The 'weird' thing about the JFK stuff is that some of it was held back. Some are speculating that it may be for some future distraction.
That's also not surprising. The release act did give some conditions, and sources or agents still vulnerable to compromise was a big one. It was on urging of the intelligence community that Trump delayed the full release, meaning it's likely someone named in them is still alive and keeping secrets somewhere out of their protection.
To be clear, I'm just asking questions mentioning it as something that's out there. It wouldn't surprise me either way that it was held back as a future distraction or simply as some sort of pro forma intelligence rule. And neither would it surprise me to see Trump force the release of withheld documents to cause a distraction or perhaps because it names a democrat so they can bothsides it up.
I personally can't wait to see them claim these charges as fake news. I know they'll really mean 'false', but the presentation that it is somehow not happening at all would make me chortle. A full on guffaw would be had if they frog march a Trump, any Trump, as they're shouting 'FAKE NEWS!'
To confirm, and trying to place ourselves in the mind of the republican voter, there's nothing new in this whole Clinton nonsense correct? It's just the old "Clinton foundation was secretly Hydra" nonsense?
To confirm, and trying to place ourselves in the mind of the republican voter, there's nothing new in this whole Clinton nonsense correct? It's just the old "Clinton foundation was secretly Hydra" nonsense?
Yup.
Basically Clinton didn't violate established protocol to stop a private company from selling to another private (Russian) company. Absolutely zero evidence she was even aware of the deal happening much less that she stepped in to exert any influence.
To confirm, and trying to place ourselves in the mind of the republican voter, there's nothing new in this whole Clinton nonsense correct? It's just the old "Clinton foundation was secretly Hydra" nonsense?
It's basically "While investigating treasonous acts, the trail led to Russia where the thrice removed investigator paid his local contacts for information. Thus the real treason was Hillary all along, nailed it you guys."
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Even if Trump knew nothing at first, he obstructed justice by hampering the investigation into the collusion. In the case of him merely looking into sqashing what to him would look like rumors (assuming he really knew nothing) he did wildly illegal things, not to mention how incompetent he’d have to come off to sell that everyone around him, including blood relatives, was in league with Russia and he didn’t know? His ego can’t repel firepower of that magnitude! To admit that he knows nothing at all about the world, business, his own family? Its the only sell that could possibly let him get away with it in a court of law, and I don’t think the man has it in him.
Can't Trump just claim that he believed the investigation was bogus and a waste of resources, and that's why he tried to squash it? They have to prove ill intent which is really hard if Trump covered his tracks properly. Of course, this would be an odd time for Trump to suddenly not make any mistakes. If he was knowingly involved and things heat up enough it's easy to imagine a Few Good Men scenario, except instead of a passionate speech on the stand it's a 3am tweet.
It isn't it up to Trump to decide which investigations into his own dealings are and are not bogus. That's dictatorial bullshit.
How Team Hillary played the press for fools on Russia
Hillary Clinton’s campaign didn’t just pay for the Kremlin-aided smear job on Donald Trump before the election; she continued to use the dirt after the election to frame her humiliating loss as a Russian conspiracy to steal the election.
Bitter to the core, she and her campaign aides hatched a scheme, just 24 hours after conceding the race, to spoon-feed the dirty rumors to an eager liberal media and manufacture the narrative that Russia secretly colluded with her neophyte foe to sabotage her coronation.
But it was Hillary who was trying to kneecap Trump, even after he licked her, fair and square, in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and other blue states.
I'd personally suggest against reading the article. CNN's ceaseless credulity at the administrations platitudes was, somehow, even worse than the czilla article upthread. They're being presented hawaiian pizza and calling it as American as Apple pie
On the other hand, it's hard to think of anything much more American than Hawaiian Pizza though...
The whole promising to give money to a deceased soldier's father and then not doing it until pressure to by the press was last week wasn't it?
