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I don't recall the details for Inner Light, but when he started the simulation, didn't he protest that it's not real and the sims interact with what he said?
I don't recall the details for Inner Light, but when he started the simulation, didn't he protest that it's not real and the sims interact with what he said?
How railroaded was the experience then really?
If memory serves that was the case
The issue though is that even if you're aware, you've basically been trapped against your will in a simulation that, from your perspective, will take several decades to play out.
In the physical world, maybe at most a few minutes passes, but you are going to have to basically go "goddamn it" and live out another life for 50+ years.
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They do put Bashir in old age makeup a lot, but I do gotta say Siddig is fucking great at old man mannerisms.
I'm sorta so-so on the Visitor, it had some good moments but I have no interest in ever watching it again.
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I like Inner Light so I always told myself that the memories playing out in "real time" was an unintended consequence due to differences in physiology because they couldn't possibly be awful enough to do that to some stranger deliberately regardless of how pleasant the memories were.
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
I've been powering through ds9 again recently and just got to 'ties of blood and water'. I always love Weyoun but this is where he kind of shows up again as a regular and the performance in this episode reminded me just how awesome Jeffery Combs is as Weyoun. His expressions at the table with Sisko and Dukat over the poisined bottle of kanar are just perfect.
But don't worry I'll keep posting about DS9 as I go along because it's fun.
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I'm just joking because you didn't like The Visitor and so many people love that episode. There's also an episode in season 6 that is up there with a lot of peoples best episode of star trek ever lists. But I can't imagine anyone not liking a Garak episode.
Question: Inner Light, but the Probe requests user consent before it drops you in the simulation
Does Picard jump at the chance, given the fact that
A) At heart he is an Archeologist and this is a once in a lifetime chance to literally live through the life of one of these people. He is made aware that virtually no time will pass between beginning and ending the simulation?
At that point he's basically playing Roy. He'd slap those flurbos down on the cabinet cuz he's got next. The question is does he take it seriously or does he take Roy off the grid?
Question: Inner Light, but the Probe requests user consent before it drops you in the simulation
Does Picard jump at the chance, given the fact that
A) At heart he is an Archeologist and this is a once in a lifetime chance to literally live through the life of one of these people. He is made aware that virtually no time will pass between beginning and ending the simulation?
Does it come with reviews from previous users
simulation was amazing and literally changed my life for the better by allowing me to experience the joys and struggles of a lifetime, offering me new perspectives i may not have otherwise considered
but it made me late for my dentist appointment and they charged me $50 for a no show
I've heard a lot of people hate Take me Out to the Holosuite, but I adore that episode.
I think some of the dislike is down to being one of their 'funny' episodes, when there's some serious shit going on that they should maybe pay attention to.
Same with the casino heist episode later. There is a war on, you know.
We see them and unlike the holodecks on the Enterprise and Voyager, they are tiny!
So tiny that the only way that they can accommodate more then one person, they would have to be standing right next to each other. Which means that the Baseball episode is really close to 20 people bunched up, each suspended in their own personal forcefield bubble that distorts their vision relative to each other and giving off the impression that they are in a huge open field. They are not actually moving anywhere, they are just running on a forcefield that gives the impression of movement while inertial dampeners prevent them from crashing into each other. They have to do this because people never wear anything resembling VR systems.
When you think about it, holodecks are a deeply weird technology and honestly less practical then a Matrix/Inception/VR couch system.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
When you think about it, holodecks don't really make sense in terms of space and how they treat created objects and aren't consistent and best not looked at too closely.
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it is interesting when sci fi tries to predict tech that fairly soon after advances far more rapidly and unexpectedly than could have been imagined at the time
it seems entirely possible now that some sort of wireless memory implantation like matrix bluetooth would be a more likely way to have a holodeck VR kind of experience than a room with personal force field bubbles
Maybe the holodeck is a better device for storytelling, though. With a VR headset the end of the scene is always the people taking off their VR headsets having not actually done any of the things we saw them do. Their tiredness wasn't real, neither was the kiss or the bullet from Cyrus Block's gun. Maybe I wouldn't be able to invest in Holodeck scenes quite as much if they had to remind me every time that if they died in the game they'd die in real life.
Holodecks operate on a "it scrolls with you" princple. Altough this makes no sense seeing as we often see two or more characters miles apart in the same simulation while all being in the same 20 meter squared room.
When you think about it, holodecks don't really make sense in terms of space and how they treat created objects and aren't consistent and best not looked at too closely.
They make sense to me when there's only one person in it. They use fancy depth perception 3D tricks on the walls. And then for travel do one of two things:
-Construct the layout so you're always walking and turning around so you never actually hit the wall.
-Just cheat and make the floor a treadmill.
But yeah, shit gets wonky real fast when you start adding people. You could probably still do some nifty wall/treadmill/perspective hacks with 2 or 3 people. And maybe Quark has an extra large holosuite. But big enough for at least 18 people and enough room to pull off all those cheats?
...Now I'm kind of interested in wondering what it would look like if you paused a holodeck at any one time and were then able to get a top down view of the entire space to see exactly what the heck is going on.
