When you're selling weapons that can punch a fucking bus over, out of the back of a van, there's no way you're being discrete for 8 years. The whole premise of the Vulture falls apart if you think about it, he'd have been rich as fuck too and not needed to still be doing any of that after eight years.
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Missed opportunity for a Netflix tie in there too. Luke Cage
featured a special 'Judas bullet' made from Chitauri tech. IIRC they said it was made by Hammer Tech tho.
Could Vulture defeat the Kingpin!? Yeah probably. I dunno how powerful he was really meant to be, though?
Tony was content to leave the FBI to handle him. His confrontations with Spidey kinda relied on causing collateral damage to distract and escape. Then he was ultimately defeated via self inflicted damage from playing too rough.
But MCU Kingpin isn't supernaturally strong, can be knocked the fuck out by a normal person, and he still managed to be terrifying and threatening. MCU really good at writing around power levels.
In a straight fight, the Vulture with his tech can murder Kingpin, but in terms of actual power, Kingpin has him outclassed by a mile. He has an army of criminals at his disposal, he could have Vulture shanked in a prison, killed by the police on his payroll, or just taken out by a junkie while walking the street, and have his family murdered. He was ruthless and had the reach to implement said lack of ruth. Vulture meanwhile tried to cut a deal with Spider-Man just because his daughter liked him. I have no doubt Kingpin would only interact with Vulture after having both intel and leverage over him, or having something he wants, but if he wanted to he could destroy Vulture's life and send in a gao-bomb to detonate his workshop.
I picture Vulture threating Kingpin on the roof of his tower. Vulture telling the fat man that there is a new crime syndicate and he will allow Kingpin to operate and supply him if Kingpin pays Tribute monthly. Fisk just stares at the flying costume and tells him that his power armor doesn't impress him and he has people that could peal him out of it in minutes. Vulture does the Don't make me laugh thing and says this alien tech can melt steel walls.
What he never noticed is a man moving in the background who looks like a maintenance tech. He sets down a tool box and just lays out a series of tools like he is knolling them for a job. When Kingpin snaps his fingers the hat comes off revealing the Bullseye tattoo as Screwdrivers and hammers break and jam the thrusters of Vultures armor.
I always liked the scene in ultimate spider man when mysterio confronts the kingpin
mysterio's all hey I'm the new guy in town, and kingpin's like 'oh reaaallly' ... and then mysterio just blasts him out his office window and he falls to his death
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Didn't 616 Mysterio shoot himself while simultaneously dying of cancer after trying to use holograms on Daredevil?
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then he came back because people always shit on iconic Daredevil stories.
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Watching Dr Strange again, still a good movie. What are they protecting in the sanctums? What causes the shield? I never see Kaecillius do a ritual to break a seal or anything.
Watching Dr Strange again, still a good movie. What are they protecting in the sanctums? What causes the shield? I never see Kaecillius do a ritual to break a seal or anything.
I thought they were sort focal points for magical energy, more important for their geographic location than anything actually located inside. Like legs on a tripod.
Like, those major cities grew up around them because of their inherent power, not because anybody put anything there. And when Mads & co drop their weird Dormammu Bomb it disrupts the power of the places.
Yeah I don't think they ever get into it, but it's basically implied that the locations themselves are special for general magical font/leylines/etc reasons, so fucking them up is enough to achieve what he was going for.
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I did finally watch Doctor Strange and I enjoyed it. It's not one of my favorites but it was still good. Cumberpatch was great as I knew he would be.
I did enjoy Marvel trying their hardest to science up the magic though. Also, probably the most prominent magical artifact in the comics is a Infinity stone in the MCU. I'm good with that.
For me it was even better because my showing had a group of like 6 teenage girls that just did not get it. As I was leaving, they were asking each other what the hell he was talking about patience for. Perfect
They'd been going at it for a few minutes already, I'm guessing Cap had a sense of how strong Spidey is.
But to take it a step further, he did that while holding back. Imagine what he would've done while fighting to kill.
Yes, trying to actually kill a person who can stop cars ramming into things with their strength sounds like a great idea. All Spidey needs is a single moderately strong hit (which is well within his capabilities at this stage) and Cap would be done.
edit: Don't forget that Spidey was holding back, as well.
Pound for pound, Peter is probably one of the strongest and most dangerous Avengers. We've been over this a few times, including just a few pages ago.
But he's not a trained killer.
Anyway, it was a response to a silly video edit, not a plea to go over their power levels again (OVER 9000!).
He doesn't have to be. Before fighting Cap he was able to casually defeat Winter Soldier (someone Cap himself struggles with) and Falcon, simultaneously. As I said upthread all he needs is one decent hit with his strength and Cap will either be severely injured or dead. Unlike Cap who can't afford any mistakes. Cap is very good, but he's not that good. One hit, and it's over.
