Somebody in Star Trek Shitposting described the Trek genre as Exploration Porn and tbh I still can't think of a better description for it. It does such a good job of summing up that good ole Trek mouthfeel.
I still maintain that if/when Patrick Stewart cameos on Orville he needs to be the captain of the Union flagship, but instead of being like Picard, make him a MASSIVE douchebag, just total opposite of Picard, Constantly brags about his ship being bigger than the Orville, and harasses/trolls Mercer all the time. Have him make some remark about how he's sleeping with his ship's doctor and they show her and either she looks like Beverly/Gates McFadden, or is actually her (maybe with some whiny little son in the background)
I still maintain that if/when Patrick Stewart cameos on Orville he needs to be the captain of the Union flagship, but instead of being like Picard, make him a MASSIVE douchebag, just total opposite of Picard, Constantly brags about his ship being bigger than the Orville, and harasses/trolls Mercer all the time. Have him make some remark about how he's sleeping with his ship's doctor and they show her and either she looks like Beverly/Gates McFadden, or is actually her (maybe with some whiny little son in the background)
I still maintain that if/when Patrick Stewart cameos on Orville he needs to be the captain of the Union flagship, but instead of being like Picard, make him a MASSIVE douchebag, just total opposite of Picard, Constantly brags about his ship being bigger than the Orville, and harasses/trolls Mercer all the time. Have him make some remark about how he's sleeping with his ship's doctor and they show her and either she looks like Beverly/Gates McFadden, or is actually her (maybe with some whiny little son in the background)
What do you think the chances of getting Wheaton to show up for that part would be?
I still maintain that if/when Patrick Stewart cameos on Orville he needs to be the captain of the Union flagship, but instead of being like Picard, make him a MASSIVE douchebag, just total opposite of Picard, Constantly brags about his ship being bigger than the Orville, and harasses/trolls Mercer all the time. Have him make some remark about how he's sleeping with his ship's doctor and they show her and either she looks like Beverly/Gates McFadden, or is actually her (maybe with some whiny little son in the background)
What do you think the chances of getting Wheaton to show up for that part would be?
Wheaton should play the captain of the flagship, and Stewart plays a meek ensign in a science uniform in the background
I still maintain that if/when Patrick Stewart cameos on Orville he needs to be the captain of the Union flagship, but instead of being like Picard, make him a MASSIVE douchebag, just total opposite of Picard, Constantly brags about his ship being bigger than the Orville, and harasses/trolls Mercer all the time. Have him make some remark about how he's sleeping with his ship's doctor and they show her and either she looks like Beverly/Gates McFadden, or is actually her (maybe with some whiny little son in the background)
What do you think the chances of getting Wheaton to show up for that part would be?
Wheaton should play the captain of the flagship, and Stewart plays a meek ensign in a science uniform in the background
CAPTAIN: *spittakes all over meek and hapless yeoman* "What is THIS? Tea? I ordered a soy latte, double strong double sweet." BUTLERYEOMAN: "yessir, sorry sir, won't happen again sir."
I still maintain that if/when Patrick Stewart cameos on Orville he needs to be the captain of the Union flagship, but instead of being like Picard, make him a MASSIVE douchebag, just total opposite of Picard, Constantly brags about his ship being bigger than the Orville, and harasses/trolls Mercer all the time. Have him make some remark about how he's sleeping with his ship's doctor and they show her and either she looks like Beverly/Gates McFadden, or is actually her (maybe with some whiny little son in the background)
What do you think the chances of getting Wheaton to show up for that part would be?
Wheaton should play the captain of the flagship, and Stewart plays a meek ensign in a science uniform in the background
CAPTAIN: *spittakes all over meek and hapless yeoman* "What is THIS? Tea? I ordered a soy latte, double strong double sweet." BUTLERYEOMAN: "yessir, sorry sir, won't happen again sir."