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I'm not sure what to make of
But with series centred on Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart) and Philippa Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh) coming, in addition to animated spin-off Lower Decks and Short Trek mini-episodes, Kurtzman said on Variety's TV Take podcast that the franchise has learnt from its previous mistakes. this interview.
"What we're planning on is, I want to make sure that each show is a different and unique proposition," he said.
"I think that Deep Space Nine and Voyager got into a tricky spot where people were starting to feel like, 'I can't tell the difference between the shows', even though they were very different.
"Our job is to make sure that every time you get a new Star Trek show, it feels like a very different prospect from any other Trek show that exists.
I don't know what sort of people would go around thinking that DS9 and Voyager were very similar shows, but I wouldn't want to alter what I'm doing based on their opinion. Hopefully this is just general PR blather on his part. Either that or Yeoh's show is getting the grimdark.
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Holodecks operate on a "it scrolls with you" princple. Altough this makes no sense seeing as we often see two or more characters miles apart in the same simulation while all being in the same 20 meter squared room.
My theory? They hire a Q to do it.
They only appear miles apart. The Holodeck doesn't need to simulate miles of unused areas. It just generates the two areas that the two people are in and fake horizons to block their view so they can't see the other one almost arms-length away.
Holodecks operate on a "it scrolls with you" princple. Altough this makes no sense seeing as we often see two or more characters miles apart in the same simulation while all being in the same 20 meter squared room.
My theory? They hire a Q to do it.
simple, beyond a certain distance separate the two with a wall and stereo project the image of the other player.
I've heard a lot of people hate Take me Out to the Holosuite, but I adore that episode.
I think some of the dislike is down to being one of their 'funny' episodes, when there's some serious shit going on that they should maybe pay attention to.
Same with the casino heist episode later. There is a war on, you know.
There's also the fact that the former revolves around sports, which a fair amount of Trek fans seem to have a visceral negative reaction towards.
Regarding "there's a war going on" complaints, it's not like there's a tradition of NSO shows specifically put on to boost morale and temporarily ease tension or anything....
I reached Season 6 of Voyager. I am pleased to finally see Chakotay be correct and technically win an argument with Janeway. That it took until season 6 is insane.
I feel slightly nauseous in the sense that Neelix still isn't bothering me and I think he's fine, making me wonder if I did get caught up in the popular hate on Neelix bit (Wesley Crusher was still trash, though).
The Doctor is still fantastic and cynical, smart-ass Tuvok is awesome.
The show itself is still bad, though. Bad writers.
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I reached Season 6 of Voyager. I am pleased to finally see Chakotay be correct and technically win an argument with Janeway. That it took until season 6 is insane.
I feel slightly nauseous in the sense that Neelix still isn't bothering me and I think he's fine, making me wonder if I did get caught up in the popular hate on Neelix bit (Wesley Crusher was still trash, though).
The Doctor is still fantastic and cynical, smart-ass Tuvok is awesome.
The show itself is still bad, though. Bad writers.
Neelix is fine
for the most part the characters on voyager are fine (well... janeway kinda sucks... lol), it's an issue of the writers writing both terrible stories AND terrible choices for the characters to make over and over and over
Virtual Reality works better than a holodeck. I find it more likely a device could hijack a brain and hook it up to a virtual body.
The trick to it is that you have to convince the brain that everything is fine.
The captain of The Equinox had one of those but the show made a point to look down on it. In fact, up until Discovery Star Trek really frowned upon that sort of technology. Tech that hijacks the mind or body never is shown in a good light. TNG spent several episodes negatively opining on Picard's artificial heart before deciding it was ok. Likewise Nog's artificial leg is never really viewed as part of him. There's even that episode where Bashir goes full Frankenstein and starts replacing parts of a dude's brain before giving up and letting him die. From the Binars to the Borg Star Trek has always hammered home the idea of human purity. You don't need augments, implants or mind altering radiation to have a good time. Part of the draw of the Holodeck is doing everything yourself. You aren't just sitting in a chair passively enjoying an activity. You are taking part in it. This is the same universe where everyone basically stopped drinking alcohol in favor of synohol.
But with series centred on Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart) and Philippa Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh) coming, in addition to animated spin-off Lower Decks and Short Trek mini-episodes, Kurtzman said on Variety's TV Take podcast that the franchise has learnt from its previous mistakes. this interview.
"What we're planning on is, I want to make sure that each show is a different and unique proposition," he said.
"I think that Deep Space Nine and Voyager got into a tricky spot where people were starting to feel like, 'I can't tell the difference between the shows', even though they were very different.
"Our job is to make sure that every time you get a new Star Trek show, it feels like a very different prospect from any other Trek show that exists.
I don't know what sort of people would go around thinking that DS9 and Voyager were very similar shows, but I wouldn't want to alter what I'm doing based on their opinion. Hopefully this is just general PR blather on his part. Either that or Yeoh's show is getting the grimdark.
Kurtzman is a hack. They need to fire him and bring back Ron Moore or Ira Behr.
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How railroaded was the experience then really?
