Ghost-Spider is such a dumb name. That's the best you could do? Just use Arachne since Julia Carpenter is dead or Madame or Spider or whatever, hell co-opt a Slinger's name instead.
Characters are licenses now. Can't call Spider-Gwen "Arachne" without muddling the rights to both characters. Ghost Spider is a secondary name they can use for the character without conflating her with another license.
As far as I know Marvel owns all those licenses, that's why it's odd. What's she called in other adaptions?
Sony still owns the rights to Spider-Man and related spider-people in movies. In their contract they have to distinguish different spider people based on their individual brands so that the company can't change too much of the characters without Marvel's consent, and thus create a possible fight for who actually owns the liscence rights on a particular character. She-Hulk and Spider-Woman exist because in the 60s-70s Marvel discovered that if the production companies making shows with Spider-Man and Hulk decided to make female versions of those characters, the production companies would own those rights.
It's why the Sony contract says Peter Parker has to be white, male and straight, why Miles Morales has to be black-latino, and why Pavitr Prabhakar has to be Indian. If Sony changes the character, they could end up making a legal case that they own the rights to their modified character. So, everything needs to be laid out in terms of who each character is, and placed in well defined little niches. Also important is that the Sony contract is continually updated with lists of people and characters related to the brand. So, they updated it to add Miles Morales, Silk, and Spider-Gwen, for instance.
So, Gwen needs a name that isn't "Spider-Woman" or "Spider-Gwen" that distinguishes her in the presence of other characters* in this new show/movie by Marvel, but isn't currently inhabited by another character. So she gets a new name.
*This is probably because Jessica Drew will likely be in, but not star in, this project. Which is likely because she's Carol's best friend and Gwen's mentor/confidant.
There are many Spider-woman already, having a more popular one shouldn't change a thing, and she's Spider-woman in the comics.
How specific is the Sony contract? Could they make a Black Peter Parker if they wanted to? Miles Morales is Spider-man in his appearances IIRC.
Specifically, Sony cannot deviate from the specifics of the characters in the comics. So Peter Parker (616 Spider-Man) must be white, straight, and male as he appears in the comics, Miles Morales must be black-latino, straight and male as he appears in the comics, ect. Notably this is what caused some uproar a few years back, because sites reported on how Peter specifically had to be a certain race, sexuality, and gender in the leaked Sony contract and people took it to mean Marvel was doing it to stop them from diversifying the movies.
This doesn't stop Marvel from changing things, but is intended to stop Sony from changing things.
IIRC Sony only owns the movies rights. Do they have anything to do with the Miles Morales film? Are they involved in Secret Warriors?
From your description the deal breaker is that they should be true to the character underneath the mask, which should be the case with Gwen's Spider-woman regardless of what her super-hero alias is.
The Miles Morales movie is entirely by Sony.
Marvel is doing the "Marvel Rising: Secret Warriors" film. I also pointed out why I think they went with a new name several posts back
It just seems weird and contradictory that what Marvel can and can't do with spider-characters is over the gender lines, I'd have thought Sony would own Spider-Gwen's movie rights lock, stock and barrel. What they call her as a super-hero shouldn't be bale to shield her from Sony at all. If they called Miles the Tarantula and put him in an animated team movie like Secret Warriors would we be seeing something identical to what they're doing here?
If they started calling Miles "The Tarantula" they'd probably have to update the Sony contract to include that name and character description, which is what they did when Miles was introduced.
Wouldn't Gwen fall under the Spider-woman umbrella contract wise? That's always been here super-hero alias, Spider-Gwen was just a fan nickname/title of her comic book.
Would Sony be able to make a Spider-woman movie, like say about Jessica Drew?
Yes, the problem is that if Sony goes too far out of what the character is as they exist in comics, there is a possibility they could argue they made a new character, and thus have the rights to them, and that isn't something Marvel wants.
Ghost-Spider is such a dumb name. That's the best you could do? Just use Arachne since Julia Carpenter is dead or Madame or Spider or whatever, hell co-opt a Slinger's name instead.