I still maintain that if/when Patrick Stewart cameos on Orville he needs to be the captain of the Union flagship, but instead of being like Picard, make him a MASSIVE douchebag, just total opposite of Picard, Constantly brags about his ship being bigger than the Orville, and harasses/trolls Mercer all the time. Have him make some remark about how he's sleeping with his ship's doctor and they show her and either she looks like Beverly/Gates McFadden, or is actually her (maybe with some whiny little son in the background)
What do you think the chances of getting Wheaton to show up for that part would be?
Wheaton should play the captain of the flagship, and Stewart plays a meek ensign in a science uniform in the background
CAPTAIN: *spittakes all over meek and hapless yeoman* "What is THIS? Tea? I ordered a soy latte, double strong double sweet." BUTLERYEOMAN: "yessir, sorry sir, won't happen again sir."
I still maintain that if/when Patrick Stewart cameos on Orville he needs to be the captain of the Union flagship, but instead of being like Picard, make him a MASSIVE douchebag, just total opposite of Picard, Constantly brags about his ship being bigger than the Orville, and harasses/trolls Mercer all the time. Have him make some remark about how he's sleeping with his ship's doctor and they show her and either she looks like Beverly/Gates McFadden, or is actually her (maybe with some whiny little son in the background)
What do you think the chances of getting Wheaton to show up for that part would be?
Wheaton should play the captain of the flagship, and Stewart plays a meek ensign in a science uniform in the background
CAPTAIN: *spittakes all over meek and hapless yeoman* "What is THIS? Tea? I ordered a soy latte, double strong double sweet." BUTLERYEOMAN: "yessir, sorry sir, won't happen again sir."
I still maintain that if/when Patrick Stewart cameos on Orville he needs to be the captain of the Union flagship, but instead of being like Picard, make him a MASSIVE douchebag, just total opposite of Picard, Constantly brags about his ship being bigger than the Orville, and harasses/trolls Mercer all the time. Have him make some remark about how he's sleeping with his ship's doctor and they show her and either she looks like Beverly/Gates McFadden, or is actually her (maybe with some whiny little son in the background)
What do you think the chances of getting Wheaton to show up for that part would be?
Wheaton should play the captain of the flagship, and Stewart plays a meek ensign in a science uniform in the background
That is even better! I doff my robot hat to you sir!
This. Have him be a psychotic iteration of The Traveler (or whatever that was) on The Orville.
Also Mercer's annoying counterpart that he continually butts heads with has to be Barclay.
I'd love this, but Dwight Shultz, while still very active in voicework, doesn't look like he does much in the way of on-set stuff. Besides a cut cameo in the reboot A-Team movie, it doesn't appear he's been in front of a camera in 20 years. Given how competent an actor he is, I have to assume that's his choice.
Reverse Tuvix-episode. Yaphet divides himself to two and each one has half of his personality traits. Hijinks ensue. In the end Captain Mercer forces them to remerge themselves into Yaphet again.
Reverse Tuvix-episode. Yaphet divides himself to two and each one has half of his personality traits. Hijinks ensue. In the end Captain Mercer forces them to remerge themselves into Yaphet again.
That's... that's just TOS "The Enemy Within." :psyduck:
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Reverse Tuvix-episode. Yaphet divides himself to two and each one has half of his personality traits. Hijinks ensue. In the end Captain Mercer forces them to remerge themselves into Yaphet again.
Modification: both Yaphets are exact duplicates of Yaphet and they both employ the simulator tech to look human, except one has a mustache and one doesn't. There's no evil duplicate, no wacky personality changes, just double Yaphet. Which proves to be too Yaphet.
Just have John de Lancie show up as an unnamed omnipotent being who acts exactly like Q and hint at the idea of Orville and Trek being set in the same multiverse.
Just have John de Lancie show up as an unnamed omnipotent being who acts exactly like Q and hint at the idea of Orville and Trek being set in the same multiverse.
Just have John de Lancie show up as an unnamed omnipotent being who acts exactly like Q and hint at the idea of Orville and Trek being set in the same multiverse.