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If memory serves that was the case
The issue though is that even if you're aware, you've basically been trapped against your will in a simulation that, from your perspective, will take several decades to play out.
In the physical world, maybe at most a few minutes passes, but you are going to have to basically go "goddamn it" and live out another life for 50+ years.
I'm sorta so-so on the Visitor, it had some good moments but I have no interest in ever watching it again.
I'm just joking because you didn't like The Visitor and so many people love that episode. There's also an episode in season 6 that is up there with a lot of peoples best episode of star trek ever lists. But I can't imagine anyone not liking a Garak episode.
Even if you don't like it, you have to say you did, because Garak.
pretty sure that's the technology behind Roy and Roy 2.
At that point he's basically playing Roy. He'd slap those flurbos down on the cabinet cuz he's got next. The question is does he take it seriously or does he take Roy off the grid?
Edit: DanHibiki knows what I'm talking about!
It was sorely lacking in Garak stealing signs from the bleachers, though.
You know he role plays the hell outta Roy
simulation was amazing and literally changed my life for the better by allowing me to experience the joys and struggles of a lifetime, offering me new perspectives i may not have otherwise considered
but it made me late for my dentist appointment and they charged me $50 for a no show
2/5 stars
Same with the casino heist episode later. There is a war on, you know.
We see them and unlike the holodecks on the Enterprise and Voyager, they are tiny!
So tiny that the only way that they can accommodate more then one person, they would have to be standing right next to each other. Which means that the Baseball episode is really close to 20 people bunched up, each suspended in their own personal forcefield bubble that distorts their vision relative to each other and giving off the impression that they are in a huge open field. They are not actually moving anywhere, they are just running on a forcefield that gives the impression of movement while inertial dampeners prevent them from crashing into each other. They have to do this because people never wear anything resembling VR systems.
When you think about it, holodecks are a deeply weird technology and honestly less practical then a Matrix/Inception/VR couch system.
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it seems entirely possible now that some sort of wireless memory implantation like matrix bluetooth would be a more likely way to have a holodeck VR kind of experience than a room with personal force field bubbles
Choose Your Own Chat 1 Choose Your Own Chat 2 Choose Your Own Chat 3
My theory? They hire a Q to do it.
They make sense to me when there's only one person in it. They use fancy depth perception 3D tricks on the walls. And then for travel do one of two things:
-Construct the layout so you're always walking and turning around so you never actually hit the wall.
-Just cheat and make the floor a treadmill.
But yeah, shit gets wonky real fast when you start adding people. You could probably still do some nifty wall/treadmill/perspective hacks with 2 or 3 people. And maybe Quark has an extra large holosuite. But big enough for at least 18 people and enough room to pull off all those cheats?
...Now I'm kind of interested in wondering what it would look like if you paused a holodeck at any one time and were then able to get a top down view of the entire space to see exactly what the heck is going on.
Oh man, Garak breaking the Vulcan team's signaling code and giving Sisko information would have been perfect.
They only appear miles apart. The Holodeck doesn't need to simulate miles of unused areas. It just generates the two areas that the two people are in and fake horizons to block their view so they can't see the other one almost arms-length away.
simple, beyond a certain distance separate the two with a wall and stereo project the image of the other player.
There's also the fact that the former revolves around sports, which a fair amount of Trek fans seem to have a visceral negative reaction towards.
Regarding "there's a war going on" complaints, it's not like there's a tradition of NSO shows specifically put on to boost morale and temporarily ease tension or anything....
I feel slightly nauseous in the sense that Neelix still isn't bothering me and I think he's fine, making me wonder if I did get caught up in the popular hate on Neelix bit (Wesley Crusher was still trash, though).
The Doctor is still fantastic and cynical, smart-ass Tuvok is awesome.
The show itself is still bad, though. Bad writers.
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for the most part the characters on voyager are fine (well... janeway kinda sucks... lol), it's an issue of the writers writing both terrible stories AND terrible choices for the characters to make over and over and over
Hmmn would Sisko turn him down because he doesn't want to sully the purity of the sport?
Or does he really want to stick it to that Vulcan?
sisko would take those signals in a heartbeat it's not like he's putting tar on the bats
Worf and Kira are foregone conclusions.
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The trick to it is that you have to convince the brain that everything is fine.
The captain of The Equinox had one of those but the show made a point to look down on it. In fact, up until Discovery Star Trek really frowned upon that sort of technology. Tech that hijacks the mind or body never is shown in a good light. TNG spent several episodes negatively opining on Picard's artificial heart before deciding it was ok. Likewise Nog's artificial leg is never really viewed as part of him. There's even that episode where Bashir goes full Frankenstein and starts replacing parts of a dude's brain before giving up and letting him die. From the Binars to the Borg Star Trek has always hammered home the idea of human purity. You don't need augments, implants or mind altering radiation to have a good time. Part of the draw of the Holodeck is doing everything yourself. You aren't just sitting in a chair passively enjoying an activity. You are taking part in it. This is the same universe where everyone basically stopped drinking alcohol in favor of synohol.
Kurtzman is a hack. They need to fire him and bring back Ron Moore or Ira Behr.