Characters are licenses now. Can't call Spider-Gwen "Arachne" without muddling the rights to both characters. Ghost Spider is a secondary name they can use for the character without conflating her with another license.
As far as I know Marvel owns all those licenses, that's why it's odd. What's she called in other adaptions?
Sony still owns the rights to Spider-Man and related spider-people in movies. In their contract they have to distinguish different spider people based on their individual brands so that the company can't change too much of the characters without Marvel's consent, and thus create a possible fight for who actually owns the liscence rights on a particular character. She-Hulk and Spider-Woman exist because in the 60s-70s Marvel discovered that if the production companies making shows with Spider-Man and Hulk decided to make female versions of those characters, the production companies would own those rights.
It's why the Sony contract says Peter Parker has to be white, male and straight, why Miles Morales has to be black-latino, and why Pavitr Prabhakar has to be Indian. If Sony changes the character, they could end up making a legal case that they own the rights to their modified character. So, everything needs to be laid out in terms of who each character is, and placed in well defined little niches. Also important is that the Sony contract is continually updated with lists of people and characters related to the brand. So, they updated it to add Miles Morales, Silk, and Spider-Gwen, for instance.
So, Gwen needs a name that isn't "Spider-Woman" or "Spider-Gwen" that distinguishes her in the presence of other characters* in this new show/movie by Marvel, but isn't currently inhabited by another character. So she gets a new name.
*This is probably because Jessica Drew will likely be in, but not star in, this project. Which is likely because she's Carol's best friend and Gwen's mentor/confidant.
There are many Spider-woman already, having a more popular one shouldn't change a thing, and she's Spider-woman in the comics.
How specific is the Sony contract? Could they make a Black Peter Parker if they wanted to? Miles Morales is Spider-man in his appearances IIRC.
Specifically, Sony cannot deviate from the specifics of the characters in the comics. So Peter Parker (616 Spider-Man) must be white, straight, and male as he appears in the comics, Miles Morales must be black-latino, straight and male as he appears in the comics, ect. Notably this is what caused some uproar a few years back, because sites reported on how Peter specifically had to be a certain race, sexuality, and gender in the leaked Sony contract and people took it to mean Marvel was doing it to stop them from diversifying the movies.
This doesn't stop Marvel from changing things, but is intended to stop Sony from changing things.
IIRC Sony only owns the movies rights. Do they have anything to do with the Miles Morales film? Are they involved in Secret Warriors?
From your description the deal breaker is that they should be true to the character underneath the mask, which should be the case with Gwen's Spider-woman regardless of what her super-hero alias is.
The Miles Morales movie is entirely by Sony.
Marvel is doing the "Marvel Rising: Secret Warriors" film. I also pointed out why I think they went with a new name several posts back
It just seems weird and contradictory that what Marvel can and can't do with spider-characters is over the gender lines, I'd have thought Sony would own Spider-Gwen's movie rights lock, stock and barrel. What they call her as a super-hero shouldn't be bale to shield her from Sony at all. If they called Miles the Tarantula and put him in an animated team movie like Secret Warriors would we be seeing something identical to what they're doing here?
If they started calling Miles "The Tarantula" they'd probably have to update the Sony contract to include that name and character description, which is what they did when Miles was introduced.
Wouldn't Gwen fall under the Spider-woman umbrella contract wise? That's always been here super-hero alias, Spider-Gwen was just a fan nickname/title of her comic book.
Would Sony be able to make a Spider-woman movie, like say about Jessica Drew?
Yes, the problem is that if Sony goes too far out of what the character is as they exist in comics, there is a possibility they could argue they made a new character, and thus have the rights to them, and that isn't something Marvel wants.
What Marvel/Disney wants is to get all of their rights back.
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So I just watched The Punisher, and somethings seriously been nagging me about it so I thought I'd ask here
After the shootout between the Homeland people and Billy's men he goes to console midani. At one point he mentions something about her partner getting stabbed to death. How the hell would he know about that? I highly doubt those details (or any details) of the firefight would be in the news, especially that quickly. It just seems like a plothole that she didn't immediately know what was up after he said that. She does a sort of double-take when he does say it so I thought she was just biding her time to strike but nooooope.