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I want a mirror universe episode where their alternates are all much cooler and way more professional (Think Enterprise crew level of heroics). The entire time Prime Orville people keep thinking the others are evil despite countless evidence to the contrary and in the end some major thing happens where Mirror Orville crew sacrifice their lives to save Prime Orville simply because it is their duty.
End scene on Orville Bridge,
Mercer: Wow, I guess those guys weren't evil after all. I wonder if we would have done the same thing if our situations were reversed.
Gordon: Nope. Those guys were assholes.
Mercer: Yeah, you're right.
This season has to end with Bortus getting rid of Klyden. I don't even know how that relationship has gone on this long, Klyden seems completely opposed to everything Bortus believes in, albeit on the down low.
He already resented him for forcing the sex change on his son, but now one of his old loves is doomed to life imprisonment or execution again because of Klyden's hatred.
This whole gender/sex thing with Moclans is at least better than Star Trek handled similar themes, which they did in three ways:
1. (TNG) Riker tried to have sex with it.
2. (DS9) Quark got multiple serial sex changes for the sake of wacky hijinks.
3. (Novels) Andorians and Aenar used voluntary gender reassignment to save themselves from extinction and got kicked out of the Federation.
They might be blowing the whole wad up front, but I'll give them a pass because they very well might not get a season 3 and it's probably the biggest civil rights thing happening in the US right now.
Woah wait Voluntary? What the fuck federation? You let the people that reprogram anyone who wants gender do whatever but the people signing up for a procedcure to save their species are the problem?
I bet it was an admiral. Theyre jerks
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It was because of a genetic component. Andorians/Aenar have four natural sexes, requiring all four for reproduction. The procedure didn't just change the person's sex to a new one, but changed four sexes to two, allowing reproduction with half as many partners and possibly allowing previously impossible hybridization.
I mean, yeah, everyone who suggested less than sending every geneticist in the quadrant to help is a criminal, but to be fair the gap between 2 and 3 is occupied by Khan Noonien Singh, and the Prime Directive is frequently interpreted to say, "Let the whole world burn just in case, because some day one of them might be Hitler."
Which is another reason I like Orville's handling of many things better than Star Trek's - the Union doesn't so that shit, though they could benefit from the Federation's requirement that members cut out shit like what's happening on Moclus before their application even gets read.
Also a Gays are icky and should be cured vibe, only with the gay Moclans as the nutbag fundies.
Its laid out that women actually exist in their society, but are "cured" with current tech. This would not always have been the possible, yet Bortus did not know that Female Moclans existed. So it kind raises the question how many of their society are "cured" Females and how big the Hetero subculture is. What if it is 50% and they just don't tell their people?
Like there might actually have been a war of the sexes where gay men won and imposed their version of reality on the rest of society. Maybe the ability of two men to have kids is genetically engineer into Moclans.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
Yeah if the world was that harsh and females that rare Moclans probably evolved to have same sex coupling just to maintain numbers. Then as their society developed and men got more agressive women were phased out. I have a feeling the ones attracted to women go through a conversion camp and their views on suicide are designed to make it stick
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Klyden is also a bio female.
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Which is another reason I like Orville's handling of many things better than Star Trek's - the Union doesn't so that shit, though they could benefit from the Federation's requirement that members cut out shit like what's happening on Moclus before their application even gets read.
It sounds like the Union needs Moclus in the dirt against the Krill pretty bad.
Yeah if the world was that harsh and females that rare Moclans probably evolved to have same sex coupling just to maintain numbers. Then as their society developed and men got more agressive women were phased out. I have a feeling the ones attracted to women go through a conversion camp and their views on suicide are designed to make it stick
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Klyden is also a bio female.
The thing is, I don't think Females are that rare. Klyden is a bio female, as is Toppa. So the idea that Females are a mutation is suspect, as is the idea that female births are rare. Since Toppa should be a bio male if that was the case. Nor is same sex male pregnancy as effective as simple female parthogenesis(I.e. females getting pregnant without male help). In earth birds the default response to dangerous environments is for the female to lay more eggs, not for males to pitch in with egglaying.
