Saw this posted today by a buddy of mine. This very much reminded me of my conversations about the need for god with @spool32 . Hit pretty much right on the money on a lot of my base belief system.
This is a little spoilery for Rick and Morty if you haven't seen it. And if you haven't seen Rick and Morty, you should.
I will say, I think Apo keeps asking because the responses to his questions have been confused, incoherent, inconsistent, and unsatisfying, specifically in this area.
I have seen many discussions on this point and never grasped the argument of the side I myself tend to be politically aligned with.
What happens is the discussion starts, and work or time zones intervene, and it is not satisfactorily concluded
I think there is probably a nugget of thought on cultural appropriation that I agree with wholeheartedly, but I think there is a lot that I probably am not willing to align with (I've mentioned recently that I've been thinking of buying some keffiyehs, and have as a result fallen down a weird hole of this stuff that has mostly left me confused).
Appropriate away. I'm kind of down with cultural appropriation, it is often how we get new and interesting takes on things. It's also how we got modern BBQ.
You can have cultural exchange without being appropriative; the issue isn't that modern BBQ exists, but that presumably the originating culture hasn't received just compense for their contribution to the greater BBQ zeitgeist.
what would just compense entail?
EDIT: like, wide recognition of the history, or something else?
That, and full social, political, and economic justice.
that's... a lot to put on modern BBQ to be beholden to.
Like the fact the sound of an entire generation of what consider guitar greats was influence/created by a Native American both made me sad I didn't know that and is also awesome.
Ironically, shemaghs have become really popular with grunting, shitheaded dudebros, racist dickbags, and Trump supporters
not out of solidarity with middle eastern cultures or anything, but because they see bearded sleeveless spec-for operator guys that they idolize wearing them. There's a specific look that has come to typify the American soldier in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflict (and all the fucked up stuff that goes along with that) and it's basically this guy:
See that shemagh he's wearing around his neck? Yeah, a lot of American and other allied soldiers started wearing those in Iraq and Afghanistan for a variety of different reasons (they're practical, for one thing) and because these ding dongs see these totally bad ass dudes wearing them, they want to wear them too. Totally ignoring the cultural context of why, or the original culture they came from, or whatever.
In one of those shitty DayZ clone games that my brother plays, the shemagh is just called an "Operator Scarf". Y'know, it's just that cool scarf that operator dudes wear!
lordie...
the people wearing them as a political statement don't really have much to do with the original culture they came from either, I suppose. Mainly because there isn't a the original culture with them being so widespread back into the region's prehistory.
Also yeah I guess shemagh is the more common term for it if it's via the military vector.
Do you think that there's a meaningful difference between an Arab person wearing one and a literal occupying soldier or a copy-cat, though?
Ironically, shemaghs have become really popular with grunting, shitheaded dudebros, racist dickbags, and Trump supporters
not out of solidarity with middle eastern cultures or anything, but because they see bearded sleeveless spec-for operator guys that they idolize wearing them. There's a specific look that has come to typify the American soldier in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflict (and all the fucked up stuff that goes along with that) and it's basically this guy:
See that shemagh he's wearing around his neck? Yeah, a lot of American and other allied soldiers started wearing those in Iraq and Afghanistan for a variety of different reasons (they're practical, for one thing) and because these ding dongs see these totally bad ass dudes wearing them, they want to wear them too. Totally ignoring the cultural context of why, or the original culture they came from, or whatever.
In one of those shitty DayZ clone games that my brother plays, the shemagh is just called an "Operator Scarf". Y'know, it's just that cool scarf that operator dudes wear!
lordie...
the people wearing them as a political statement don't really have much to do with the original culture they came from either, I suppose. Mainly because there isn't a the original culture with them being so widespread back into the region's prehistory.
Also yeah I guess shemagh is the more common term for it if it's via the military vector.
I think that's one of the more interesting parts of the thing, to me, because you end up with a lot of cultural claims on what turns out to be a big cotton square. Some of the patterns can have meaning, but the understanding of it as a thing is slightly broader... despite the fact that I'm pretty sure something like it was the first thing that came out of a loom.
