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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Give me an entire book about managing Haley's Circus and how hard it is to get people excited for the trapeze and the high wire in a world with flying aliens and actual fucking wizards

    Eh, the sideshow would probably step up its game.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Gustav wrote: »
    I don't have enough strong DC opinions to really go line wide. It would basically be all Superman books, Jack Kirby's DC stuff, and like weird stuff like Swamp Thing and Detective Chimp. And I guess a Batman book. People seem to like him.

    But I would pitch the hell out of Lois Lane: Investigative Journalist. Just about what that kind of journalism would look like in a world of mad science and rampaging giant robots.

    it's super fucked that this book doesn't already exist

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Give me an entire book about managing Haley's Circus and how hard it is to get people excited for the trapeze and the high wire in a world with flying aliens and actual fucking wizards

    Eh, the sideshow would probably step up its game.

    Every time they hire a giant crocodile man it turns out all he wants to do is rob banks

    It's just better business to pay a makeup artist at this point

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    It's a shame they already did President Luthor, because now is the time for Lois and Clark to defeat him with journalism

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    I don't have enough strong DC opinions to really go line wide. It would basically be all Superman books, Jack Kirby's DC stuff, and like weird stuff like Swamp Thing and Detective Chimp. And I guess a Batman book. People seem to like him.

    But I would pitch the hell out of Lois Lane: Investigative Journalist. Just about what that kind of journalism would look like in a world of mad science and rampaging giant robots.

    it's super fucked that this book doesn't already exist

    It's one of two superhero adjacent ideas I'd ever want to write. The other would be about Latverian politics that was equal parts The Thick of It and The Prisoner.

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Give me an entire book about managing Haley's Circus and how hard it is to get people excited for the trapeze and the high wire in a world with flying aliens and actual fucking wizards

    Eh, the sideshow would probably step up its game.

    Every time they hire a giant crocodile man it turns out all he wants to do is rob banks

    It's just better business to pay a makeup artist at this point

    the circus question was one I also asked while rewatching batman forever

    like what role does the circus even play. that wacky shit is your everyday in schumacher gotham, but the elites of society turn out in droves for it

    is the circus like... GC fashion week?

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    TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Give me an entire book about managing Haley's Circus and how hard it is to get people excited for the trapeze and the high wire in a world with iphones

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    This talk about circuses reminded me that Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey's have shut down their circus forever due to waning interest/sales.

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    EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Gustav wrote: »
    I don't have enough strong DC opinions to really go line wide. It would basically be all Superman books, Jack Kirby's DC stuff, and like weird stuff like Swamp Thing and Detective Chimp. And I guess a Batman book. People seem to like him.

    But I would pitch the hell out of Lois Lane: Investigative Journalist. Just about what that kind of journalism would look like in a world of mad science and rampaging giant robots.

    it's super fucked that this book doesn't already exist

    It's one of two superhero adjacent ideas I'd ever want to write. The other would be about Latverian politics that was equal parts The Thick of It and The Prisoner.

    Oh my God, I would devour both of these

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Gustav wrote: »
    Gustav wrote: »
    I don't have enough strong DC opinions to really go line wide. It would basically be all Superman books, Jack Kirby's DC stuff, and like weird stuff like Swamp Thing and Detective Chimp. And I guess a Batman book. People seem to like him.

    But I would pitch the hell out of Lois Lane: Investigative Journalist. Just about what that kind of journalism would look like in a world of mad science and rampaging giant robots.

    it's super fucked that this book doesn't already exist

    It's one of two superhero adjacent ideas I'd ever want to write. The other would be about Latverian politics that was equal parts The Thick of It and The Prisoner.

    I think there's a lot of untapped story potential in digging into what non-superheroes get up to in those universes

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    There's a reason Gotham Central is one of the best books DC has ever made

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    I decided to read Red Hood and the Outlaws (Rebirth era) because I have a big ole soft spot for Jason Todd

    and

    it's pretty good?

    Like, not outstanding and doesn't hold up to the best of Rebirth, but given that everything else I have read by Scott Lobdell hovers somewhere around "rancid dog shit" I am kind of amazed

    Jason and Bizzaro in particular are a really fun dynamic I wouldn't have ever expected. And Artemis being the "Wonder Woman" figure of a exiled band of Amazons that pledged themselves to the Egyptian pantheon is a super clever idea and good way to make her distinct from Diana.

    Huh!

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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Gustav wrote: »
    I don't have enough strong DC opinions to really go line wide. It would basically be all Superman books, Jack Kirby's DC stuff, and like weird stuff like Swamp Thing and Detective Chimp. And I guess a Batman book. People seem to like him.

    But I would pitch the hell out of Lois Lane: Investigative Journalist. Just about what that kind of journalism would look like in a world of mad science and rampaging giant robots.

    it's super fucked that this book doesn't already exist

    It's one of two superhero adjacent ideas I'd ever want to write. The other would be about Latverian politics that was equal parts The Thick of It and The Prisoner.

