Reading the thoughts of other people is perfectly acceptable, however, and somehow never used to check if someone is actually a shapeshifting alien trying to kill everyone.
Man alive I had no idea people are upset with how discovery shows old star ships with new graphics. Like seriously guys this is your concern? Sometimes fellow nerds make me sad.
Star Trek has always had continuity nerds - hell, I'd say the stereotypical nerd for Star Trek has always been one obsessed with the continuity and the designs of ships and uniforms and working out how it all might fit together. And the show had always seemed to embrace that with the encyclopaedias, tech manuals, fact-files, using TOS stuff in episodes etc. Discovery has pretty firmly said 'no, Star Trek isn't for you anymore" to that kind of fan. I don't think it's unreasonable to be upset; they've been some of the most loyal and dedicated fans. (and as someone who pretty much lived and breathed Trek growing up, it's been a difficult pill to swallow knowing that Trek going forward isn't going to be like that anymore).
Gotta admit, the very first thing I thought / said when I saw the first trailer for ST 2009, specifically the primary hull of the Enterprise?
"Font's wrong."
It's supposed to be 1960s Air Force, damnit.
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Reading the thoughts of other people is perfectly acceptable, however, and somehow never used to check if someone is actually a shapeshifting alien trying to kill everyone.
Also maybe the transporter would know, too?
It's not exactly foolproof. Some species resist telepathy! Changelings themselves I believe are impervious to telepathic interference
Yeah but unless they're impersonating a species that can't be sensed, it's going to set off a red alert when human Admiral Crumblejon can't be sensed at all, or when Chief O'Brien isn't haunted by the 500 horrible things that happened to him in the past year.
I love the fact that the very episode that introduces blood testing has the Changeling effortlessly get past it, and establish a pattern of them passing testing because they're the ones doing the tests.
Then Sisko's dad points out another easy way past it.
Then Sisko gets framed using it. Then he gets stuck in a cell with no privacy for however long, and no-one ever thinks 'we know you'll have to revert to liquid form in another 12 hours or so, so just stay under observation for 24 hours and you'll be cleared'.
I love the fact that the very episode that introduces blood testing has the Changeling effortlessly get past it, and establish a pattern of them passing testing because they're the ones doing the tests.
Then Sisko's dad points out another easy way past it.
Then Sisko gets framed using it. Then he gets stuck in a cell with no privacy for however long, and no-one ever thinks 'we know you'll have to revert to liquid form in another 12 hours or so, so just stay under observation for 24 hours and you'll be cleared'.
I always figured the Changlings had been faking blood checks for centuries during their war against solids. They were probably surprised it took the Fedration so long to think of them.
When I was driving once I saw this painted on a bridge:
"I don't want the world, I just want your half"
They probably sit swish around and laugh at "the stupid klingons" cutting themselves constantly to try and prove their solidness.
To be fair, "cutting yourself" is how Klingons prove everything. Solidness? Cut yourself. Loyalty? Cut yourself. Honesty? Cut yourself. Oat of revenge? Cut yourself. Credit score? Cut yourself. Be there at 6pm for a dinner party? Cut yourself.
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"Oat of Revenge", the Klingon breakfast cereal of choice.
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
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Reading the thoughts of other people is perfectly acceptable, however, and somehow never used to check if someone is actually a shapeshifting alien trying to kill everyone.
Also maybe the transporter would know, too?
Or, you know, they start by impersonating the telepaths.
Can't be that hard, it's probably why they invaded Betazed in the first place.
They probably sit swish around and laugh at "the stupid klingons" cutting themselves constantly to try and prove their solidness.
To be fair, "cutting yourself" is how Klingons prove everything. Solidness? Cut yourself. Loyalty? Cut yourself. Honesty? Cut yourself. Oat of revenge? Cut yourself. Credit score? Cut yourself. Be there at 6pm for a dinner party? Cut yourself.
Or the classic
"What must I do to convince you people?"
"Die."
You were working for her, Seska was working for them — was anyone on that damn ship working for me?
I feel like this was a missed opportunity to have a member of Chakotay's crew turn out to be a traitor once per season.
And in the final season, it turns out that Chakotay has been a Changeling the entire time.
