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[FATE/GRAND ORDER] Success Rate Up is still a lie

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    MLB'ing Wolves so you have one 100% copy for double damage then filling the rest of the slots with shop or gacha CE's is the best way to go about things.

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  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost Registered User regular
    Sounds good. Cheers.

  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    Wait, no, don't MLB Wolves. You want the full 5 copies for +250% damage for the Challenge Quest...

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  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost Registered User regular
    Challenge quests are for people who are good at this game!

  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Wait, no, don't MLB Wolves. You want the full 5 copies for +250% damage for the Challenge Quest...

    I remember seeing that there's diminishing returns on multiple copies

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Wait, no, don't MLB Wolves. You want the full 5 copies for +250% damage for the Challenge Quest...

    I remember seeing that there's diminishing returns on multiple copies

    In that going from +50 to +100 is less an increase than 0 to +50, as a percent of your damage? Yeah.

    The challenge quest is a good point... but we get that as soon as the current bar drops, right? I can go in with nonsense damage and then MLB for point farming?

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  • NeveronNeveron SwedenRegistered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Wait, no, don't MLB Wolves. You want the full 5 copies for +250% damage for the Challenge Quest...

    I remember seeing that there's diminishing returns on multiple copies

    The diminishing returns is that the first copy effectively boosts your damage by +50%, the next by +33%, +25%, +20%, +16%... It's additive in a game where the meta is multiplicative.

    While getting +250% damage sounds fantastic, it's slightly less so when you realize that if you swap out that last copy for your MLB Sumo you have +245% and also the 50% starting NP gauge and also probably more than +1.4% base ATK from an actually levelled CE. Or a +25% 5* card type CE, in which case it's +275% damage and also NP/stargen.

    It's a bit more complex than that, of course. The event bonuses stack linearly and the base CE has an effect too, so Nobu's got +386% (including +8% Buster from the CE) vs. +400% with the +25% CE. If you go for NP strats that opens up a +40% NP Strength Heaven's Feel, so +460% on the NP. (The numbers are a bit lower with Okita, who is the event servant you'd actually want to use here, but the point stands.)

    If you plan on using one specific offensive Servant rather than your whole team, this has some value. The rest of your team will be a bit weaker, but it's the same logic that you'd see in the raid events (just without the extra CE that gives +100% to the one carrying it).


    Personally I probably won't be using too many of them, though, since I plan on running Gorgon Sister Charmlock and I think NP gen is probably going to be more important for long-term survival. I'll still get +150% from backline CEs, though. Maybe I'll MLB one and run Bond CE Herc as well?

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 3
    Beat the challenge quest in one go. Okita/Waver/Merlin front line. +300% total damage on Okita. She destroyed him, I think I did like 800k to his third bar for instance in one turn with an NP brave chain.

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  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost Registered User regular
    Ok I didn't much care for Hijikata until I saw a friend version of him do his NP. Won't pull for him, but he's cool in my book.

  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    Challenge quest is fairly easy this time around

    Even with both of my taunt/evaders getting one turned, I was able to kill him off with Medb+support Merlin

    Long live Queen Medb, death to cheese

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  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    You want +250 available because even if there are diminishing returns on adding Special Attack modifiers, it's not like you really have -other- options for putting more damage on your real main damage dealer. It lets you just grab a support Herc with Bond CE and trololol. If you're fielding your own DPSer, then you sub that person's CE out for whatever you feel is most appropriate and you're fine.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Do we have to unlock the final farming node for points (the one for both sides) or is it not available yet?

    ...Not that it matters much the current nodes are amazing for event drops.

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  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    Have you done both the new Oda and Shinsengumi missions? I assumed you had to do all of them to unlock Westernization. But I've only done the Shinsengumi nodes so far, so I can't be sure

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    I've only finished the Oda side so far, working my way down the list basically. I'm assuming that's it but was wondering if someone knew how it worked in the JP version.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 3
    Spectrum wrote: »
    You want +250 available because even if there are diminishing returns on adding Special Attack modifiers, it's not like you really have -other- options for putting more damage on your real main damage dealer. It lets you just grab a support Herc with Bond CE and trololol. If you're fielding your own DPSer, then you sub that person's CE out for whatever you feel is most appropriate and you're fine.

    My level 100 Joint Recital on Jalter disagrees.

    Edit: Hoo boy, yeah 1.69M NP hit. Poor Mayo.

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  • AstharielAsthariel The Book Eater Registered User regular
    edited April 3
    Okay, I have roughly 550k for one side and 565k for another - playing optimally with my 4 / 5 Fortess of the Sun equipped, should I be able to max both factions with natural AP before the end of event? Of course, I have 35 golden and 9 silver apples left (with 2 golden and 4 silver still available to get for points), but I would like to know how much should I spend.

    Also, I managed to max out my first Servant skill to 10, which is Helena's Mana Tuning. That ate a lot of QP...

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  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    Asthariel wrote: »
    Also, I managed to max out my first Servant skill to 10, which is Helena's Mana Tuning. That ate a lot of QP...

    Good choice. Having that skill at 10 allows her to do a surprisingly good job of filling Waver's shoes, at least for offensive support.

    QP is an eternal struggle once you get into raising skill levels. 5* servants use up twice as much QP for skill upgrades than 4* ones. There's a reason why people value the Mona Lisa CE so highly, and forming a party that can quickly 3-turn the QP daily is crucial.

