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I wake up regularly now thinking, "I just can't today, I don't have the energy give a shit about that fucker."
Then he goes and does something that harms people I know, and I feel like I'm suffering from shock. It's why I think I'm dumb when it comes to LGBT issues, because on some level of basic decency I know it's the darkest type of wrong to ruin someone's life because you can, only a short hop to genocide when you stop thinking of people who are different as humans. I haven't suffered directly, but taking the rights of my friends away seems so deeply wrong. Every group that isn't mine is having it's rights amputated.
Just because DOJ thinks that doesn't mean the Judiciary does. And I believe there are numerous rulings saying trans discrimination is sex based discrimination. I mean, SCOTUS can go ahead and undermine that eventually, but for now I'm not sure how much this means aside from litigants just having to deal with more bullshit.
Donald Trump is to address the annual conference of an anti-LGBT group which has been classified as a hate group.
The US president will become the first sitting president to address social conservative activists and elected officials at the Value Voters Summit in Washington DC on Friday.
President Trump has addressed the event which is hosted by the Family Research Council three times in total and did so last year as the Republican presidential candidate.
The Family Research Council opposes and actively lobbies against equal rights for LGBT persons. The conservative Christian group campaigns against same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, LGBT adoption, abortion, embryonic stell-cell research, pornography and divorce.
Donald Trump is to address the annual conference of an anti-LGBT group which has been classified as a hate group.
The US president will become the first sitting president to address social conservative activists and elected officials at the Value Voters Summit in Washington DC on Friday.
President Trump has addressed the event which is hosted by the Family Research Council three times in total and did so last year as the Republican presidential candidate.
The Family Research Council opposes and actively lobbies against equal rights for LGBT persons. The conservative Christian group campaigns against same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, LGBT adoption, abortion, embryonic stell-cell research, pornography and divorce.
Because of course he would.
I'm not surprised I guess, but it really bothers me with all the other shit going on, no one thing can get the depth or coverage it needs. I don't think any previous official has demonstrated the mental loophole that let's things work like - "one weird trick" and, "insurance secrets they don't want people who live in <your state> to know".
Now that it's happening and huge swaths of citizens (and residents) are being fucked over, can we stop the experiment? I'd like to get off now.
I suspect that even if it's found unconstitutional eventually, it gives the implicit thumbs up to treat normal people like criminal deviants. Fuck.
The DoD has finally outlined a policy and a roll out date for transgender people to enter the military and provided official guidance per USMEPCOM Policy Memorandum 2-5 and more specifically for my branch IPCM 18-04. I will post some of the relevant specifics.
-This Interim Process Change Memorandum (IPCM) outlines procedures on processing transgender applicants. Effective 1 Jan 2018, applicants identifying themselves as transgender may access into the Air Force in all enlisted and officer programs. Implementation of this new policy is mandatory effective 1 Jan 2018...
-Identity Validation: Preferred gender will be used on all documentation for military entrance processing. If birth sex and preferred gender are different, the transgendered applicant's preferred gender must be legally validated prior to beginning the recruiting process.
-Transgender applicants will be addressed by their preferred gender name and pronoun. Document all forms with preferred name and pronoun.
There is a lot more to it but the highlight is we have a set date for the Military officially accepting transgender applicants as well as the policy in place to make it happen. It is always frustrating that affording people equal rights is such a constant up hill battle, but despite our current administrations regressive ideology we are still making strides and moving in the right direction.
The DoD has finally outlined a policy and a roll out date for transgender people to enter the military and provided official guidance per USMEPCOM Policy Memorandum 2-5 and more specifically for my branch IPCM 18-04. I will post some of the relevant specifics.
-This Interim Process Change Memorandum (IPCM) outlines procedures on processing transgender applicants. Effective 1 Jan 2018, applicants identifying themselves as transgender may access into the Air Force in all enlisted and officer programs. Implementation of this new policy is mandatory effective 1 Jan 2018...
-Identity Validation: Preferred gender will be used on all documentation for military entrance processing. If birth sex and preferred gender are different, the transgendered applicant's preferred gender must be legally validated prior to beginning the recruiting process.
-Transgender applicants will be addressed by their preferred gender name and pronoun. Document all forms with preferred name and pronoun.
There is a lot more to it but the highlight is we have a set date for the Military officially accepting transgender applicants as well as the policy in place to make it happen. It is always frustrating that affording people equal rights is such a constant up hill battle, but despite our current administrations regressive ideology we are still making strides and moving in the right direction.
Would it be more straightforward to just replace most pronoun usage with rank and name? I could see that getting redundant and repetitive, but also being more universal since ranks are gender neutral aside from Airman.
The DoD has finally outlined a policy and a roll out date for transgender people to enter the military and provided official guidance per USMEPCOM Policy Memorandum 2-5 and more specifically for my branch IPCM 18-04. I will post some of the relevant specifics.
