Seizing the means of Structural [chat]eneering

BeNarwhal

Don't you people see now? Only I, BeNarwhal, can be trusted to create timely, no-nonsense, straight-to-the-point [chat] threads!

Reject the rule of arbitrary robot selection! Bend the knee to inevitability! All hail BeNarwhalia!

Six

Hello

OnTheLastCastle

@elki no it is vermintide from now until we get sick of it

amateurhour

Man this is bullshit.

If I'd have known I could have just made a rogue chat I'd have made bushcraft chat.

YamiNoSenshi

I've never joined a revolution before! When do they hand out the shirts and banners and atrocious hygiene?

Sir Landshark

I'm actually working now but here's a cool structural engineering feat people might not be so familiar with:

https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2003/fs014-03/pipeline.html

So It Goes

jake you know there will literally never be a Tom Brady chat thread unless both Elki and I are on a tropical island with no cell service, right?

bowen

haha oh shit @Sir Landshark you gonna take this?

amateurhour

NO CHATTERS, JOIN ME AND I WILL TAKE US INTO THE FORESTS TO CHAT!

OnTheLastCastle

gasp who

who do i choose

Aioua

13 minutes

I thought it was 0-10 for main, 10-15 for backup, and 15+ for rogue

Chanus

benards is fake news

i have made no fewer than six timely, non-nonsense [chat]s

i am notorious for my austere and minimalist OPs produced within mere seconds of the previous closing

jungleroomx

Aioua wrote: »

13 minutes

I thought it was 0-10 for main, 10-15 for backup, and 15+ for rogue

It was.

BeNarwhal

amateurhour wrote: »

Man this is bullshit.

If I'd have known I could have just made a rogue chat I'd have made bushcraft chat.

You lack the fortitude and the certainty to act with such boldness, AH!

I create this [chat] by divine right!

OnTheLastCastle

I choose this chat. Hello.

bowen

Donkey Kong wrote: »

bowen wrote: »

Shivahn wrote: »

Donkey Kong wrote: »

Having interviewed STEM job applicants I can say that while there is no shortage of STEM graduates, there is a shortage of good STEM graduates.

My company isn't even trying to underpay or offer shit benefits and they've already accepted that they won't be getting google and apple level talent. And yet still, candidate after candidate cannot answer simple questions.

The ones that can answer are typically swimming in offers and take whatever tickles their fancy.

Can you give examples? This kind of thing makes me curious

canny edge detection and building boxes, etc

The canny edge detection story is actually a good example. My company does computer vision, so every applicant for certain positions has taken a computer vision course and listed computer vision as a specialization for a post-graduate degree. So keep that in mind.

Canny edge detection is one of the basic, most commonly taught computer vision algorithms. Its an image transform that takes in a fully detailed photographic image and spits out another image that looks more like a line drawing. Its great for, as its name suggests, detecting edges. It lets a computer greatly cut down the information content of an image, and make the content left over invariant to lighting, shading, etc. It's typically taught in Image Processing or Computer Vision 101 type classes.

I asked an open-ended question of a candidate. "How would you find a cardboard box in an image of a cardboard box?" The question tests a variety of things, but it's very open to discussion. One candidate in their answer mentioned the canny edge detector, but the way they used it in their design seemed a little odd and skipped a lot of steps, so I asked them to go back and explain. They looked at me like I had just ripped their pants down, so I knew I was in for a treat.

Over the course of their explanation, it became clear that they didn't know what the canny edge detector was or what it did or what its inputs and outputs were. These are not hard questions. It takes in a photo, it spits out a line drawing. But they couldn't say it because they didn't know it. They just threw out the words and hoped I'd let them gloss over it. And I would have, if their usage had made any sense.

From there the interview went rapidly downhill. It was clear they didn't have any computer vision experience and they failed the basic C/C++ programming test too. And this is not uncommon. This is representative of about half of the people who make it through the screening process. These are people with nice GPAs and degrees from good institutions. It's really demoralizing.

I mean, if I'm ready canny edge right on wikipedia, it's a grayscale/bluring (reduce the number of tiny sharp edges?) image where they scan over the ints in the bitmap and check for something breaking a threshold between adjacent values, seems pretty straight forward.

If you were doing computer vision as a degree this seems like something you'd be doing every god damned day for research and projects to the point where it'd be second nature.

Is the C++ just like.. testing if you know for/if/else/variables or are you doing OOP, structs, bit packing, etc ?

@Donkey Kong

amateurhour

OnTheLastCastle wrote: »

gasp who

who do i choose

not this bridge nerd shit

So It Goes

OnTheLastCastle wrote: »

gasp who

who do i choose

I choose BOTH

amateurhour

OH SHIT I JUST GOT UNIVERSE BLENDED

Kid Presentable

Evil Multifarious

apparently i took too long doing my backup chat

jungleroomx

So It Goes wrote: »

OnTheLastCastle wrote: »

gasp who

who do i choose

I choose BOTH

REUNIFICATION IT WILL BE!

BeNarwhal

jungleroomx wrote: »

Aioua wrote: »

13 minutes

I thought it was 0-10 for main, 10-15 for backup, and 15+ for rogue

It was.