You were working for her, Seska was working for them — was anyone on that damn ship working for me?
I feel like this was a missed opportunity to have a member of Chakotay's crew turn out to be a traitor once per season.
And in the final season, it turns out that Chakotay has been a Changeling the entire time.
Man alive I had no idea people are upset with how discovery shows old star ships with new graphics. Like seriously guys this is your concern? Sometimes fellow nerds make me sad.
Star Trek has always had continuity nerds - hell, I'd say the stereotypical nerd for Star Trek has always been one obsessed with the continuity and the designs of ships and uniforms and working out how it all might fit together. And the show had always seemed to embrace that with the encyclopaedias, tech manuals, fact-files, using TOS stuff in episodes etc. Discovery has pretty firmly said 'no, Star Trek isn't for you anymore" to that kind of fan. I don't think it's unreasonable to be upset; they've been some of the most loyal and dedicated fans. (and as someone who pretty much lived and breathed Trek growing up, it's been a difficult pill to swallow knowing that Trek going forward isn't going to be like that anymore).
Eh, TOS era props and effects were out of date by the late 70's. Those kinds of fans have literally had decades to get over it. And it's not like DIS is somehow spearheading this (needed, imo) modernization trend. In terms of sets and costumes, ENT was far more modern than TOS.
It's always been strange to me that some fans of a progressive sci-fi franchise are so vehemently against change.
I think it would’ve been awesome if DISCO decided to go for a retrofuture 60’s sci fi aesthetic. That’s one reason I’m intrigued by the possibility of a Tarantino Star Trek movie - because I 100% think that’s the direction he’d go.
But at the same time, like, I don’t think they’re obligated to go that route, and if you think Star Trek has paid strict attention to its continuity up until now you’re crazy. It’s a sprawling five decade old series that has gone through countless hands! Of course it contradicts itself endlessly! In any case it’s not holy writ. And, well, even if it was, religious texts contradict themselves endlessly too.
Outside of that second season episode where Lwaxana was going through Betazoid menopause, I think that a lot of the criticism of her is unwarranted. Like, yeah, she's a spoiled, somewhat wealthy woman who wants her daughter to get married and have children. And she sticks her nose where it doesn't belong because she thinks she knows best. Out of all of the TNG characters, she's probably the most realistic, despite her personality traits being turned up to 11.
Outside of that second season episode where Lwaxana was going through Betazoid menopause, I think that a lot of the criticism of her is unwarranted. Like, yeah, she's a spoiled, somewhat wealthy woman who wants her daughter to get married and have children. And she sticks her nose where it doesn't belong because she thinks she knows best. Out of all of the TNG characters, she's probably the most realistic, despite her personality traits being turned up to 11.
I love that she flusters the normally unflappable Picard and Dianna. I think it deepens both of their characters.
The fact that she's the first character aside from his mother to really get Alexander, and is kind and patient and understanding to him, and broadens his understanding of interpersonal relationships is really a symbol of how complex a guest character she is honestly
I do like it when later series revisit TOS's original Enterprise sets. It's fun but, more than that, it lets the audience feel the same nostalgia that the show’s characters feel for the past.
When Picard visits his first ship the Stargazer, by contrast, the vessel is presumably nostalgic for him but doesn’t evoke much for the audience because it’s just a standard TNG set.
I guess it's a good thing changelings are immune to telepathy. Because otherwise yeah, you'd just bring Lwaxana everywhere and sniff them out.
That was literally the ending to a TNG episode. She walked into the room and said "Those guys are terrorists and want to blow up the place.". And their response was "Whaaaat? Noooo, we're not... aw fuck.".
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Reading the thoughts of other people is perfectly acceptable, however, and somehow never used to check if someone is actually a shapeshifting alien trying to kill everyone.
Also maybe the transporter would know, too?
Wouldn't stop Changelings. They can't be sensed by telepaths and they can take the form of inanimate objects. Using telepaths might stop Changlings from impersonating people but they can just take the place of a comm badge or a piece of clothing.
I genuinely really love the kid actor they got for Picard. He's flawless in tone and look, and he's actually a pretty solid child actor? Really makes this episode shine.