Its probably more likely that the male Moclans we see are intersexed(hemaphrodite) individuals with functional female reproductive systems in addition to functional male systems, while presenting as male.
Which is both a genetic evolution, while being a socially defined system of male homosexuality.
This of course plays right into the last episode as straight males(or lesbian females) would not have any acceptable outlet in their own society.
And I have spent way to much time thinking about the implications of a made up species for a TNG parody show...
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
Which is another reason I like Orville's handling of many things better than Star Trek's - the Union doesn't so that shit, though they could benefit from the Federation's requirement that members cut out shit like what's happening on Moclus before their application even gets read.
It sounds like the Union needs Moclus in the dirt against the Krill pretty bad.
Mercer's comment about how long the alliance can hold gave me a distinct Khitomer Accords vibe - everyone involved knows it's a doomed arrangement, but it keeps the Romulans and Tholians at bay so everyone just smiles and tries not to look at the fratricide and heart eating.
Anyone else get the impression that this was supposed to also be a riff on the "Alara can't get a date~!" theme, instead of the current SC reacting to it?
What the hell is up with Moclans, man? Mandatory gender reassignment and life in prison if you like women?
Also, fuck Klyden.
Highly homogeneous honor based society seems to be the simplest answer. They seem to be uniform in more ways than sex, even if that's the most outwardly disgusting punishment to us. Their punishment for suicide is even harsher and targets those who are somehow different, including but certainly not limited to the sexual differences we've seen, denying them even the peace or final escape.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tattooed albinos to the normal skin color or amputated the thumbs of lefties.
Edit: their treatment of heterosexuals puts the lie to their argument on females. If there were only rare females and no male would have them then their shit argument at least has a grain of a point. But add that there are males who would be compatible with them, and it can no longer be painted as protection in any way shape or form, it's crushing an actual minority population.
Edit 2: My personal theory is that Moclans have some kind of universal mating and even natural ratios - 50/50 male/female and an even distribution of partner preference, everyone can mate with everyone so it doesn't really matter. But the idea that males are fundamentally superior created a system in which females were superfluous - in human societies with that idea they need women to make more men, Moclans do not.
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Or the Redenbacher, either works.
Make him closer to Zapp Brannigan.
What do you think the chances of getting Wheaton to show up for that part would be?
Wheaton should play the captain of the flagship, and Stewart plays a meek ensign in a science uniform in the background
CAPTAIN: *spittakes all over meek and hapless yeoman* "What is THIS? Tea? I ordered a soy latte, double strong double sweet."
BUTLERYEOMAN: "yessir, sorry sir, won't happen again sir."
Also, a reversal of this scene
so basically:
yessss
That is even better! I doff my robot hat to you sir!
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Also Mercer's annoying counterpart that he continually butts heads with has to be Barclay.
I'd love this, but Dwight Shultz, while still very active in voicework, doesn't look like he does much in the way of on-set stuff. Besides a cut cameo in the reboot A-Team movie, it doesn't appear he's been in front of a camera in 20 years. Given how competent an actor he is, I have to assume that's his choice.
Reverse Tuvix-episode. Yaphet divides himself to two and each one has half of his personality traits. Hijinks ensue. In the end Captain Mercer forces them to remerge themselves into Yaphet again.
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That's... that's just TOS "The Enemy Within." :psyduck:
Modification: both Yaphets are exact duplicates of Yaphet and they both employ the simulator tech to look human, except one has a mustache and one doesn't. There's no evil duplicate, no wacky personality changes, just double Yaphet. Which proves to be too Yaphet.
They already did that on My Little Pony.
I think they allow for pretty clear metaphors barring that one mishap
Not gonna lie though, Klyden is a real piece of shit.
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End scene on Orville Bridge,
Mercer: Wow, I guess those guys weren't evil after all. I wonder if we would have done the same thing if our situations were reversed.
Gordon: Nope. Those guys were assholes.