I am altering the deal.

Pray that I do not alter it further.

Arch

Donkey Kong wrote: »

bowen wrote: »

Shivahn wrote: »

Donkey Kong wrote: »

Having interviewed STEM job applicants I can say that while there is no shortage of STEM graduates, there is a shortage of good STEM graduates.

My company isn't even trying to underpay or offer shit benefits and they've already accepted that they won't be getting google and apple level talent. And yet still, candidate after candidate cannot answer simple questions.

The ones that can answer are typically swimming in offers and take whatever tickles their fancy.

Can you give examples? This kind of thing makes me curious

canny edge detection and building boxes, etc

The canny edge detection story is actually a good example. My company does computer vision, so every applicant for certain positions has taken a computer vision course and listed computer vision as a specialization for a post-graduate degree. So keep that in mind.

Canny edge detection is one of the basic, most commonly taught computer vision algorithms. Its an image transform that takes in a fully detailed photographic image and spits out another image that looks more like a line drawing. Its great for, as its name suggests, detecting edges. It lets a computer greatly cut down the information content of an image, and make the content left over invariant to lighting, shading, etc. It's typically taught in Image Processing or Computer Vision 101 type classes.

I asked an open-ended question of a candidate. "How would you find a cardboard box in an image of a cardboard box?" The question tests a variety of things, but it's very open to discussion. One candidate in their answer mentioned the canny edge detector, but the way they used it in their design seemed a little odd and skipped a lot of steps, so I asked them to go back and explain. They looked at me like I had just ripped their pants down, so I knew I was in for a treat.

Over the course of their explanation, it became clear that they didn't know what the canny edge detector was or what it did or what its inputs and outputs were. These are not hard questions. It takes in a photo, it spits out a line drawing. But they couldn't say it because they didn't know it. They just threw out the words and hoped I'd let them gloss over it. And I would have, if their usage had made any sense.

From there the interview went rapidly downhill. It was clear they didn't have any computer vision experience and they failed the basic C/C++ programming test too. And this is not uncommon. This is representative of about half of the people who make it through the screening process. These are people with nice GPAs and degrees from good institutions. It's really demoralizing.

This is one of those things that I constantly kind of wonder/worry about. Like, if I was ever in an interview scenario like this one for something relevant to my field (let's say something molecular biology based, or hell, even computationally, because I'm sort of a computer scientist, albeit a shitty one).

I'm like, reasonably certain I would flub interview questions like this, but at the same time I know that I can figure a lot of stuff out- my entire postdoc has been me reading a technique on the internet i've never done before, and trying it out to see if it works

but if like, during an interview you asked me, say, how i would use southern blotting to investigate my phenotype of interest I would probably freak out and not be able to answer, despite the fact that A. I could look it up and B. follow the protocol and C. design a well-structured experiment around it

I know they aren't really equivalent scenarios, I'm just wondering how much I actually know, and how much of it was me coasting through like a lot of these candidates

I am forever filled with impostor syndrome

my final words, as I lay on my deathbed, having been a professor for years and years with a bunch of papers to my name will be

"they should never have given me a PhD"

jungleroomx

BeNarwhal wrote: »

jungleroomx wrote: »

Aioua wrote: »

13 minutes

I thought it was 0-10 for main, 10-15 for backup, and 15+ for rogue

It was.

I am altering the deal.

Pray that I do not alter it further.

YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE, GILL-CREATURE!

Aioua

anyway here's another interesting factoid

vanilla is expensive. Such that some producers will individually brand every bean to help track their shit to prevent theft

big image for detail:

P10

EM provided the best OP and doesn't even get merged in.
this travesty of justice. . .

amateurhour

Okay SIG you're now a mod and a lawyer so I have the right to know why geth hates me.

Arch

read my post

then read @Evil Multifarious 's [chat] OP

So It Goes

Evil Multifarious wrote: »

apparently i took too long doing my backup chat

sorry mang

Shivahn

Tube said he doesn't have to justify himself to me! He knows who I am! This is the happiest day of my life!

Quid

Elki you have used that comic before. Your game is slippin'.

Hahnsoo1

Shivahn wrote: »

Tube said he doesn't have to justify himself to me! He knows who I am! This is the happiest day of my life!

Senpai noticed you?

skippydumptruck

sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

that'll be your thing

Surfpossum

This whole situation is typical of what you can expect from those structural types.

Hakkekage

So It Goes wrote: »

jake you know there will literally never be a Tom Brady chat thread unless both Elki and I are on a tropical island with no cell service, right?

the state of our forum institutions remains strong despite recent events #blessed

P10

skippydumptruck wrote: »

sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

that'll be your thing

skippy why do you want to punish us so

So It Goes

skippydumptruck wrote: »

sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

that'll be your thing

oh god no

BeNarwhal

...

I'm overall pretty pleased with how this all worked out.

Shivahn

So It Goes wrote: »

skippydumptruck wrote: »

sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

that'll be your thing

oh god no

I am torn

because

1) oh god no

2) that'd be kind of hilarious, honestly

3) oh god no

jungleroomx

skippydumptruck wrote: »

sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

that'll be your thing

What kind of monster are you?