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And then it turns out it doesn't really work anyways and they can get past it, or even set up false positives to screw with people.
And then after all that they never really bother with the whole thing again.
Also maybe the transporter would know, too?
Star Trek has always had continuity nerds - hell, I'd say the stereotypical nerd for Star Trek has always been one obsessed with the continuity and the designs of ships and uniforms and working out how it all might fit together. And the show had always seemed to embrace that with the encyclopaedias, tech manuals, fact-files, using TOS stuff in episodes etc. Discovery has pretty firmly said 'no, Star Trek isn't for you anymore" to that kind of fan. I don't think it's unreasonable to be upset; they've been some of the most loyal and dedicated fans. (and as someone who pretty much lived and breathed Trek growing up, it's been a difficult pill to swallow knowing that Trek going forward isn't going to be like that anymore).
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"Font's wrong."
It's supposed to be 1960s Air Force, damnit.
It's not exactly foolproof. Some species resist telepathy! Changelings themselves I believe are impervious to telepathic interference
Wait, hang on.
Then Sisko's dad points out another easy way past it.
Then Sisko gets framed using it.
Then he gets stuck in a cell with no privacy for however long, and no-one ever thinks 'we know you'll have to revert to liquid form in another 12 hours or so, so just stay under observation for 24 hours and you'll be cleared'.
I always figured the Changlings had been faking blood checks for centuries during their war against solids. They were probably surprised it took the Fedration so long to think of them.
"I don't want the world, I just want your half"
To be fair, "cutting yourself" is how Klingons prove everything. Solidness? Cut yourself. Loyalty? Cut yourself. Honesty? Cut yourself. Oat of revenge? Cut yourself. Credit score? Cut yourself. Be there at 6pm for a dinner party? Cut yourself.
Made by traditional steel-cut Klingons.
Have you heard the ancient Klingon proverb that oats of revenge are a dish best served cold?
"I don't want the world, I just want your half"
Or, you know, they start by impersonating the telepaths.
Can't be that hard, it's probably why they invaded Betazed in the first place.
Or the classic
"What must I do to convince you people?"
"Die."
I feel like this was a missed opportunity to have a member of Chakotay's crew turn out to be a traitor once per season.
And in the final season, it turns out that Chakotay has been a Changeling the entire time.
Actual lol here, thank you for making my morning
Well what did you think biomimetic gel was?
Eh, TOS era props and effects were out of date by the late 70's. Those kinds of fans have literally had decades to get over it. And it's not like DIS is somehow spearheading this (needed, imo) modernization trend. In terms of sets and costumes, ENT was far more modern than TOS.
It's always been strange to me that some fans of a progressive sci-fi franchise are so vehemently against change.
But at the same time, like, I don’t think they’re obligated to go that route, and if you think Star Trek has paid strict attention to its continuity up until now you’re crazy. It’s a sprawling five decade old series that has gone through countless hands! Of course it contradicts itself endlessly! In any case it’s not holy writ. And, well, even if it was, religious texts contradict themselves endlessly too.
This isn't particularly useful!
If you would like to discuss something else Star Trek, go for it
Like how I absolutely love the dart board continuity in this season of DS9
Or maybe how the Nog Starfleet storyline is v cute and good
it's the best
seriously as much as some Lwaxana episodes are incredibly tedious, some of them are really really good (esp the DS9 ones)
it's a really silly but really good episode
When Picard visits his first ship the Stargazer, by contrast, the vessel is presumably nostalgic for him but doesn’t evoke much for the audience because it’s just a standard TNG set.
That was literally the ending to a TNG episode. She walked into the room and said "Those guys are terrorists and want to blow up the place.". And their response was "Whaaaat? Noooo, we're not... aw fuck.".
Wouldn't stop Changelings. They can't be sensed by telepaths and they can take the form of inanimate objects. Using telepaths might stop Changlings from impersonating people but they can just take the place of a comm badge or a piece of clothing.
how fucking awkward is it for Miles
seriously does Star Trek just want to make things either awkward or terribly depressing for Miles at every possible opportunity
and let's not forget the horrible shit that just constantly happens to the O'Brians as a whole as well
Yes.
In DS9, there was a rule that at least once a season, O'Brien Must Suffer.