Maybe so, I find it silly ignore what both of these characters are capable of when we both know exactly what their powers are. It's kind of difficult not to when talking about a fight sequence.
Getting into Spider-Man power level arguments is a moot point because Spider-Man is the biggest punch-puller in existence. He never hits at full strength because he fights normal humans 90% of the time and is terrified of actually killing someone. Even in the most extreme situations he will never just let the guns rip and decapitate Dr Octopus with an uppercut despite being strong and agile enough to instantly kill nearly everyone he fights.
For the record I enjoy talking about super hero minutia like power levels, but I don't think I've seen any actual debate here. What was the original argument?
Getting into Spider-Man power level arguments is a moot point because Spider-Man is the biggest punch-puller in existence. He never hits at full strength because he fights normal humans 90% of the time and is terrified of actually killing someone. Even in the most extreme situations he will never just let the guns rip and decapitate Dr Octopus with an uppercut despite being strong and agile enough to instantly kill nearly everyone he fights.
Yeah, it's always a near-normal human, or like... The Hulk or Juggernaut, who he can't do shit to.
Getting into Spider-Man power level arguments is a moot point because Spider-Man is the biggest punch-puller in existence. He never hits at full strength because he fights normal humans 90% of the time and is terrified of actually killing someone. Even in the most extreme situations he will never just let the guns rip and decapitate Dr Octopus with an uppercut despite being strong and agile enough to instantly kill nearly everyone he fights.
Yeah, it's always a near-normal human, or like... The Hulk or Juggernaut, who he can't do shit to.
What are you talking about? He can totally make the Hulk angrier.
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Well, he's trying to stay out of the radar of the kind of people who would looking at those kind of people.
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I picture Vulture threating Kingpin on the roof of his tower. Vulture telling the fat man that there is a new crime syndicate and he will allow Kingpin to operate and supply him if Kingpin pays Tribute monthly. Fisk just stares at the flying costume and tells him that his power armor doesn't impress him and he has people that could peal him out of it in minutes. Vulture does the Don't make me laugh thing and says this alien tech can melt steel walls.
What he never noticed is a man moving in the background who looks like a maintenance tech. He sets down a tool box and just lays out a series of tools like he is knolling them for a job. When Kingpin snaps his fingers the hat comes off revealing the Bullseye tattoo as Screwdrivers and hammers break and jam the thrusters of Vultures armor.
mysterio's all hey I'm the new guy in town, and kingpin's like 'oh reaaallly' ... and then mysterio just blasts him out his office window and he falls to his death
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That was when the Ultimate universe got weirder, and since when was 616 Mysterio that much of a cold blooded psychopath?
I thought they were sort focal points for magical energy, more important for their geographic location than anything actually located inside. Like legs on a tripod.
Like, those major cities grew up around them because of their inherent power, not because anybody put anything there. And when Mads & co drop their weird Dormammu Bomb it disrupts the power of the places.
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Though they do have vaguely magic circley windows.
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I did enjoy Marvel trying their hardest to science up the magic though. Also, probably the most prominent magical artifact in the comics is a Infinity stone in the MCU. I'm good with that.
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For me it was even better because my showing had a group of like 6 teenage girls that just did not get it. As I was leaving, they were asking each other what the hell he was talking about patience for. Perfect
Is this what he was intending?
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But to take it a step further, he did that while holding back. Imagine what he would've done while fighting to kill.
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Yes, trying to actually kill a person who can stop cars ramming into things with their strength sounds like a great idea. All Spidey needs is a single moderately strong hit (which is well within his capabilities at this stage) and Cap would be done.
edit: Don't forget that Spidey was holding back, as well.
Pound for pound, Peter is probably one of the strongest and most dangerous Avengers. We've been over this a few times, including just a few pages ago.
But he's not a trained killer.
Anyway, it was a response to a silly video edit, not a plea to go over their power levels again (OVER 9000!).
After Sony pictures folds and Marvel finally has him back.
The future we deserve.
Sony just put out two stinkers in a row. If they fuck up the Spiderman universe they're in deep shit.
I want an on screen version of his Ultra Power from the MvC games. I want to see a movie version of Maximum Spider.
He doesn't have to be. Before fighting Cap he was able to casually defeat Winter Soldier (someone Cap himself struggles with) and Falcon, simultaneously. As I said upthread all he needs is one decent hit with his strength and Cap will either be severely injured or dead. Unlike Cap who can't afford any mistakes. Cap is very good, but he's not that good. One hit, and it's over.
Maybe so, I find it silly ignore what both of these characters are capable of when we both know exactly what their powers are. It's kind of difficult not to when talking about a fight sequence.
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Yeah, it's always a near-normal human, or like... The Hulk or Juggernaut, who he can't do shit to.
this movie would've been much shorter if he had just killed him in one hit
What are you talking about? He can totally make the Hulk angrier.
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