Didn't see this bit of news from last weekend pop up in the thread yet. Seems a pretty terrible decision alongside getting personally involved with interviewing DAs, being either further evidence of a cover-up and trying to buy off people involved with money and favours or a complete nightmare when you decide your not going to pay them anymore if they say things you don't like.
President Donald Trump intends to spend at least $430,000 of his own money to help pay the legal bills of White House staff and campaign aides related to the investigations into Russian election meddling in the 2016 election, a White House official said on Saturday.
It was the first such commitment by Trump, who has dismissed the ongoing investigations into whether his campaign colluded with Russia as a “witch-hunt” invented by Democrats to explain Hillary Clinton’s loss.
It was not immediately clear how the payouts would be structured or which aides would be receiving them. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the president’s plans, which were first reported by the website Axios.
Norman Eisen, an ethics lawyer in the Obama administration, said the offer “raises substantial questions under federal criminal law and federal ethics law”, including whether it might be construed as part of an effort to glean more favorable testimony and whether current federal employees are even allowed to accept such gifts.
“Whenever an individual who is the focus of an investigation, as President Trump is the focus of this investigation, offers anything of value to witnesses who may be able to affect the course of the investigation, that raises very serious questions on a variety of legal authorities,” he said.
Eisen said he would have hesitated to recommend such an offer and warned it would probably draw prosecutorial scrutiny.
Trump and his aides have been racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees as special counsel Robert Mueller and House and Senate committees dig deeper into Russia’s role in the campaign.
Mueller’s team of investigators has been interviewing current and former White House officials in their inquiry, and Trump campaign officials and others have turned over tens of thousands of emails and documents to federal and congressional investigators.
One former campaign aide, Michael Caputo, has spoken publicly about the financial toll the legal bills have taken on his family, including having to empty out his children’s college savings accounts.
The Republican National Committee and the president’s re-election campaign have been covering some of the costs, including payments to the law firm representing Trump’s oldest son, Donald Trump Jr, who in June 2016 met a Russian lawyer and others who had promised to deliver dirt on Clinton.
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How Team Hillary played the press for fools on Russia
Hillary Clinton’s campaign didn’t just pay for the Kremlin-aided smear job on Donald Trump before the election; she continued to use the dirt after the election to frame her humiliating loss as a Russian conspiracy to steal the election.
Bitter to the core, she and her campaign aides hatched a scheme, just 24 hours after conceding the race, to spoon-feed the dirty rumors to an eager liberal media and manufacture the narrative that Russia secretly colluded with her neophyte foe to sabotage her coronation.
But it was Hillary who was trying to kneecap Trump, even after he licked her, fair and square, in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and other blue states.
In US law, "public figures" are held to a much higher burden-of-proof standard for filing defamation charges (which is especially fun if the defamee is some random person who went viral one day!), and if an article even implies it's an opinion piece that's a few more layers of protection for the writer.
In US law, "public figures" are held to a much higher burden-of-proof standard for filing defamation charges (which is especially fun if the defamee is some random person who went viral one day!), and if an article even implies it's an opinion piece that's a few more layers of protection for the writer.
Also the reputation of the speaker comes into play. So if it is trash that people understand lies all the time, like the NYP or Trump, it makes it much harder to make a case.
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For people worried about Manafort or Flynn fleeing, they have almost certainly been told not to leave thr country, and their passports have probably been confiscated and blacklisted. And they are probably under surveillance.
Dana Boente, the dude who stepped up to the plate after Sally Yates was fired for refusing to enforce the Travel Ban, also the dude who became the US Attorney for Eastern Virginia, resigned about the same time the indictment story broke.
“Special counsel Robert Mueller is reportedly looking into whether or not the president obstructed justice when he fired the FBI director, James Comey,” Maddow noted. “James Comey has testified to Congress under oath that the president contacted him inappropriately, many times, to put pressure on him about the Russia investigation before he fired him. According to James Comey, one of the witnesses to one of those overtures by the president was Dana Boente.”
It's speculation, but Stupid Watergate just keeps on rolling.