That is pretty much what she does. She’s suspicious from that point on.
I thought she became suspicious upon discovering that the mercs were from Anvil? She never mentions it, and honestly it shouldn't make her just sort of suspicious, it should all but confirm that he killed her partner. She didn't act that way at all, even in scenes where she was by herself.
edit: When she confronts Billy she's all "there was a fifth guy there who got away" .. instead of "Hey motherfucker how could you possibly know steins was stabbed to death?!?"
I'm not buying it, unless there's something more concrete that I skipped over in my viewing it seems like she completely missed that part but became suspicious anyway.
That is pretty much what she does. She’s suspicious from that point on.
I thought she became suspicious upon discovering that the mercs were from Anvil? She never mentions it, and honestly it shouldn't make her just sort of suspicious, it should all but confirm that he killed her partner. She didn't act that way at all, even in scenes where she was by herself.
edit: When she confronts Billy she's all "there was a fifth guy there who got away" .. instead of "Hey motherfucker how could you possibly know steins was stabbed to death?!?"
I'm not buying it, unless there's something more concrete that I skipped over in my viewing it seems like she completely missed that part but became suspicious anyway.
Late in the season talk:
The fact that he's there to comfort her at all does infer that someone called him and maybe gave him some basic details. Plus he's plugged into that world and knows people, its entirely plausible that he knows what happened before seeing her
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That is pretty much what she does. She’s suspicious from that point on.
I thought she became suspicious upon discovering that the mercs were from Anvil? She never mentions it, and honestly it shouldn't make her just sort of suspicious, it should all but confirm that he killed her partner. She didn't act that way at all, even in scenes where she was by herself.
edit: When she confronts Billy she's all "there was a fifth guy there who got away" .. instead of "Hey motherfucker how could you possibly know steins was stabbed to death?!?"
I'm not buying it, unless there's something more concrete that I skipped over in my viewing it seems like she completely missed that part but became suspicious anyway.
Late in the season talk:
The fact that he's there to comfort her at all does infer that someone called him and maybe gave him some basic details. Plus he's plugged into that world and knows people, its entirely plausible that he knows what happened before seeing her
It had just happened though, soon enough that he was helping wash the blood off her. Doesn't make sense that somene would tell him about it that quickly without knowing his relationship with midani (and no one knew) and it doesn't make sense that he would ask someone that quickly about it without advanced knowledge of the operation, which he wasn't supposed to have. I assume he was over there because she called him
That is pretty much what she does. She’s suspicious from that point on.
I thought she became suspicious upon discovering that the mercs were from Anvil? She never mentions it, and honestly it shouldn't make her just sort of suspicious, it should all but confirm that he killed her partner. She didn't act that way at all, even in scenes where she was by herself.
edit: When she confronts Billy she's all "there was a fifth guy there who got away" .. instead of "Hey motherfucker how could you possibly know steins was stabbed to death?!?"
I'm not buying it, unless there's something more concrete that I skipped over in my viewing it seems like she completely missed that part but became suspicious anyway.
Late in the season talk:
The fact that he's there to comfort her at all does infer that someone called him and maybe gave him some basic details. Plus he's plugged into that world and knows people, its entirely plausible that he knows what happened before seeing her
It had just happened though, soon enough that he was helping wash the blood off her. Doesn't make sense that somene would tell him about it that quickly without knowing his relationship with midani (and no one knew) and it doesn't make sense that he would ask someone that quickly about it without advanced knowledge of the operation, which he wasn't supposed to have. I assume he was over there because she called him
Still late season.
He also didn't show up in tactical gear and she had likely been debriefed/cleared to go home. Blood or not hours have likely passed in between then and the shoot out.
