a failure of the media and their constant equating of the respective "scandals" as if they were of equal footing in any way
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fix the DNC from the ground up, court the disenfranchised, reach out to lower-middle class voters
okay now hear me out: breitfart
That's fair
he's a senator. but he's not very popular within the inner chambers of the party from what I understand, mostly because he's pretty firmly a fiscal centrist
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I'm presuming that Trump does not help alleviate the economic woes of the rust belt within the next four years. So, put forward a plan that stimulates that part of the country and get people mobilized.
We were doing a touchdown dance at the thirty yard line
did I deploy that metaphor correctly
The absolute first step is to gut the DNC and start over completely. Get young people in there to run it, with some veterans for teaching (I would love it if Obama ran the DNC after leaving the WH)
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those early voters were probably jazzed about Trump
The dems need to connect with the people of rural America, the ones who feel like immigrants are taking their jobs, and the government is taxing them into nothingness. Regardless if it's true, painting the entirety of the deep south as racist did not help her campaign at all.
They also need to connect with their own constituents. That means not doing the whole "vote for Hillary or else" type thing (even though really, what the fuck guys, why did you not vote??). Maybe listen to the people to why they didn't vote, and address issues where people feel disenfranchised with "business as usual" style politics... and probably address issues with primaries too.
I'm worried. I'm scared. But really, we're all in this together. Bad policies will hurt literally everyone in America except those that can afford to buy out of it.
Yeah I really don't want to start calling wolf but it's really weird.
I know that seems a bit harsh and unfair given how many people in this very forum turned out to vote, but this forum isn't reflective of the broader demographic (obviously) and that might actually be part of the problem.
The silos blocked folks from seeing how bad things really were, and the high horse wasn't actually very high at all.