+1
Options
zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
Oh no chat is having a respectful serious discussion everybody please arm yourselves with your dankest memes and highest quality shitposts and fire at will
I want to purge my clothes, but I cannot figure out where to locally donate clothes so some of my unwanted clothes have been hanging out in a trashbag forever and it's sort of blocking my ability to get rid of more clothes
credeiki on
Steam, LoL: credeiki
0
Options
zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
I want to purge my clothes, but I cannot figure out where to locally donate clothes so my unwanted clothes have been hanging out in a trashbag forever and it's sort of blocking my ability to get rid of more clothes
Ironically, shemaghs have become really popular with grunting, shitheaded dudebros, racist dickbags, and Trump supporters
not out of solidarity with middle eastern cultures or anything, but because they see bearded sleeveless spec-for operator guys that they idolize wearing them. There's a specific look that has come to typify the American soldier in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflict (and all the fucked up stuff that goes along with that) and it's basically this guy:
See that shemagh he's wearing around his neck? Yeah, a lot of American and other allied soldiers started wearing those in Iraq and Afghanistan for a variety of different reasons (they're practical, for one thing) and because these ding dongs see these totally bad ass dudes wearing them, they want to wear them too. Totally ignoring the cultural context of why, or the original culture they came from, or whatever.
In one of those shitty DayZ clone games that my brother plays, the shemagh is just called an "Operator Scarf". Y'know, it's just that cool scarf that operator dudes wear!
lordie...
the people wearing them as a political statement don't really have much to do with the original culture they came from either, I suppose. Mainly because there isn't a the original culture with them being so widespread back into the region's prehistory.
Also yeah I guess shemagh is the more common term for it if it's via the military vector.
Ironically, shemaghs have become really popular with grunting, shitheaded dudebros, racist dickbags, and Trump supporters
not out of solidarity with middle eastern cultures or anything, but because they see bearded sleeveless spec-for operator guys that they idolize wearing them. There's a specific look that has come to typify the American soldier in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflict (and all the fucked up stuff that goes along with that) and it's basically this guy:
See that shemagh he's wearing around his neck? Yeah, a lot of American and other allied soldiers started wearing those in Iraq and Afghanistan for a variety of different reasons (they're practical, for one thing) and because these ding dongs see these totally bad ass dudes wearing them, they want to wear them too. Totally ignoring the cultural context of why, or the original culture they came from, or whatever.
In one of those shitty DayZ clone games that my brother plays, the shemagh is just called an "Operator Scarf". Y'know, it's just that cool scarf that operator dudes wear!
lordie...
the people wearing them as a political statement don't really have much to do with the original culture they came from either, I suppose. Mainly because there isn't a the original culture with them being so widespread back into the region's prehistory.
Also yeah I guess shemagh is the more common term for it if it's via the military vector.
Do you think that there's a meaningful difference between an Arab person wearing one and a literal occupying soldier or a copy-cat, though?
copy-cat of the soldiers or?
0
Options
AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
I want to purge my clothes, but I cannot figure out where to locally donate clothes so my unwanted clothes have been hanging out in a trashbag forever and it's sort of blocking my ability to get rid of more clothes
Are there no donation bins near any malls?
I haven't seen any! And there's no goodwill or anything near me, I think...? I've looked before and haven't come up with a good solution.
100 people were in line for a new chik fil a opening. That just makes me sad.
Isn't that the first one in Seattle?
Nah this was in totem lake which is so far east of seattle for people who live in seattle it might as well be spokane. But its not even the first one in the state.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Ironically, shemaghs have become really popular with grunting, shitheaded dudebros, racist dickbags, and Trump supporters
not out of solidarity with middle eastern cultures or anything, but because they see bearded sleeveless spec-for operator guys that they idolize wearing them. There's a specific look that has come to typify the American soldier in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflict (and all the fucked up stuff that goes along with that) and it's basically this guy:
See that shemagh he's wearing around his neck? Yeah, a lot of American and other allied soldiers started wearing those in Iraq and Afghanistan for a variety of different reasons (they're practical, for one thing) and because these ding dongs see these totally bad ass dudes wearing them, they want to wear them too. Totally ignoring the cultural context of why, or the original culture they came from, or whatever.
In one of those shitty DayZ clone games that my brother plays, the shemagh is just called an "Operator Scarf". Y'know, it's just that cool scarf that operator dudes wear!
lordie...
the people wearing them as a political statement don't really have much to do with the original culture they came from either, I suppose. Mainly because there isn't a the original culture with them being so widespread back into the region's prehistory.
Also yeah I guess shemagh is the more common term for it if it's via the military vector.