In US law, "public figures" are held to a much higher burden-of-proof standard for filing defamation charges (which is especially fun if the defamee is some random person who went viral one day!), and if an article even implies it's an opinion piece that's a few more layers of protection for the writer.
To be fair, whether or not you qualify as a public figure has different standards based on whether or not you voluntarily thrust yourself into the public light, weighed against how much interest the public has in the issue.
And it differentiates between public officials and public figures. Public figures have some lesser degree of protection from libel, but it is only actual public officials who are more or less impossible to libel.
Boente's still in his job though, until a replacement is found. Which at the rate this administration moves, may be until 2019. Whether you take the angle that he was forced to resign by Trump, or forced to resign by Mueller, that's super weird. This supposedly took his associates by complete surprise too, so there's something weird going on.
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What Fucking Clinton administration!?
You won you chucklefucks
Sometimes I'm not convinced they wanted to. The money's in the chase or something
They were all geared up to spend a happy 4 years attempting to impeach Clinton, and they they went and won and had to think of some governing to do. How inconvenient.
My theory regarding Boente is that he's trying to scurry back under the rock he came out from under in an effort to not be involved in what's coming down the pipes; He probably hasn't done anything illegal or such but is terrified trump is either going to and drag him down or be ordered to do so by the POtUS.
As an aside, Muellers announcement that someone is getting voted off the island but not saying who is a masterclass in trolling.
What Fucking Clinton administration!?
You won you chucklefucks
"the dam is not breaking, the only thing that's breaking is the democrats" is just the most pathetic "No YOU are a poopy head!" childish thing.
These people are idiots.
This is Fox, they'll be first to report on how articles of impeachment have been filed against President Trump (D).
I'm also smiling at the thought that someone, formerly in the staff of a GOP senator, honestly believed in Santa Claus according to that Dworkin tweet.
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It's very interesting that there seems to almost be an implicit conspiracy theory amongst a lot of the harder right wing types at the moment that there's some kind of secret shadow government, frequently involving Clinton, which is actually running the country.
Because apparently accepting that Donald Trump is President and your vote is partly responsible for that is too much for the human mind to bear.
What Fucking Clinton administration!?
You won you chucklefucks
"the dam is not breaking, the only thing that's breaking is the democrats" is just the most pathetic "No YOU are a poopy head!" childish thing.
These people are idiots.
This is Fox, they'll be first to report on how articles of impeachment have been filed against President Trump (D).
I'm also smiling at the thought that someone, formerly in the staff of a GOP senator, honestly believed in Santa Claus according to that Dworkin tweet.
Wouldn’t be the first time.
I remember Jon Stewart segment from a few years ago where a couple of GOP Congress critters got caught in a scandal and Fox put a (D) next to their name.
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What Fucking Clinton administration!?
You won you chucklefucks
"the dam is not breaking, the only thing that's breaking is the democrats" is just the most pathetic "No YOU are a poopy head!" childish thing.
These people are idiots.
This is Fox, they'll be first to report on how articles of impeachment have been filed against President Trump (D).
I'm also smiling at the thought that someone, formerly in the staff of a GOP senator, honestly believed in Santa Claus according to that Dworkin tweet.
Wouldn’t be the first time.
I remember Jon Stewart segment from a few years ago where a couple of GOP Congress critters got caught in a scandal and Fox put a (D) next to their name.
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To be clear, I'm just asking questions mentioning it as something that's out there. It wouldn't surprise me either way that it was held back as a future distraction or simply as some sort of pro forma intelligence rule. And neither would it surprise me to see Trump force the release of withheld documents to cause a distraction or perhaps because it names a democrat so they can bothsides it up.
I personally can't wait to see them claim these charges as fake news. I know they'll really mean 'false', but the presentation that it is somehow not happening at all would make me chortle. A full on guffaw would be had if they frog march a Trump, any Trump, as they're shouting 'FAKE NEWS!'
Yup.
