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AG Jeff Sessions has resigned at President Trumps request, announced via twitter.

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    CogCog What'd you expect? Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Fairchild wrote: »
    And here we go: "Deputy AG Rosenstein is en route to the White House for a meeting this afternoon."

    Yes, a "meeting". Today President Trump is settling all outstanding family business.

    Trump doesn't fire people in person

    He could be meeting with Kelly.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    But democrats can reappoint Mueller in January, so this seems a bit like an attempt to delay or complicate for a bit.

    Problem is it gives the Acting AG time to make Mueller's work disappear, forcing them to start from scratch.

    Also any investigation through the House would be entirely academic; they wouldn't have enforcement power.

    Disappearing it risks contempt of congress charges when the house subpoenas for it, doesn't it?

    contempt of congress is a joke

    Nowadays, at least.

    Congress has successfully thrown people in jail until they're willing to cooperate with it before, and there's no tangible reason they couldn't again if they decided it was time for it to no longer be a joke.

    That might wind up backfiring as Trump could easily paint that as the Dems jailing political opponents.

    They're going to say whatever they like, and already have many times, but the threat can't be an impediment to actually doing the right thing.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Fairchild wrote: »
    And here we go: "Deputy AG Rosenstein is en route to the White House for a meeting this afternoon."

    Yes, a "meeting". Today President Trump is settling all outstanding family business.

    With Kelly, probably.

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I think this might be a slow realization for the protest organizers but this is as definite a break glass situation as we’re getting.

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    too bad mueller can't fund the investigation with all that manafort money

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Fairchild wrote: »
    And here we go: "Deputy AG Rosenstein is en route to the White House for a meeting this afternoon."

    Yes, a "meeting". Today President Trump is settling all outstanding family business.

    Trump doesn't fire people in person

    Kelly, however.

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    NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Fairchild wrote: »
    And here we go: "Deputy AG Rosenstein is en route to the White House for a meeting this afternoon."

    Yes, a "meeting". Today President Trump is settling all outstanding family business.

    Trump doesn't fire people in person

    Maybe he’s gonna film it

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    So Whittaker has a history of op-eds that demonstrate clear hostility toward a proper investigation to be undertaken. Is it possible for a recusal to be forced upon this person?

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    would not be surprised if he fires rosenstein anyway

    subtle he is not

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »

    oh my god just let him be Kansas' governor instead.
    Viskod wrote: »

    oh my god just let him be Kansas' governor instead.

    I wonder if a federal judge would be willing to send a potential AG Kobach to remedial law classes. I mean, it wouldn't be a new experience for him at this point.

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    MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Xaviar wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    I don't suppose there is any fine print resource for if you are a special investigator, and you have obvious iron clad evidence of crime but your supervisor refuses to allow indictments or subpoenas for obvious political motivations. I wonder what its like as Mueller to look at Whitaker and see someone committing blatant obstruction of justice but not having any recourse for it?
    Xaviar wrote: »
    Also from what I understand, one of the protections built into the special prosecutor is that whenever the AG denies the SP something it triggers a report to congress about what the SP requested and why the AG denied it.

    Am I incorrect in this understanding?

    Nope, that's right. The AG has to notify congress if they believe a request or action by the SP is inappropriate.

    Who in congress do they have to notify? Just the committee heads? Can they keep those notifications away from Dems? (until Jan)

    Senate and House Judiciary Committees, both chair and ranking minority, so no, they couldn't keep it from Dems.

    That makes me feel a lot better.

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    No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    I wonder if they were worried about indictments and they did this so when the indictments come out they can say its revenge for the firing. Which is stupid, but that's all I got

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    So Whittaker has a history of op-eds that demonstrate clear hostility toward a proper investigation to be undertaken. Is it possible for a recusal to be forced upon this person?

    The only person with any direct power over this person is Trump, as far as I understand it.