-This Interim Process Change Memorandum (IPCM) outlines procedures on processing transgender applicants. Effective 1 Jan 2018, applicants identifying themselves as transgender may access into the Air Force in all enlisted and officer programs. Implementation of this new policy is mandatory effective 1 Jan 2018...
-Identity Validation: Preferred gender will be used on all documentation for military entrance processing. If birth sex and preferred gender are different, the transgendered applicant's preferred gender must be legally validated prior to beginning the recruiting process.
-Transgender applicants will be addressed by their preferred gender name and pronoun. Document all forms with preferred name and pronoun.
There is a lot more to it but the highlight is we have a set date for the Military officially accepting transgender applicants as well as the policy in place to make it happen. It is always frustrating that affording people equal rights is such a constant up hill battle, but despite our current administrations regressive ideology we are still making strides and moving in the right direction.
Would it be more straightforward to just replace most pronoun usage with rank and name? I could see that getting redundant and repetitive, but also being more universal since ranks are gender neutral aside from Airman.
Try actually doing this in conversation some time. With names, if you don't have titles. It's...not really tenable, and often comes across as insulting.
The DoD has finally outlined a policy and a roll out date for transgender people to enter the military and provided official guidance per USMEPCOM Policy Memorandum 2-5 and more specifically for my branch IPCM 18-04. I will post some of the relevant specifics.
-This Interim Process Change Memorandum (IPCM) outlines procedures on processing transgender applicants. Effective 1 Jan 2018, applicants identifying themselves as transgender may access into the Air Force in all enlisted and officer programs. Implementation of this new policy is mandatory effective 1 Jan 2018...
-Identity Validation: Preferred gender will be used on all documentation for military entrance processing. If birth sex and preferred gender are different, the transgendered applicant's preferred gender must be legally validated prior to beginning the recruiting process.
-Transgender applicants will be addressed by their preferred gender name and pronoun. Document all forms with preferred name and pronoun.
There is a lot more to it but the highlight is we have a set date for the Military officially accepting transgender applicants as well as the policy in place to make it happen. It is always frustrating that affording people equal rights is such a constant up hill battle, but despite our current administrations regressive ideology we are still making strides and moving in the right direction.
Would it be more straightforward to just replace most pronoun usage with rank and name? I could see that getting redundant and repetitive, but also being more universal since ranks are gender neutral aside from Airman.
That would be 1) hard to read, and 2) impossible to maintain in spoken communication. (Try having a conversation without pronouns and see how long you can keep it up...)
Yes. In general practice in the military you are addressed as rank and last name. However, when processing through the Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) you have to be identified as either male or female for processing purposes and for your MILPDS and DEERS. The reason for the language of "Transgender applicants will be addressed by their preferred gender name and pronoun..." is that when you are reading technical orders, department of defense instructions or any military document there are many ways of communicating how to act. For example should, can, recommended, WILL. The language in these publications is important because when a publication states WILL there is no possible interpretation of that document that allows for anyone to not refer to a transgender person as anything but their preferred pronouns. That is why it is vital to be written in that way in our official policy documentation.
The DoD has finally outlined a policy and a roll out date for transgender people to enter the military and provided official guidance per USMEPCOM Policy Memorandum 2-5 and more specifically for my branch IPCM 18-04. I will post some of the relevant specifics.
-This Interim Process Change Memorandum (IPCM) outlines procedures on processing transgender applicants. Effective 1 Jan 2018, applicants identifying themselves as transgender may access into the Air Force in all enlisted and officer programs. Implementation of this new policy is mandatory effective 1 Jan 2018...
-Identity Validation: Preferred gender will be used on all documentation for military entrance processing. If birth sex and preferred gender are different, the transgendered applicant's preferred gender must be legally validated prior to beginning the recruiting process.
-Transgender applicants will be addressed by their preferred gender name and pronoun. Document all forms with preferred name and pronoun.
There is a lot more to it but the highlight is we have a set date for the Military officially accepting transgender applicants as well as the policy in place to make it happen. It is always frustrating that affording people equal rights is such a constant up hill battle, but despite our current administrations regressive ideology we are still making strides and moving in the right direction.
Would it be more straightforward to just replace most pronoun usage with rank and name? I could see that getting redundant and repetitive, but also being more universal since ranks are gender neutral aside from Airman.
That would be 1) hard to read, and 2) impossible to maintain in spoken communication. (Try having a conversation without pronouns and see how long you can keep it up...)
I was thinking mostly for textual communication rather than spoken, since for spoken the person is right there to correct things while print is more open to being ambiguous if you don't really know what should be used. But fair.
The DoD has finally outlined a policy and a roll out date for transgender people to enter the military and provided official guidance per USMEPCOM Policy Memorandum 2-5 and more specifically for my branch IPCM 18-04. I will post some of the relevant specifics.