I think that's one of the more interesting parts of the thing, to me, because you end up with a lot of cultural claims on what turns out to be a big cotton square. Some of the patterns can have meaning, but the understanding of it as a thing is slightly broader... despite the fact that I'm pretty sure something like it was the first thing that came out of a loom.
"[ancient aramaic curse] I am so fucking sick of this fucking sand in my mouth"
"I've got some great news for you"
+1
Options
Captain Ultralow resolution pictures of birdsRegistered Userregular
I want to purge my clothes, but I cannot figure out where to locally donate clothes so some of my unwanted clothes have been hanging out in a trashbag forever and it's sort of blocking my ability to get rid of more clothes
I will say, I think Apo keeps asking because the responses to his questions have been confused, incoherent, inconsistent, and unsatisfying, specifically in this area.
I have seen many discussions on this point and never grasped the argument of the side I myself tend to be politically aligned with.
What happens is the discussion starts, and work or time zones intervene, and it is not satisfactorily concluded
I think there is probably a nugget of thought on cultural appropriation that I agree with wholeheartedly, but I think there is a lot that I probably am not willing to align with (I've mentioned recently that I've been thinking of buying some keffiyehs, and have as a result fallen down a weird hole of this stuff that has mostly left me confused).
Appropriate away. I'm kind of down with cultural appropriation, it is often how we get new and interesting takes on things. It's also how we got modern BBQ.
You can have cultural exchange without being appropriative; the issue isn't that modern BBQ exists, but that presumably the originating culture hasn't received just compense for their contribution to the greater BBQ zeitgeist.
what would just compense entail?
EDIT: like, wide recognition of the history, or something else?
That, and full social, political, and economic justice.
that's... a lot to put on modern BBQ to be beholden to.
It's not on BBQ, it's on white hegemony with the context of BBQ being just one more thing
Posts
Stevie Salas reveals the unsung contributions of Native American musicians to rock history
Like this was fascinating and a good listen.
That was a cool video
Sorry I've been radicalized by this whole issue and I'm turning to violence to enforce my views on what is s legitimate definition of breakfast
yes i have read it
i half did it once before i moved but not full on
i do fold my shirts her way tho, it's very nice
i just need to get rid of things but i keep being too lazy or overwhelmed to tackle it
there's stuff of value i want to get rid of that feels dumb to throw away and not sell and get some money out of
but selling things is a whole thing
that's... a lot to put on modern BBQ to be beholden to.
Done.
This is something I miss from my pharmacy days. An immune system wrought out of steel and carved out of granite.
Also sorry for the sads. The weekend is here and I will get to go home to lady jubs here in a few hours so yay!
Like ham, or american cheese
pleasepaypreacher.net
Isn't that the first one in Seattle?
Is a grilled cheese a sandwich? Because American Cheese is required for those.
to me this sounds like "it's nice I never break bones anymore because I have broken them fifty-seven times"
Do you think that there's a meaningful difference between an Arab person wearing one and a literal occupying soldier or a copy-cat, though?
I think that's one of the more interesting parts of the thing, to me, because you end up with a lot of cultural claims on what turns out to be a big cotton square. Some of the patterns can have meaning, but the understanding of it as a thing is slightly broader... despite the fact that I'm pretty sure something like it was the first thing that came out of a loom.
oh, why
because everything that lays men low has hit me at one point
I AM ESPORTS
Are there no donation bins near any malls?
copy-cat of the soldiers or?
you've obviously not had grilled cheese with good cheddar, or gruyere, or brie
this cat is 10 pounds but 5 of them are his giant gremlin face
I haven't seen any! And there's no goodwill or anything near me, I think...? I've looked before and haven't come up with a good solution.
You can do grilled cheese with cheddar if you shred it first.
The increased surface area results in a more stable melting/emulsion.
This man was Shawnee. And basically influenced the entire late 60's early 70's musical scene, the Punk scene, and basically everything afterwards.
And I didn't know.
And I was like, this is cool.
Nah this was in totem lake which is so far east of seattle for people who live in seattle it might as well be spokane. But its not even the first one in the state.
pleasepaypreacher.net
"[ancient aramaic curse] I am so fucking sick of this fucking sand in my mouth"
"I've got some great news for you"
hmm, maybe...
Is there not a goodwill near you?
It's not on BBQ, it's on white hegemony with the context of BBQ being just one more thing
I
I don't want my face to fall off