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Saw Homecoming. Pretty good. The main characters were solid, Peter, Tony, Vulture guy. The secondary characters were pretty awful though. Peter's high school buddy was annoying as hell, though he redeemed himself a little when he was chair guy towards the end (the cliche thing where the sidekick blurts out something he shouldn't that puts the protagonist on the spot needs to die). Penis Parker dude was pathetic, only reason he was there was to show that Peter was picked on and they did it in the laziest way possible. MJ was Poochie trying waaaaayyyyy too hard to be edgy. She was the end result of someone seeing Deadpool's "Look! I'm a teenage girl! I'd rather be anywhere than here! I'm all about long sullen silences, followed by mean comments, followed by more silences!" and thinking that sounded like a great idea for a character. I'm not sure what was up with Aunt May, for some reason she seemed off from how she was in Civil War.
It had the absolutely worst example of killing an emotional moment with humor, bathroom humor no less, I've seen.
The Favreau/Paltrow/RDJ banter was tight, per usual. I'm glad the coughed up to get her on set for the day or two of shooting that scene needed. Stark works best when there's someone who throws snark right back at him.
The suit antics were fun. A Spiderman backed by Stark tech has a lot of possibilities. Lord knows we've done enough films with broke-ass Peter Parker just managing to scrape by, so this will be a nice change.
Best second stinger of any Marvel film. Better than schwarma.
Worth watching, not worth buying, at least for me. The conflict between Stark and Peter required a little too much idiot ball and too many of the secondary characters needed to die (and didn't).
Seriously, Tony called the FBI about the Vulture's gang but didn't mention that to Peter? And it's not like Tony did this on the basis of a voicemail, he would have done it after they had their first face to face, so WTF?
I get it, Tony has bad communication skills and doesn't work well with others, but take stuff like that too far and it stops becoming a character flaw and degrades into a simple plot device.
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It's never, ever gonna happen, but I would love it if there was the tiniest easter egg in Infinity War referencing in particular the Netflix superheroes. In keeping with the Netflix series' "the green guy", they could talk about "the snarky one" and "Visually Impaired, Esq."
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I liked that nerdy Flash bullied Peter socially. In my past experience as a nerdy teen, and the actor playing Peter Parker actually went undercover for research at my old high school, I've never been in a fight. I've never even seen a fight. But man, words cut deep. Plus, it never made sense for impossibly strong Peter to feel physically threatened by a jock Flash...?
But MJ I agree they tried waaaay too hard to make cool and edgy. I like the actress and I, as with Flash, like the idea of a nerdy MJ but I think it's apt to say it felt like a Poochie situation, just too much... framing? Not sure of the right word to describe how artificial it felt.
And the worst thing is I liked all of her snarky lines, they always had them interplay really well with either Peter or Deadpan Snarker Teacher. In my ideal version they'd just cut down a few of them so it's not so obviously trying to feed her good lines.
If you think they're trying too hard with MJ, congrats, you got halfway to understanding the character. The character herself is trying too hard, that's her thing. She's trying to be edgy and weird because she's a high schooler, and they regularly show that this is basically her really awkwardly acting out to try and get attention, particularly from Peter.
Her remembering details about him in quiz club is that. Her hanging out with him in detention is that. Her having a million personal edgy outsider lines about getting in some light protesting or not celebrating a monument built by slaves or throwing up a middle finger salute to Peter at the prom, while each individually cute, was a bridge too far.
No one is misunderstanding this character, if anything you're head-canon painting in some false depth. Oh, it's deliberately heavyhanded. Yea and the Kessel Run takes place near some black holes and it's a navigational challenge so you see parsecs make sense as a unit of measure so congratulations you're halfway there to understanding the complex depth of the setting George Lucas was crafting.
MJ reminded me of some friends from High School with the exception that they were a lot more persistently awkward and annoying in their attempts to get a cool line in.
Her remembering details about him in quiz club is that. Her hanging out with him in detention is that. Her having a million personal edgy outsider lines about getting in some light protesting or not celebrating a monument built by slaves or throwing up a middle finger salute to Peter at the prom, while each individually cute, was a bridge too far.