-This Interim Process Change Memorandum (IPCM) outlines procedures on processing transgender applicants. Effective 1 Jan 2018, applicants identifying themselves as transgender may access into the Air Force in all enlisted and officer programs. Implementation of this new policy is mandatory effective 1 Jan 2018...
-Identity Validation: Preferred gender will be used on all documentation for military entrance processing. If birth sex and preferred gender are different, the transgendered applicant's preferred gender must be legally validated prior to beginning the recruiting process.
-Transgender applicants will be addressed by their preferred gender name and pronoun. Document all forms with preferred name and pronoun.
There is a lot more to it but the highlight is we have a set date for the Military officially accepting transgender applicants as well as the policy in place to make it happen. It is always frustrating that affording people equal rights is such a constant up hill battle, but despite our current administrations regressive ideology we are still making strides and moving in the right direction.
Assuming the bolded is AF, not DoD-wide? When last I heard, the Navy went with whatever was in DEERS as law, but your CO could get an exception to use your preferred gender for berthing/grooming/address.
Exceptions to Policy (ETP)
Service Members shall comply with all standards of the gender marker currently in Navy personnel administrative systems/DEERS. Individual Service Members and COs may request exceptions to policy (ETP) via the first Flag Officer in the chain of command to Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Manpower, Personnel, Training, and Education (DCNO N1) for any service policy waivers as part of the approved Transition Plan in accordance with DoDI 1300.28 and SECNAVINST 1000.11,
when it is in the best interest of the individual and as it makes sense for good order and discipline within the command. Examples of ETPs requiring DCNO N1 approval include grooming, uniform and appearance standards, change of berthing, head and shower facilities, and preferred gender urinalysis observation, prior to completion of the gender marker change in DEERS. Physical readiness testing, body composition assessment standards or deployability determinations require medical waivers.
It would be nice if that was now the rule instead the exception.
The DEERS designation was how the initial roll out was supposed to go, but once it was put on a 6 month review period there were some changes. As far as the ETP goes that is meant for military members currently serving. They were and are still protected. The big change is that individuals that are trans are now able to join the military. The reason for the ETPs is that there were still a lot of policy and regulations were in flux. I am sure that more clarification will still be put into place, but now we have a set standard for MEPS processing for new applicants.
I get anxiety every time I see this thread get bumped, I’m happy for the good news!
Yay for the fail!
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I am sorry to bump this thread at all, let alone months after it was last done, and particularly with this news. I just didn't know where else this story went.
I woke up, saw this story, and I've felt like I'm going to vomit in fear ever since.
The department argued in its memo that key government agencies needed to adopt an explicit and uniform definition of gender as determined “on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable.” The agency’s proposed definition would define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by the genitals that a person is born with, according to a draft reviewed by The Times. Any dispute about one’s sex would have to be clarified using genetic testing.
“Sex means a person’s status as male or female based on immutable biological traits identifiable by or before birth,” the department proposed in the memo, which was drafted and has been circulating since last spring. “The sex listed on a person’s birth certificate, as originally issued, shall constitute definitive proof of a person’s sex unless rebutted by reliable genetic evidence.”
Excuse me while I go curl into the fetal position and cry, a whole lot.
They are also pushing to allow companies to just flat out fire someone being LBGT based on “religious objections”.
This is why I still haven't come out, and why I've continued to live in fear. Even when there are federal and state protection laws in place, it's still difficult. I have friends who lived in the Seattle area get laid off because of their gender identity (which they are bringing to court). Companies find any reason to get rid of trans individuals, it feels like. I guess HR has some ideas about that.
With this, we won't just be hard for us to find work, it'll be downright nearly impossible.
Also, this part of the article should be goddamned bone chilling to ANYONE reading it:
For the last year, health and human services has privately argued that the term “sex” was never meant to include gender identity or even homosexuality, and that the lack of clarity allowed the Obama administration to wrongfully extend civil rights protections to people who should not have them.
What was all that we were hearing about Trump being pro-LGBT?
I believe that was more aimed at Jared and Ivanka, whom allegedly had his ear and would curb his uglier impulses.
Like many such stories, it has been repeatedly proven to be full of shit.
Edit: that said I’m sure he has claimed to be the best for the gays at some point during his campaign.
There was an LGBTs For Trump fake group and he showed a rainbow flag at one point in the election.
He also invited Caitlyn Jenner to events and got an endorsement from her.
In truth this was useful in showing that LGBT folks are no different than anyone else; we are all just as capable of being fooled by a con man.
Not really. Caitlyn has been a terrible trans leader and had only been out and trans for like what a year or two at that time? It shows that the very rich and the very famous will choose each other over anything else.
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You are making a mistaken assumption. Hypocrisy does not matter to them.