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    I just got out of teaching all my courses for the day, so I don't really have the ability for cogent thought, and my feelings on this matter can be summed up mostly as incoherent screaming

    ArghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHH

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    would not be surprised if he fires rosenstein anyway

    subtle he is not

    It would be absolutely bizarre after threading the needle on Mueller firing protest conditions to then turn around and deliberately trigger it.

    So yeah sure why not.

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Sen. Blumenthal already has legislation ready for this

    Washington Producer for Canadian news


    Will McConnell allow it to come up?
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    Drake ChambersDrake Chambers Lay out my formal shorts. Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    So Whittaker has a history of op-eds that demonstrate clear hostility toward a proper investigation to be undertaken. Is it possible for a recusal to be forced upon this person?

    The only person with any direct power over this person is Trump, as far as I understand it.

    Yeah, there's no forced recusal. Trump can fire the AG or not.

    Now, if after this, Whittaker recuses himself? I may laugh myself unconscious.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Ok I know this is red alert

    But seriously, Kris Kobach falling upwards from losing the Kansas governorship to a democrat toward becoming AG of the US is really fucking something

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    DirtmuncherDirtmuncher Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Sen. Blumenthal already has legislation ready for this

    Washington Producer for Canadian news


    Will McConnell allow it to come up?
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Who needs to pull the trigger on breaking the glass?

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Ok I know this is red alert

    But seriously, Kris Kobach falling upwards from losing the Kansas governorship to a democrat toward becoming AG of the US is really fucking something

    Wouldn't he literally be following in Sessions footsteps?

    Whippy wrote: »
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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Sen. Blumenthal already has legislation ready for this

    Washington Producer for Canadian news


    Will McConnell allow it to come up?
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Legislation is nice, it would be nice to see him say “I will introduce legislation, and once they deny a vote on it I’m just going to leak the report anyway”.

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    DisrupterDisrupter Registered User regular
    Rosenstein should resign in protest if he has any spine or dignity

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Ok I know this is red alert

    But seriously, Kris Kobach falling upwards from losing the Kansas governorship to a democrat toward becoming AG of the US is really fucking something

    He lost his own case in court so hard that the judge literally ruled he had to return to law school for specific classes. What he would try as AG just... I cannot imagine.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Rosenstein should resign in protest if he has any spine or dignity

    Could be why he's going to the White House

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Rosenstein should resign in protest if he has any spine or dignity

    No. No more resigning in protest, it just lets them appoint more flunkies. You get in the way, and make them fire you.

    Or hell "accidentally" cc Pelosi and Schiff all Mueller's documents.

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    Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »

    oh my god just let him be Kansas' governor instead.

    NO! er, I mean, We just kicked his ass to the curb. Let him cool it there for a bit before he tries doing anything else.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Rosenstein should resign in protest if he has any spine or dignity

    if the goal is to leave in protest, you definitely make them fire you. Resigning is largely a symbolic gesture in favor of the POTUS to allow them to save face and be a good guy.

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    This is some high drama right now that I just don't have the emotional bandwidth to take in right now after yesterday

    I'm going to go read bad fanfiction and listen to soothing lo-fi chill-hop

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    KonphujunKonphujun Illinois, USARegistered User regular
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Rosenstein should resign in protest if he has any spine or dignity

    How does this help?

    Everything: Konphujun(#1458)
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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Rosenstein should resign in protest if he has any spine or dignity

    if the goal is to leave in protest, you definitely make them fire you. Resigning is largely a symbolic gesture in favor of the POTUS to allow them to save face and be a good guy.

    The point is that Rosenstein isn't getting fired: Trump has no reason to now that he took the investigation away from him. If this is the case, Rosenstein should resign in protest, it would be a signal for us to start the protests.

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    This is some high drama right now that I just don't have the emotional bandwidth to take in right now after yesterday

    I'm going to go read bad fanfiction and listen to soothing lo-fi chill-hop

    I've never felt a post more earnestly in my soul than this one

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    This was only four years ago:

    https://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2014/05/iowa-u-s-senate-candidate-profile-qa-matt-whitaker/
    Iowa U.S. Senate Candidate Profile: Q&A with Matt Whitaker
    19. What’s the role of the courts and what is or what are some of the worst decisions in the Supreme Court’s history?