Basically Clinton didn't violate established protocol to stop a private company from selling to another private (Russian) company. Absolutely zero evidence she was even aware of the deal happening much less that she stepped in to exert any influence.
It's basically "While investigating treasonous acts, the trail led to Russia where the thrice removed investigator paid his local contacts for information. Thus the real treason was Hillary all along, nailed it you guys."
It isn't it up to Trump to decide which investigations into his own dealings are and are not bogus. That's dictatorial bullshit.
Naturally, it got some Presidential publicity:
Nothing surprising in its reporting here.
Edit: I can read.
Most posts on this forum are more relevant and valuable.
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The Washington Post is good (mostly), the Washington Times is a dishrag owned by a Korean cult leader
The whole promising to give money to a deceased soldier's father and then not doing it until pressure to by the press was last week wasn't it?
Didn't see this bit of news from last weekend pop up in the thread yet. Seems a pretty terrible decision alongside getting personally involved with interviewing DAs, being either further evidence of a cover-up and trying to buy off people involved with money and favours or a complete nightmare when you decide your not going to pay them anymore if they say things you don't like.
How is this not libel?
On matters related to Clintons there isn't that much difference, really.
In US law, "public figures" are held to a much higher burden-of-proof standard for filing defamation charges (which is especially fun if the defamee is some random person who went viral one day!), and if an article even implies it's an opinion piece that's a few more layers of protection for the writer.
Also the reputation of the speaker comes into play. So if it is trash that people understand lies all the time, like the NYP or Trump, it makes it much harder to make a case.
Now, there is currently no known explanation why, but Maddow had this theory last night.
It's speculation, but Stupid Watergate just keeps on rolling.
To be fair, whether or not you qualify as a public figure has different standards based on whether or not you voluntarily thrust yourself into the public light, weighed against how much interest the public has in the issue.
And it differentiates between public officials and public figures. Public figures have some lesser degree of protection from libel, but it is only actual public officials who are more or less impossible to libel.
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Scott Dworkin is an organizer and campaigner for the Democratic party. Also a recurring Joy Reid guest.
Kyle Griffin works as a producer for MSNBC.
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You won you chucklefucks
"the dam is not breaking, the only thing that's breaking is the democrats" is just the most pathetic "No YOU are a poopy head!" childish thing.
These people are idiots.
The GOP actually expects Trump to be gone now.
If they're trying to keep current members of congress from talking about impeachment then shit is about to get very interesting
Guess you could say last night was a
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October Surprise
Sometimes I'm not convinced they wanted to. The money's in the chase or something
Well, yes. It's a lot easier to just be obstructionists and blame the democrats for everything while raking in the bribes gifts.
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They were all geared up to spend a happy 4 years attempting to impeach Clinton, and they they went and won and had to think of some governing to do. How inconvenient.
As an aside, Muellers announcement that someone is getting voted off the island but not saying who is a masterclass in trolling.
This is Fox, they'll be first to report on how articles of impeachment have been filed against President Trump (D).
I'm also smiling at the thought that someone, formerly in the staff of a GOP senator, honestly believed in Santa Claus according to that Dworkin tweet.
I'm skeptical about the impact and immediacy of the filed charges but this
This reaction
It pleases me
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It's very interesting that there seems to almost be an implicit conspiracy theory amongst a lot of the harder right wing types at the moment that there's some kind of secret shadow government, frequently involving Clinton, which is actually running the country.
Because apparently accepting that Donald Trump is President and your vote is partly responsible for that is too much for the human mind to bear.
Wouldn’t be the first time.
I remember Jon Stewart segment from a few years ago where a couple of GOP Congress critters got caught in a scandal and Fox put a (D) next to their name.
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I really wish Trump was able to get to his phone.
They do it all the time. It's a common tactic.
Someone is definitely hiding it or following him around begging to not make this worse.
Also, the thread title should be "russia trump investigation - Don't Russia to judgement"
The grea part about being the opposition is that there is no obligation to do anything.