    I think there's a lot of untapped story potential in digging into what non-superheroes get up to in those universes

    Do you read Astro City? Because so many of it's stories are about the non-superheroes in the superhero universe: the civilians, the support staff, or people with powers using them for other non-superhero things. Then there's also retired hero/retired (reformed) villain stories. And the superhero stories unlike standard superhero stories.

    Astro City has been pretty damn fantastic for ages.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Gustav wrote: »
    Gustav wrote: »
    I don't have enough strong DC opinions to really go line wide. It would basically be all Superman books, Jack Kirby's DC stuff, and like weird stuff like Swamp Thing and Detective Chimp. And I guess a Batman book. People seem to like him.

    But I would pitch the hell out of Lois Lane: Investigative Journalist. Just about what that kind of journalism would look like in a world of mad science and rampaging giant robots.

    it's super fucked that this book doesn't already exist

    It's one of two superhero adjacent ideas I'd ever want to write. The other would be about Latverian politics that was equal parts The Thick of It and The Prisoner.

    I think there's a lot of untapped story potential in digging into what non-superheroes get up to in those universes

    Do you read Astro City? Because so many of it's stories are about the non-superheroes in the superhero universe: the civilians, the support staff, or people with powers using them for other non-superhero things. Then there's also retired hero/retired (reformed) villain stories. And the superhero stories unlike standard superhero stories.

    Astro City has been pretty damn fantastic for ages.

    It's a comic I've always wanted to read, but it's also one that required more of an effort to track down, so I...haven't

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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Gustav wrote: »
    I don't have enough strong DC opinions to really go line wide. It would basically be all Superman books, Jack Kirby's DC stuff, and like weird stuff like Swamp Thing and Detective Chimp. And I guess a Batman book. People seem to like him.

    But I would pitch the hell out of Lois Lane: Investigative Journalist. Just about what that kind of journalism would look like in a world of mad science and rampaging giant robots.

    it's super fucked that this book doesn't already exist

    It's one of two superhero adjacent ideas I'd ever want to write. The other would be about Latverian politics that was equal parts The Thick of It and The Prisoner.

    I think there's a lot of untapped story potential in digging into what non-superheroes get up to in those universes

    Do you read Astro City? Because so many of it's stories are about the non-superheroes in the superhero universe: the civilians, the support staff, or people with powers using them for other non-superhero things. Then there's also retired hero/retired (reformed) villain stories. And the superhero stories unlike standard superhero stories.

    Astro City has been pretty damn fantastic for ages.

    It's a comic I've always wanted to read, but it's also one that required more of an effort to track down, so I...haven't

    I mean, there's much older runs of it, but its currently 44 issues into a Vertigo run starting in 2013 and has yet to disappoint. It's available easily on both Comixolgy day and date like all other DC/Vertigo/Young Animal stuff and in trade-paperback format (DC also re-released/reprinted the older Astro City volume(s) in trades) on Amazon/etc.

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    StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    After playing Injustice 2, I really want an ongoing of Injustice Harley, because that game's take on the character is better than anything I've seen since the pre-New52 Gotham City Sirens.

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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    She looks pretty great in those comics as well

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    StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    edited May 2017
    She looks pretty great in those comics as well

    Her relationship with Black Canary and Green Arrow is, like, my favorite team pairing I never in a million years would have come up with.

    And I love that Batman has taken her on as a partner, 'cuz it's extremely rare that any Harley comic even hints at the fact that she's actually smart and has a fuckin' Ph.D.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    Stilts wrote: »
    She looks pretty great in those comics as well

    Her relationship with Black Canary and Green Arrow is, like, my favorite team pairing I never in a million years would have come up with.

    And I love that Batman has taken her on as a partner, 'cuz it's extremely rare that any Harley comic even hints at the fact that she's actually smart and has a fuckin' Ph.D.

    There's one Injustice comic where she yells at Doctor Fate because "some people had to actually work through medical school to get that title"

    Then she kicks him out of the room and calls him Mister Fate

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Keith wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    She looks pretty great in those comics as well

    Her relationship with Black Canary and Green Arrow is, like, my favorite team pairing I never in a million years would have come up with.

    And I love that Batman has taken her on as a partner, 'cuz it's extremely rare that any Harley comic even hints at the fact that she's actually smart and has a fuckin' Ph.D.

    There's one Injustice comic where she yells at Doctor Fate because "some people had to actually work through medical school to get that title"

    Then she kicks him out of the room and calls him Mister Fate

    That's pretty fucking good.

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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    the level at which injustice gets it is something i never would have predicted

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    Keith wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    She looks pretty great in those comics as well

    Her relationship with Black Canary and Green Arrow is, like, my favorite team pairing I never in a million years would have come up with.

    And I love that Batman has taken her on as a partner, 'cuz it's extremely rare that any Harley comic even hints at the fact that she's actually smart and has a fuckin' Ph.D.

    There's one Injustice comic where she yells at Doctor Fate because "some people had to actually work through medical school to get that title"

    Then she kicks him out of the room and calls him Mister Fate

    That's pretty fucking good.