Mercer: Yeah, you're right.
Ezri, paraphrased: "Worf, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but most Klingons are assholes."
He already resented him for forcing the sex change on his son, but now one of his old loves is doomed to life imprisonment or execution again because of Klyden's hatred.
There needs to be some repercussions.
1. (TNG) Riker tried to have sex with it.
2. (DS9) Quark got multiple serial sex changes for the sake of wacky hijinks.
3. (Novels) Andorians and Aenar used voluntary gender reassignment to save themselves from extinction and got kicked out of the Federation.
They might be blowing the whole wad up front, but I'll give them a pass because they very well might not get a season 3 and it's probably the biggest civil rights thing happening in the US right now.
I bet it was an admiral. Theyre jerks
I mean, yeah, everyone who suggested less than sending every geneticist in the quadrant to help is a criminal, but to be fair the gap between 2 and 3 is occupied by Khan Noonien Singh, and the Prime Directive is frequently interpreted to say, "Let the whole world burn just in case, because some day one of them might be Hitler."
Which is another reason I like Orville's handling of many things better than Star Trek's - the Union doesn't so that shit, though they could benefit from the Federation's requirement that members cut out shit like what's happening on Moclus before their application even gets read.
Its laid out that women actually exist in their society, but are "cured" with current tech. This would not always have been the possible, yet Bortus did not know that Female Moclans existed. So it kind raises the question how many of their society are "cured" Females and how big the Hetero subculture is. What if it is 50% and they just don't tell their people?
Like there might actually have been a war of the sexes where gay men won and imposed their version of reality on the rest of society. Maybe the ability of two men to have kids is genetically engineer into Moclans.
Edit
Klyden is also a bio female.
It sounds like the Union needs Moclus in the dirt against the Krill pretty bad.
The thing is, I don't think Females are that rare. Klyden is a bio female, as is Toppa. So the idea that Females are a mutation is suspect, as is the idea that female births are rare. Since Toppa should be a bio male if that was the case. Nor is same sex male pregnancy as effective as simple female parthogenesis(I.e. females getting pregnant without male help). In earth birds the default response to dangerous environments is for the female to lay more eggs, not for males to pitch in with egglaying.
Its probably more likely that the male Moclans we see are intersexed(hemaphrodite) individuals with functional female reproductive systems in addition to functional male systems, while presenting as male.
Which is both a genetic evolution, while being a socially defined system of male homosexuality.
This of course plays right into the last episode as straight males(or lesbian females) would not have any acceptable outlet in their own society.
And I have spent way to much time thinking about the implications of a made up species for a TNG parody show...
Mercer's comment about how long the alliance can hold gave me a distinct Khitomer Accords vibe - everyone involved knows it's a doomed arrangement, but it keeps the Romulans and Tholians at bay so everyone just smiles and tries not to look at the fratricide and heart eating.
Anyone else get the impression that this was supposed to also be a riff on the "Alara can't get a date~!" theme, instead of the current SC reacting to it?
Also, fuck Klyden.
Highly homogeneous honor based society seems to be the simplest answer. They seem to be uniform in more ways than sex, even if that's the most outwardly disgusting punishment to us. Their punishment for suicide is even harsher and targets those who are somehow different, including but certainly not limited to the sexual differences we've seen, denying them even the peace or final escape.
It wouldn't surprise me if they tattooed albinos to the normal skin color or amputated the thumbs of lefties.
Edit: their treatment of heterosexuals puts the lie to their argument on females. If there were only rare females and no male would have them then their shit argument at least has a grain of a point. But add that there are males who would be compatible with them, and it can no longer be painted as protection in any way shape or form, it's crushing an actual minority population.
Edit 2: My personal theory is that Moclans have some kind of universal mating and even natural ratios - 50/50 male/female and an even distribution of partner preference, everyone can mate with everyone so it doesn't really matter. But the idea that males are fundamentally superior created a system in which females were superfluous - in human societies with that idea they need women to make more men, Moclans do not.