No one is misunderstanding this character, if anything you're head-canon painting in some false depth. Oh, it's deliberately heavyhanded. Yea and the Kessel Run takes place near some black holes and it's a navigational challenge so you see parsecs make sense as a unit of measure so congratulations you're halfway there to understanding the complex depth of the setting George Lucas was crafting.
Her remembering details about him in quiz club is that. Her hanging out with him in detention is that. Her having a million personal edgy outsider lines about getting in some light protesting or not celebrating a monument built by slaves or throwing up a middle finger salute to Peter at the prom, while each individually cute, was a bridge too far.
Wait, that is what you were talking about with her "being edgy"? Social consciousness? One of the defining identity traits of the last two generations?
Her remembering details about him in quiz club is that. Her hanging out with him in detention is that. Her having a million personal edgy outsider lines about getting in some light protesting or not celebrating a monument built by slaves or throwing up a middle finger salute to Peter at the prom, while each individually cute, was a bridge too far.
Wait, that is what you were talking about with her "being edgy"? Social consciousness? One of the defining identity traits of the last two generations?
Dave Franco from 21 Jump Street and MJ in Homecoming both told me that I'm getting old because I can't even imagine teens caring about the environment much less being considered cool for it
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Yes, the problem is that if Sony goes too far out of what the character is as they exist in comics, there is a possibility they could argue they made a new character, and thus have the rights to them, and that isn't something Marvel wants.
What Marvel/Disney wants is to get all of their rights back.
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Maybe Ben Parker was a teacher at her high school or college.
Either that or Spider-Man swings around the city randomly yelling, "with great power comes great responsibility!"
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edit: When she confronts Billy she's all "there was a fifth guy there who got away" .. instead of "Hey motherfucker how could you possibly know steins was stabbed to death?!?"
I'm not buying it, unless there's something more concrete that I skipped over in my viewing it seems like she completely missed that part but became suspicious anyway.
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It had the absolutely worst example of killing an emotional moment with humor, bathroom humor no less, I've seen.
The Favreau/Paltrow/RDJ banter was tight, per usual. I'm glad the coughed up to get her on set for the day or two of shooting that scene needed. Stark works best when there's someone who throws snark right back at him.
The suit antics were fun. A Spiderman backed by Stark tech has a lot of possibilities. Lord knows we've done enough films with broke-ass Peter Parker just managing to scrape by, so this will be a nice change.
Best second stinger of any Marvel film. Better than schwarma.
Worth watching, not worth buying, at least for me. The conflict between Stark and Peter required a little too much idiot ball and too many of the secondary characters needed to die (and didn't).
I get it, Tony has bad communication skills and doesn't work well with others, but take stuff like that too far and it stops becoming a character flaw and degrades into a simple plot device.
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But MJ I agree they tried waaaay too hard to make cool and edgy. I like the actress and I, as with Flash, like the idea of a nerdy MJ but I think it's apt to say it felt like a Poochie situation, just too much... framing? Not sure of the right word to describe how artificial it felt.
And the worst thing is I liked all of her snarky lines, they always had them interplay really well with either Peter or Deadpan Snarker Teacher. In my ideal version they'd just cut down a few of them so it's not so obviously trying to feed her good lines.
No one is misunderstanding this character, if anything you're head-canon painting in some false depth. Oh, it's deliberately heavyhanded. Yea and the Kessel Run takes place near some black holes and it's a navigational challenge so you see parsecs make sense as a unit of measure so congratulations you're halfway there to understanding the complex depth of the setting George Lucas was crafting.
The snarky sass is strong with this one, Obiwan.
Wait, that is what you were talking about with her "being edgy"? Social consciousness? One of the defining identity traits of the last two generations?
About an African-American character, no less.
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I hope they gut and reboot the franchise and tie it in with the main MCU post Infinity Gauntlet shenanigans.
I think the current slate of X-Men films that are filming will be their last "their own thing" and two or three years from now we'll get an MCU X-Men film.
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