    The Injustice comic is really good. Harley especially, and I haven't paid attention to her books since they turned her into Deadpool

    The start of it is gross, since it has the whole "Superman kills his wife and unborn child" thing from the game, but the writer of the majority of it (Tom Taylor) has said in multiple interviews that Superman is his favorite character and it shows with how he writes other characters reacting to this Superman

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    maybe I gotta play Injustice after all

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    The games aren't quite on par with the comics but I still really liked the story in 2

    Conroy and Newbern also act the hell out of it

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Keith wrote: »
    Gustav wrote: »
    Keith wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    She looks pretty great in those comics as well

    Her relationship with Black Canary and Green Arrow is, like, my favorite team pairing I never in a million years would have come up with.

    And I love that Batman has taken her on as a partner, 'cuz it's extremely rare that any Harley comic even hints at the fact that she's actually smart and has a fuckin' Ph.D.

    There's one Injustice comic where she yells at Doctor Fate because "some people had to actually work through medical school to get that title"

    Then she kicks him out of the room and calls him Mister Fate

    That's pretty fucking good.

    The Injustice comic is really good. Harley especially, and I haven't paid attention to her books since they turned her into Deadpool

    The start of it is gross, since it has the whole "Superman kills his wife and unborn child" thing from the game, but the writer of the majority of it (Tom Taylor) has said in multiple interviews that Superman is his favorite character and it shows with how he writes other characters reacting to this Superman

    I think Taylor did a pretty good job writing Injustice-Superman himself before Joker gave him that one bad day as this story shows.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    I've been reading the comics for the past couple of weeks and I'm up to the "Ground Zero" series. It's very Harley centric, but it explores her character in a great way that should be how she's regularly portrayed.

    She starts out finally free from the Joker, and then later "free" of Batman's insurgency (he benches her), so she starts to make her own successes before another world's Joker shows up and she ruins it. The whole time she narrates that she knows what she's doing (in a psychiatric way) and that it's wrong (once he shows up) but she can't help herself, and her old friends like Ivy won't support her because it's a losing battle, while her new henchmen tell her she can beat her demons.

    It's not expertly written, but it's still a powerful sentiment that people need to know about and isn't frequently told in comics

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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    i really liked the story in both, though 2's is a bit better.
    minus the random as hell atrocitus stuff

    though i think its quality is heightened by how it reacts to the fallout of the first

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I'm typically not a fan of Heroic Harley, mostly because the work usually isn't put in to redeem her for all of the ghastly shit she did with Joker

    but I love Injustice Harley because they do put in that work and her redemption took place over the course of years and you see her relationships with Dinah, Ollie and Bruce deepen along the way.

    She has earned her spot as a hero and it is fantastic

    There was a moment in this week's IJ2 issue where she just has no time for Ra's Al Ghul's bullshit and immediately defangs all of his threats and boasting in front of everybody and when he goes off on her because of it she admits that she never actually expected Joker to blow up Metropolis. "I wanted him to stop us. He's Superman, you know? He always saves the day."

    Great stuff

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    I wish 2 did a recap of the first game's story instead of just dumping you in it. Especially since it's using alternate versions of characters everyone knows

    I haven't finished it yet, but so far it doesn't explain Green Arrow's "a world away" comment (which could be seen as "Yeah we traveled far" instead of "this is literally not my universe")

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    okay Injustice isn't in Redbox near me (or maybe anywhere?) so maybe I should grab some of these comics

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Keith wrote: »
    I wish 2 did a recap of the first game's story instead of just dumping you in it. Especially since it's using alternate versions of characters everyone knows

    I haven't finished it yet, but so far it doesn't explain Green Arrow's "a world away" comment (which could be seen as "Yeah we traveled far" instead of "this is literally not my universe")
    I think they did that a little intentionally

    keeping shit vague rather than going "Oh yeah this Oliver is from another Earth. No, not the one we went to last game, a different one" is probably better for the casual player

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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    also, controversial? opinion:

    i love the stupid little headpiece injustice 2 superman wears

    it makes him look like such a dick, which is fitting

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    I don't think his headpiece looks good, but it looks good and also dumb

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    So what do you get when you let Square-Enix's Tetsuya Nomura design a figure based on a classic DC villain?
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    ArmorocArmoroc Registered User regular
    That's cool. What's with the mechanical arms though? Are there notes from Nomura on his creative process for this?

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Armoroc wrote: »
    That's cool. What's with the mechanical arms though? Are there notes from Nomura on his creative process for this?

    They're meant to be some sort of exoskeleton that transforms into a wheelchair.
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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    that looks more like that one blazblue guy who wears a hat and suit like that, not enough belts for a nomura character design

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    ...

    I-I think it looks cool, guys.

    And it even has a Kefka face!

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Owenashi wrote: »
    Armoroc wrote: »
    That's cool. What's with the mechanical arms though? Are there notes from Nomura on his creative process for this?

    They're meant to be some sort of exoskeleton that transforms into a wheelchair.
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    That just raises further questions.

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    StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    Owenashi wrote: »
    So what do you get when you let Square-Enix's Tetsuya Nomura design a figure based on a classic DC villain?
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    I would--no joke--love to see someone write a miniseries based off the ridiculous, edgelord-y designs Nomura has done for DC characters.

    Do, like, I dunno, three or four issues or something.

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