  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    I've only finished the Oda side so far, working my way down the list basically. I'm assuming that's it but was wondering if someone knew how it worked in the JP version.

    Just checked- the mixed points node is available as soon as you clear both sides' clean-up mission

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  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Spectrum wrote: »
    You want +250 available because even if there are diminishing returns on adding Special Attack modifiers, it's not like you really have -other- options for putting more damage on your real main damage dealer. It lets you just grab a support Herc with Bond CE and trololol. If you're fielding your own DPSer, then you sub that person's CE out for whatever you feel is most appropriate and you're fine.

    My level 100 Joint Recital on Jalter disagrees.

    Edit: Hoo boy, yeah 1.69M NP hit. Poor Mayo.
    Can you even read?

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  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost Registered User regular
    Hehe, Tawara is named "Eat Rice" in one of these epilogue quests.

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  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    CQ done.

    Break bars? Pfft.

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    Ain't no brakes on the Jalter train.

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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    Short trailer for Babylonia went up a week ago:



    The important part is October 2019.

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    heres how i see it being a total win situation for you
    1. stay with your wife while she dog sits. this wins husband points since she knows its out of your comfort zone
    2. have sex all over her friends house so that the next time you see her friend look at you condescendingly, you can wink back knowing you did the freaky deaky where she eats her cheerios.
  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    Which missions should I farm for each event item?

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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    Hatamoto/Roushi for coins, Taishou/Taishi for dust, Daimyou/Resshi for koban.

    mts wrote: »
    heres how i see it being a total win situation for you
    1. stay with your wife while she dog sits. this wins husband points since she knows its out of your comfort zone
    2. have sex all over her friends house so that the next time you see her friend look at you condescendingly, you can wink back knowing you did the freaky deaky where she eats her cheerios.
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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    edited April 6
    Skeith wrote: »
    Hatamoto/Roushi for coins, Taishou/Taishi for dust, Daimyou/Resshi for koban.

    Awesome, thank you. Time to get to farming.

    I forgot, should I combine any of the event CEs? I still need to farm the faction points too. I'm at 337k for blue and 317k for red.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 6
    Stragint wrote: »
    Skeith wrote: »
    Hatamoto/Roushi for coins, Taishou/Taishi for dust, Daimyou/Resshi for koban.

    Awesome, thank you. Time to get to farming.

    I forgot, should I combine any of the event CEs? I still need to farm the faction points too. I'm at 337k for blue and 317k for red.

    MLB Wolves of Mibu after clearing the challenge quest, keep the palace one separate for more points, imo.

    600k of each to get maximum Chacha, and then there's good stuff on the way to 1mil each (the 700k tickets in particular)

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  • AstharielAsthariel The Book Eater Registered User regular
    I've got 783k points for Okita Team and 719k for Nobu Team. Looks like I will be able to clear all point rewards with just natural AP and silver apples before the end of this event.

    I maxed level of Medusa and gave her Fous, when I have time to farm some exp I will propably grail her and get her to the 80 level, just because she is cool.

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  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    1m/1m and down to bronzes for XP, which I should be able to finish out on Natural AP

    Farmed moderately hard last weekend and farmed again this weekend

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    Doing the mission that gives points for both factions is rough. I don't have a strong offensive caster.

    I have Helena, Nitocris, and Eli Caster for offensive casters and I'm not sure which to level.

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  • NeveronNeveron SwedenRegistered User regular
    Personally I'm letting Okita and Nobu wear down MHX, but that's only possible because I have Okita.

    However, note that since most of the enemies are Berserkers then Berserkers are less vulnerable. Try bringing out Lu Bu.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Raving Rabbit Registered User regular
    Yeah, when I was running that one before I experimented with support options until just bringing a Berserker.

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    The only leveled berserkers I have are a 90/90 Tamamo Cat and 80/80 Hercules, both max fous, 70/80 Raikou max fou, and 60/70 Lancelot max fou.

    I tried running my Okita, Nobu, and Hercules but the second wave with the big boar pretty much remove Hercules from the fight.

    I have a 26/80 Wolves CE that I'm using and everyone else has a fortress equipped.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    You might have more luck just doing the final nodes of each side and alternating them. I think they're not much lower in points per run, you just have to balance them out.

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    You might have more luck just doing the final nodes of each side and alternating them. I think they're not much lower in points per run, you just have to balance them out.

    Yea, I think that is what I'm gonna do. I still need to farm stuff for the event store as well.

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  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Finally did the challenge quest. Not sure why I waited this long to do it.
    /laughs in NP4 Artemis

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  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    Calling it a "challenge" quest feels a little off this time around. But I suppose I'm alright with some event challenge quests not being all that brutal.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Calling it a "challenge" quest feels a little off this time around. But I suppose I'm alright with some event challenge quests not being all that brutal.

    Well, you probably have to build your team specifically to take him out. He's a puzzle and test of what you know (and have built up). But no, not particularly hard.

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  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular


    Well, here it comes

    Pray for me, the Sakuraface Hater, in this difficult time

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  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    Meanwhile I have a friend who has all of the Sakuras on his JP account at at least NP2, recently getting Kama to NP5.

    I'm not that much of a fan, but I will be rolling for Melt and Lip here. I think the only plans I have for this year are for this event and summer.

  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Looking forward to BB so I can see what her deal is firsthand without having to watch a YouTube let's play, even if it does have Gilgamesh. I've already reserved two Grails for her.

    The Alter Egos, meh. Maybe when they get their buff in two years but I'd rather get Okita Alter

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