It's "Fuck you, got mine" all the way down.
See: Religious Symbols that aren't crosses.
I wake up regularly now thinking, "I just can't today, I don't have the energy give a shit about that fucker."
Then he goes and does something that harms people I know, and I feel like I'm suffering from shock. It's why I think I'm dumb when it comes to LGBT issues, because on some level of basic decency I know it's the darkest type of wrong to ruin someone's life because you can, only a short hop to genocide when you stop thinking of people who are different as humans. I haven't suffered directly, but taking the rights of my friends away seems so deeply wrong. Every group that isn't mine is having it's rights amputated.
They wouldn't care; they were boycotting it anyway.
They always care.
According to The Independent, Donald Trump is about to become the first US President to speak at an Anti-LGBTQ hate group's annual summit
Because of course he would.
I'm not surprised I guess, but it really bothers me with all the other shit going on, no one thing can get the depth or coverage it needs. I don't think any previous official has demonstrated the mental loophole that let's things work like - "one weird trick" and, "insurance secrets they don't want people who live in <your state> to know".
Now that it's happening and huge swaths of citizens (and residents) are being fucked over, can we stop the experiment? I'd like to get off now.
I suspect that even if it's found unconstitutional eventually, it gives the implicit thumbs up to treat normal people like criminal deviants. Fuck.
Some good news, perhaps, from the AP twittering machine.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html?tid=ss_tw-bottom&utm_term=.aa6a6c09cd9f
Fetus is on there too which is extra WTF.
What's a "fetus"? Do you mean "unborn child"? /s
Fetus is like the least egregious thing on there:
They haven't actually banned research, you see.
They've just made it essentially impossible to conduct the research.
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This the same shit the Conservative government up in Canada was pulling when they were in power.
When science is giving people facts that contradict your ideology, you muzzle the scientists.
Sounds like its just in regard to the budget and supporting information.
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-This Interim Process Change Memorandum (IPCM) outlines procedures on processing transgender applicants. Effective 1 Jan 2018, applicants identifying themselves as transgender may access into the Air Force in all enlisted and officer programs. Implementation of this new policy is mandatory effective 1 Jan 2018...
-Identity Validation: Preferred gender will be used on all documentation for military entrance processing. If birth sex and preferred gender are different, the transgendered applicant's preferred gender must be legally validated prior to beginning the recruiting process.
-Transgender applicants will be addressed by their preferred gender name and pronoun. Document all forms with preferred name and pronoun.
There is a lot more to it but the highlight is we have a set date for the Military officially accepting transgender applicants as well as the policy in place to make it happen. It is always frustrating that affording people equal rights is such a constant up hill battle, but despite our current administrations regressive ideology we are still making strides and moving in the right direction.
Would it be more straightforward to just replace most pronoun usage with rank and name? I could see that getting redundant and repetitive, but also being more universal since ranks are gender neutral aside from Airman.
Try actually doing this in conversation some time. With names, if you don't have titles. It's...not really tenable, and often comes across as insulting.
That would be 1) hard to read, and 2) impossible to maintain in spoken communication. (Try having a conversation without pronouns and see how long you can keep it up...)
I was thinking mostly for textual communication rather than spoken, since for spoken the person is right there to correct things while print is more open to being ambiguous if you don't really know what should be used. But fair.
Assuming the bolded is AF, not DoD-wide? When last I heard, the Navy went with whatever was in DEERS as law, but your CO could get an exception to use your preferred gender for berthing/grooming/address.
It would be nice if that was now the rule instead the exception.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/30/574729504/u-s-military-to-allow-transgender-recruits-after-trump-administration-drops-appe
I get anxiety every time I see this thread get bumped, I’m happy for the good news!
Yay for the fail!
I woke up, saw this story, and I've felt like I'm going to vomit in fear ever since.
Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence
Excuse me while I go curl into the fetal position and cry, a whole lot.
I believe that was more aimed at Jared and Ivanka, whom allegedly had his ear and would curb his uglier impulses.
Like many such stories, it has been repeatedly proven to be full of shit.
Edit: that said I’m sure he has claimed to be the best for the gays at some point during his campaign.
This is why I still haven't come out, and why I've continued to live in fear. Even when there are federal and state protection laws in place, it's still difficult. I have friends who lived in the Seattle area get laid off because of their gender identity (which they are bringing to court). Companies find any reason to get rid of trans individuals, it feels like. I guess HR has some ideas about that.
With this, we won't just be hard for us to find work, it'll be downright nearly impossible.
Also, this part of the article should be goddamned bone chilling to ANYONE reading it:
Ugh. I... I just don't have any words.
He also invited Caitlyn Jenner to events and got an endorsement from her.
In truth this was useful in showing that LGBT folks are no different than anyone else; we are all just as capable of being fooled by a con man.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...