    Whitaker: “The courts are supposed to be the inferior branch of our three branches of government. We have unfortunately off loaded many of our tough public policy issues onto the court and they’ve decided hem. Unelected judges are deciding many of the issues of the day. There are so many (bad rulings). I would start with the idea of Marbury v. Madison. That’s probably a good place to start and the way it’s looked at the Supreme Court as the final arbiter of constitutional issues. We’ll move forward from there. All New Deal cases that were expansive of the federal government. Those would be bad. Then all the way up to the Affordable Care Act and the individual mandate.”
    He didn't even mention Dred Scott or Plessy.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    But democrats can reappoint Mueller in January, so this seems a bit like an attempt to delay or complicate for a bit.

    Problem is it gives the Acting AG time to make Mueller's work disappear, forcing them to start from scratch.

    Also any investigation through the House would be entirely academic; they wouldn't have enforcement power.

    EDIT: And, despite Trump's repeated claims about X Angry Democrats. Mueller was the republican attorney assigned by a Republican Deputy AG who was hired by Trump. That lended what came out of his investigation more weight. Things dug up by the House will be brushed off as being biased for the Democrats.

    @Undead Scottsman

    Not necessarily. All government work of note is copied and transferred to the National Archives, including classified or confidential documents. Normally not right away but usually in a periodic fashion by various agency and department policy.

    That said if I wanted my evidence preserved and was worried someone would destroy it, it’s what I would do. Not necessarily foolproof but it’d circumvent anyone only asking for all of his current evidence.

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    DisrupterDisrupter Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    How does him being there help? He’s no longer mueller superior. He’s useless. So at least make a statement to signal hey this is the Saturday night massacre it’s not hidden

    Disrupter on
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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    The.....courts aren't supposed to be the "inferior" branch of government...are they?

    That doesn't seem right but also I technically never took civics

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    From @MolotovCockatoo

    Ryan Reilly of Huffington Post: DOJ official says ethics officials have yet to examine whether Whitaker has to recuse on anything Mueller related given his prior commentary and role.

    Have yet to, I guess means this will at least get looked it. So what happens if the ethics officials tell him his editorials and comments mean he'd have to recuse like Sessions, and Whitaker say "Naw"?

    I just want to imagine that they do, and he does, because then I can imagine the crying, flailing, temper tantrum that would happen if his brand new AAG also had to recuse himself.

    Viskod on
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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    the new acting AG thinks we should revisit Marbury vs Madison??????

    Man where the fuck does Trump even find these people

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    centraldogmacentraldogma Registered User regular
    They should activate protests. This is the red line.

    When people unite together, they become stronger than the sum of their parts.
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    XaviarXaviar Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Rosenstein should resign in protest if he has any spine or dignity

    if the goal is to leave in protest, you definitely make them fire you. Resigning is largely a symbolic gesture in favor of the POTUS to allow them to save face and be a good guy.

    The point is that Rosenstein isn't getting fired: Trump has no reason to now that he took the investigation away from him. If this is the case, Rosenstein should resign in protest, it would be a signal for us to start the protests.

    I don't get this.

    "If they take the investigation away from Rosenstein, that will be the signal to protest!"

    *take investigation away from Rosenstein*

    "They did it, but not in the exact way that we outlined in chalk. The didn't put their foot across the line, they just reached over it from where they were standing and grabbed the investigation. Please won't someone tell us if that counts?"

    It counts.

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    BremenBremen Registered User regular
    Shouldn't the interim AG automatically recuse himself from any investigation in which the president is involved if he is appointed by that same president?
    Or is he appointed by someone else?

    Trump's stated reason for wanting Sessions gone was because he recused himself from the investigation.

    I'll give you 5 to 1 odds that Trump has a list of potential replacements in front of him and when he interviews them his first question is "If appointed, would you recuse yourself from overseeing the Mueller investigation?"

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